i'm all for vets but taj is not the answer. don't know why you can't get that?
I agree. He is not
the answer. He is
an answer. We need a starting caliber player next to Cousins. Thompson is best as a third big off the bench. He has certain attributes that you want next to Cousins, but he also lacks certain attributes (shotblocking, help defense, high IQ). Gibson is one of the best compliments we can find for Cousins. He plays good post defense, rotates well on defense, protects the rim, decent rebounder (9.1 per36 for his career), has a roleplayer's mentality, is efficient on offense (50% from the floor, 71% from the FT line), and shoots 41% from 16-24ft (and he prefers the right side of the floor which would make room for Cousins in the post).
The only knock on him is his age and his height. He's 29 right now, but he came into the NBA much later than the typical player (at 24 years old). He has a lot less wear and tear on his body (especially since he's been a backup for his entire career). I mentioned a couple months ago in a Gibson thread that Cousins (at 24 years of age) has logged more NBA minutes than Gibson has in his career. I don't think we'll see Gibson fall off in terms of production any time soon.
In regards to his height, people like to say he is 6'8" even though he measured 6'8.5" without shoes which happens to be an inch less than what Cousins measured out (6'9.5" without shoes). If we think Cousins is tall enough to play C, then I think Gibson with his 7'4" wingspan is tall enough and long enough to play PF.
Again, he's a savvy vet who knows how to play the game. It's a bonus that he compliments Cousins so well. I don't know why you can't get that.
good observation. the name on the front of the jersey is either kings or sacramento. cookie 4 u.
Thanks, it didn't seem like you were understanding the differences between them and us so I thought I would spell it out for you. Let me know if you need anymore help!
we need that type of 3 & D type of player and from what i saw in the beginning of the season ben was blossoming into it. how shiny do those players need to be? i don't care how shiny as long as they're effective. championship teams all have em if you didn't notice.
Again, I agree. We need a 3 and D player at SG, but we need one
now. That's all fine that you think Ben is blossoming into that type of player, but again, we need that player now. This isn't the time for sitting around and seeing what our kids develop into. If you want to do that, you run the risk of Cousins leaving. Then you'll be stuck with just your players who finally become 3 and D players. How many championship teams don't have a player of Cousins caliber? It seems like you're more in favor to risk a Cousins departure for the sake of developing our young players. Our only shot at being a true contender is if we have Cousins on this team, so excuse me if I don't follow along with your "logic."
we have a solid role player in thompson. iirc he was playing solid in the beginning of the season. wasn't flashy or 'shiny' but he got the job done. covers 2 positions. add wcs to the mix and we may have a solid rotation.
Again, I agree. Thompson is a good roleplayer, but he is not suited for a starters role. I would prefer my starters to have a higher BBIQ. I think most here would agree that Thompson should be coming off the bench in a third big role. Someone who can come in at PF or C (depending on foul trouble). With that in mind and the fact that we are trying to make this team the best team we can immediately, we need to find an upgrade at PF to slide Thompson into that third big role. If we get the first pick in the draft and get Towns, yeah I'm a little more favorable in terms of plugging him right away. He's the first pick in the draft. He better be good enough to compete right away. However, I don't see the logic in risking if our rookie will be able to give us valuable minutes at starting PF or as the third big off the bench. If our rookie is having to log 25-28 mpg, there's a lot riding on him to deliver (not to mention we would still be playing Thompson as a starter). McLemore had a similar load of minutes his rookie year, and he was hurting our team greatly.
Why don't we go out and sure up our big man rotation with another starting level veteran and solidify our rotation once and for all? That way we're not banking on a rookie coming in and giving us productive minutes in a year we need to be as competitive as possible. Seems like an unnecessary risk if you ask me.
If our rookie shows very well early in the season, we can think about trading Thompson (or even Gibson depending on how good our rookie looks). In this scenario, you eliminated the risk by having your big man rotation made of all vets who would flourish in their roles, but you also have the ability to trade one of them down the line if the rookie shows well (giving you a valuable player at another position or cap space). With the cap jumping up drastically in the following year, I think Gibson's and Thompson's contracts will look extremely attractive to teams so I'm not worried about being unable to move one of them.
your treating him as such bc someone doesn't agree that he shouldn't be acquired? there is some dead weight in landry and if we can move him for an expiring or a unused prospect on a team that is looking for a vet to push into the playoffs then great. no need to give up so much to get taj. he's going to want to start and won't be a happy camper as a bench player.
