Who Goes? Who Stays?
- Thread starter Kingster
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If you've actually watched him play since leaving us you'd find that he can be a pretty good player. Now you can maybe debate his effort, whether he only plays hard in contract years, but he's certainly a pretty decent center. Also, he had zero ties to the team at the time (we traded him after the organization kinda said he and JT were our bigs of the future) and was rooting for his hometown to get a team. We also know he's not the kind of person who will just keep his mouth shut about things.
I wouldn't mind trying out Hawes and Cousins together, but that's just me. Sure it ain't a perfect fit, and we'd probably be pretty bad defensively... but somehow I get the feeling we're never getting any real good defensive players anyway.
I wouldn't mind trying out Hawes and Cousins together, but that's just me. Sure it ain't a perfect fit, and we'd probably be pretty bad defensively... but somehow I get the feeling we're never getting any real good defensive players anyway.
Guys there is no way in hell Spencer Hawes plays for the Sacramento Kings while this ownership is in charge of the franchise.
This is the guy that was very outspoken about wanting the Kings to move to Seattle and even rocked up in a Sonics jersey to the St. Regis hotel in NY when the NBA was deciding our faith last year. It would be a monstrous public relations **** up by the ownership group if they got this guy. He is public enemy #1 in Sacramento and rightly so!
This is the guy that was very outspoken about wanting the Kings to move to Seattle and even rocked up in a Sonics jersey to the St. Regis hotel in NY when the NBA was deciding our faith last year. It would be a monstrous public relations **** up by the ownership group if they got this guy. He is public enemy #1 in Sacramento and rightly so!
I don't agree with this. I think John Henson, Ed Davis, and Jordan Hill are all attainable for us this offseason.
If Gay opts out (signs for less or leaves) or we let Thomas go, our payroll will be low enough to offer the MLE without going over the tax level. Hill and Davis are both good candidates for that MLE contract.
As far as getting John Henson, many Bucks fans seem to be willing to move Henson pretty effortlessly. Their logic is that Sanders and Henson don't compliment one another, so one of them has to be moved. Since Sanders value is at an all time low right now, they don't see themselves being able to get a fair return in any deal that sends out Sanders. However, Henson doesn't have that problem, so there goal is to move Henson, surround the team with more complimentary pieces, and hope Sanders returns to form.
If we were to trade back and pick up a mid first rounder and Henson for the 7th pick, I think that would be a good deal for us to make. I'm not too excited about the players I think will be available at #7, so why not pick up our shotblocker and a mid first rounder in the meantime? The Bucks don't have a mid first rounder which means a third team would have to be included to make the deal work.
SAC In:
Henson
17th pick
Sac Out:
7th pick
Terry (or Landry if we can swing it)
MIL In:
14th pick
MIL Out:
Henson
PHO In:
7th pick
Terry (or Landry if we can swing it)
PHO Out:
14th pick
17th pick
If we are able to dump Landry, pick up a young, athletic shotblocker who can spread the floor, and still have a mid first round pick, I would be ecstatic.
If Gay opts out (signs for less or leaves) or we let Thomas go, our payroll will be low enough to offer the MLE without going over the tax level. Hill and Davis are both good candidates for that MLE contract.
As far as getting John Henson, many Bucks fans seem to be willing to move Henson pretty effortlessly. Their logic is that Sanders and Henson don't compliment one another, so one of them has to be moved. Since Sanders value is at an all time low right now, they don't see themselves being able to get a fair return in any deal that sends out Sanders. However, Henson doesn't have that problem, so there goal is to move Henson, surround the team with more complimentary pieces, and hope Sanders returns to form.
If we were to trade back and pick up a mid first rounder and Henson for the 7th pick, I think that would be a good deal for us to make. I'm not too excited about the players I think will be available at #7, so why not pick up our shotblocker and a mid first rounder in the meantime? The Bucks don't have a mid first rounder which means a third team would have to be included to make the deal work.
SAC In:
Henson
17th pick
Sac Out:
7th pick
Terry (or Landry if we can swing it)
MIL In:
14th pick
MIL Out:
Henson
PHO In:
7th pick
Terry (or Landry if we can swing it)
PHO Out:
14th pick
17th pick
If we are able to dump Landry, pick up a young, athletic shotblocker who can spread the floor, and still have a mid first round pick, I would be ecstatic.
Actually, if the T-Wolves called and offered us Kevin Love, I would probably just as soon hang up on them or, if not that, try to get them to offer us Dieng instead. If we want to talk about terrible frontcourt fits next to Cuz, K-Love would probably be the absolute worst. Sure he can hit threes but he also gobbles up shots, is (putting this charitably) not that good at defense, and doesn't really do much to compensate for any of Demarcus's shortcomings (though at this point, Cuz has improved enough on the defensive end to alleviate some of that concern).
I'm sure that frontcourt would do wonders in the video games but, in reality, that combo has disaster written all over it.
I'm sure that frontcourt would do wonders in the video games but, in reality, that combo has disaster written all over it.
Milwaukee fans changed their stance on Henson not because of inability of Sanders and Henson to play effectively together, but because Henson sucked this past season. Sanders still played elite defense, though rebounding and offensive efficiency really suffered, Henson's production has fallen off a cliff, particularly defensively.