I'm not sure why you think we're giving up so much. I really don't. It's basically McLemore and a bad contract for Gibson. The removal of the protection is just for insurance purposes for Chiacgo. We're likely to lose that pick anyways next year (since I expect us to be competitive next year) so it really is not much value going out on our side at all.
Why would Gibson be coming off the bench? For all the reasons I gave earlier, it makes no sense why he would be coming off the bench. He's a better and smarter player than Thompson. He would be a great roleplayer to have next to Cousins.
lol it's their livelihood, of course they're going to practice. they're certainly going to get valuable crunch time situations practicing on their own. oh i could imagine that. it could be that one mistake that happens in a crunch time situation that elevates their game... why? because of that game time experience.
I think you're misunderstanding me. Playing time is a good way to improve as a player, but to flat out suggest that players only get better if they get playing time is asinine. Again, in my scenario, Cauley-Stein would still be getting around 15 MPG his first year on the team. That's more than enough. Gobert averaged 9 MPG in 45 games last year for Utah and look at where he is now. Cauley-Stein would be getting more minutes per game than him in this scenario. Who's to say a similar thing can't happen to Cauley-Stein?
what's at stake? throw em out there and let them get that experience. won't hurt if we have some stability in the organization to help develop them.
What's at stake? I thought this was common knowledge, no? What is at stake is the possible departure of Cousins. He's obviously not been happy with how this season has gone. I'm not sure he can take another one like it. We need to do everything in our power to be competitive this year to gain his trust back and persuade him to stay here when his contract expires.
As important as McLemore and Cauley-Stein are to you, Cousins will always be my first priority. Our championship hopes will always lie with him.
all the great teams have one thing in common. leadership. have the kings had that since tibco took over? we may have in malone but we'll never know because the power cord was prematurely yanked out. the great teams have a plan on how to build a roster and execute it. so far i see no leadership in the front office. please don't give me the vlade & george karl that was inserted last minute. there are simply too many cooks in the kitchen.
vivek wants to run video game tactics and acquire players similar to the ones from his former team
gerbil wants to acquire more 2nd rounders, trade exceptions, acquire former denver/gsw players, crunch analytics #s and agree to whatever vivek has cooked up
mully wants nellie ball and someone to compete in 3 point contests in training camp
karl/vlade too early to determine what they want.
this has caused inconsistency, instability and distrust from the players. do you agree this may have an effect on the players?
I don't see how this has anything to do with my post since I'm basically acting as the GM in this scenario, but yeah I agree with most of this...
i'm all for vets and how they change the culture of the team. get this straight, i don't agree with the proposed offer for taj. it's too much imo.
McLemore & a bad contract in Landry for Gibson seems pretty fair to me... The pick will most likely go to Chicago next year anyways.
he's going to want to start,
Good, because he will be out starter. He's good enough and has earned it. Being stuck behind prime Boozer and Gasol was just unlucky for him.
will be expiring soon and want a bigger contract.
He will have two more years on his deal. I wouldn't call that soon. And he'll expire when Rudy's deal is up (if he doesn't take the player option) giving us more money to try and bring Gay back if that's the direction we would like to take.
Why do you assume he would want a bigger contract? He's going to be 32 when his contact expires. I find it hard to believe that he will have much leverage to request a bigger deal. If you want to play semantics though, his next deal might be larger simply because the cap is expected to go up 25 mil, but in terms of % of the cap, his deal won't go up.
if we're lucky, we might move him for assets prior to that instead of collecting 2nd rders/trade exception. do i roll the dice when examining that? no, sorry, not when we have ben still on a rookie deal and saw some glimpses of what he could be under some stable coaching.
I'm not sure why we have to trade Gibson before his deal is up. We can simply use the cap space on another player or resign him. We're not taking him in with the intention of flipping him to another team. We're taking him to make our team a better team.
I find it ironic that you're not willing to "roll the dice" after seeing glimpses of what Ben can do, but that you are willing to "roll the dice" on trying to do everything in our power to keep Cousins happy and in Sacramento. He should be our priority.