I'm not saying it would be the right move, but look out for Pau Gasol this offseason. Fits a lot of criteria the Kings FO are looking for. Proven veteran, NBA champion, etc. Probably underrated as a defender, not to say he's good by any means, but he isn't quite as awful as he's made out to be. Quietly averaged 17 and 10 (3 ast and 1.5 BLK) of course, he was the best option on a terrible Lakers team, but OFFENSIVELY he and Cousins could be special. Defense would still be an issue, but the Kings would have a lot of size inside.
Plus Cousins has said on numerous occasions that Gasol was one of his favorite big men. A guy he modeled his game after, etc. Would keep Pau in California, if that means anything to him. PDA said they would/could consult Cousins on FA targets. I'd think Gasol would be a guy he'd like to play with.
Just a hunch here that the Kings will express interest.
Plus Cousins has said on numerous occasions that Gasol was one of his favorite big men. A guy he modeled his game after, etc. Would keep Pau in California, if that means anything to him. PDA said they would/could consult Cousins on FA targets. I'd think Gasol would be a guy he'd like to play with.
Just a hunch here that the Kings will express interest.
So are you saying that you don't want Henson? There is such a thing as the sophomore slump, and I'm not even sure I would consider it much of a slump. A 23 year old player who is averaging 54% FG, 54% FT, 15.1 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 2.2 APG, 0.8 SPG, 2.3 BPG, 2.2 TOPG, 3.6 FPG per 36 minutes is nothing to scoff at.
The only thing that bothers me is his weight/strength, but it's becoming increasingly difficult to find an available player who checks off everything on our list of prerequisites.
The only thing that bothers me is his weight/strength, but it's becoming increasingly difficult to find an available player who checks off everything on our list of prerequisites.
Last year he got to play 3 positions from SF to C, and while at two of them he looked pretty bad, as a PF he was good for a rookie with lacking weight (especially on D). This year he managed to play better at C offensively, while his defense was equally bad at both positions. I don't have per month splits, and maybe he was good in November, but effort went down, when it became clear Bucks are going for #1, but his overall play this season is not encouraging. Maybe the league just figured him out. I would certainly not use #7 in a trade, where Henson is the main prize.
I think JT stays. He is approaching his peak years and is the most consistent player the Kings have had in a long time. He defends well other tall PF and is a really good put-back shooter down low. Are there better FA prospects out there? Maybe but ...... can the Kings realistically get them?
Rudy stays to see if he and Cuz really become the leaders and can consistently dominate.
IT stays and becomes candidate for 6th Man leading a much better bench crew, which the Kings have to fill with key roll players.
The McRookies stay.
Not sure they can keep both Evans and Acy, a 10 yr vs. 2 yr. Tough call tho' Acy better holds his own on offense.
Never did see Willie play so no idea there. If Cunningham can show he is consistent 3-pt scorer and above average defender, he could stay. Likely will see him, Acy and the McRookies in summer league.
Rudy stays to see if he and Cuz really become the leaders and can consistently dominate.
IT stays and becomes candidate for 6th Man leading a much better bench crew, which the Kings have to fill with key roll players.
The McRookies stay.
Not sure they can keep both Evans and Acy, a 10 yr vs. 2 yr. Tough call tho' Acy better holds his own on offense.
Never did see Willie play so no idea there. If Cunningham can show he is consistent 3-pt scorer and above average defender, he could stay. Likely will see him, Acy and the McRookies in summer league.
Im assuming cruzdude is insinuating that Mccallum will start. I support the idea. He defends well, hits open shots, handles the ball well and can even create his own shots. I really like the idea of retaining Thomas and having him as super 6th man and i think that he and Mccallum are a dynamic duo to have on the floor together in spurts. However, with thomas' s new price tag I can't help but feel like somethings got to give. I expect Thomas to be a part of some kind of sign and trade deal. I don't think that we can expect to greatly improve this team if our intention is to retain all of our 3 best players.
We're still greatly In need of more defensive personnel and I think that IT and JT are our best assets to use In pursuing said personnel.
We're still greatly In need of more defensive personnel and I think that IT and JT are our best assets to use In pursuing said personnel.
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I don't know if I would give Gay more than 11mill per year. The Raptors played .650 ball after trading him and there assists per game went up 5 as a team. That's staggering I'd be scared to bet that he will keep shooting 51% and not be so ISO driven.
We already have DMC who is ball dominate and our second ball dominate player has to be a playmaker for his teammates. If Gay is offered 12mill+ by a team like the Mavs or Charlotte I'd let him go and get Ariza who is an elite scorer and defender.
We already have DMC who is ball dominate and our second ball dominate player has to be a playmaker for his teammates. If Gay is offered 12mill+ by a team like the Mavs or Charlotte I'd let him go and get Ariza who is an elite scorer and defender.
I don't know that we need a new coach. I personally think Malone did a very very poor job this season, but I'm not going to call for his head just for underperforming for one season. I'm just not sure that he can ever get a team without defensive players to become an elite team, because his strength is on coaching the defensive end. I'm just upset that a whole bunch of other teams who IMO weren't any better than we were this time last season made huge strides this year while we essentially stayed put.
