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I'm reading The Breakers Series (books 1-3) by Edward W. Robinson. I've been looking for some new authors, and stumbled upon this in the "free" section of books for my Nook. I'm rapidly becoming addicted to eBooks and this series is one of the best I've come across (especially being free ;) ).

In the Breakers series, humanity faces not one apocalypse, but two: first a lethal pandemic, then a war against those who made the virus. This collection includes the first three books and is over 1000 pages (350,000 words) of post-apocalyptic survival.

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-breakers-series-edward-w-robertson/1116251161?type=eBook
I miss VF.

Was going through this thread again to find some recommendations and if anyone is interested, the first 3 books of the series are free right now on Amazon for Kindle (or the Kindle app on my iPad!). I haven't read any of them yet, but just got the first 3 to start sometime soon.

Amazon.com: The Breakers Series: Books 1-3 eBook : Robertson, Edward W.: Kindle Store
 

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I have a policy now to only start reading a series once it's completed. There is too much to read to have re-read a few books every half decade while keeping up with a longer series.
As to Erikson's Malazan I wasn't following this practice and the last book I read was the 8th. (Toll the Hounds) (Phenomenal book by the way, the last few hundred pages are outstanding)

The series is now complete so I'll be starting from Book one sometime later this year. I've been told that the story concludes satisfactorily, so I doubt I'll change my tune on what I'm about to say next.

At the moment, I'd say this is 1A or 1B as the best epic fantasy series of all time.
It's absolutely incredible. It's characters are utterly fascinating, the plot incredibly complex, the intrigue and mystery unrivaled.
I just reserved book 1 of this series on the Libby app for reading later as well. Thanks!
 

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Heaven's River by Dennis Taylor, Book 4 in the Bobiverse series. :)
Hadn't checked in a long time, but this book was available at Amazon for like $5 for the Kindle. Having thoroughly enjoyed the first 3, I plunked down for this one and found it entertaining as well. This series is definitely recommended (starting with book 1: We are Legion (We are Bob)).
 

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Looks like I forgot to include Bloodless by Preston and Child late last year in this list. It was quite the departure from some of their other works and it is fascinating to see how they weave real-life stories into their works of fiction.

I mention this because I just finished their most recent book (the follow up to Bloodless) titled The Cabinet of Dr. Leng. The part that really gets to me in this book is that it is playing off some aspects of their Pendergast story characters and plots established about 20 books ago - it's like the MCU of enjoyable (not perfect, but generally good) fiction. Bravo. The book ends in a bit of a cliffhanger with the conclusion of the Dr. Leng storyline promised to conclude in the next volume (per the authors in a note in the back of the book apologizing for the cliffhanger ending - that is not something they normally do).

Obviously it's a lot easier to read than the Wheel of Time given I just started it a day and a half ago. :)
 
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I decided to read another of those free monthly Kindle books from Amazon (limited selection each month to choose from) I just stash on my iPad and then select one at random every once in a while to mix things up.

All The Lies They Did Not Tell: The True Story of Satanic Panic in an Italian Community shares the story of numerous families destroyed (forced family/child separations, jail time, public shaming, etc.) due to repeated accusations of pedophelia and satanic ritual by young children in a rural Italian community.

Based on all the evidence it appears that
the medical evidence was misinterpreted and the overeager, young, and mis-trained child psychologist dealing with the local children pressured them into giving confessions to things that never happened. The police generally listened to the prosecution "experts" even with conflicting and questionable testimony.

The book also goes on to explain what happened when the authors went back to talk to some of the parents, children, and others involved. The book is based on tons of source material from those involved (boxes full of court records, interview videos saved from the time, etc.).

Not necessarily the best written work (lots of people to keep track of, some skipping around in the timeline, etc.) but an interesting read, including a relatively brief review of changing societal norms in Italy at the time and how some of those pressures led to the tragedy that is detailed in this book.
 
This thread is seriously making me rethink my stance on reading, and consider investing in a reader (i.e. Kindle), so I can at least use my free credit each month, if nothing else, to try out some of the recommendations that have been made...You might be on to something here, Kings Fam Bam...:p:p:p
 

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This thread is seriously making me rethink my stance on reading, and consider investing in a reader (i.e. Kindle), so I can at least use my free credit each month, if nothing else, to try out some of the recommendations that have been made...You might be on to something here, Kings Fam Bam...:p:p:p
Get a library card (if you don't have one) and download the Libby app for your iPad or whatever (my wife and I just got the Apple 2021 10.2-inch iPad (Wi-Fi, 64GB) for less than $300 a while back just for reading and watching stuff on Netflix/Prime/etc. - works perfect for that). You can borrow electronic books from the local library for free (3 weeks). Also download the Kindle app and get the free Prime book once a month.
 

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This thread is seriously making me rethink my stance on reading, and consider investing in a reader (i.e. Kindle), so I can at least use my free credit each month, if nothing else, to try out some of the recommendations that have been made...You might be on to something here, Kings Fam Bam...:p:p:p
may I suggest trying paperback instead of a Kindle first to see how you feel about reading and then go from there. With paperback you also get to stare into something different than a screen which a lot of us do I'd imagine.
 

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may I suggest trying paperback instead of a Kindle first to see how you feel about reading and then go from there. With paperback you also get to stare into something different than a screen which a lot of us do I'd imagine.
Yeah, hard copies are great if that works for you, but library hours don't always coincide well with work schedules, etc. That's the main reason I like ebooks. Delivered immediately upon availability and easy to return electronically.
 

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Yeah, hard copies are great if that works for you, but library hours don't always coincide well with work schedules, etc. That's the main reason I like ebooks. Delivered immediately upon availability and easy to return electronically.
Libraries are one cheap option sure but if that isn't feasible, there is always Barnes & Noble for a wide selection.
 

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Libraries are one cheap option sure but if that isn't feasible, there is always Barnes & Noble for a wide selection.
My wife and I used to wander through a Borders or Barnes & Noble on some of our "date" nights after going out to dinner. :)

The problem is both of us are fairly voracious readers at times and the cost of buying all the books we wanted to read was astronomical. I ended up curtailing a lot of my reading to just a few select authors for a while because of that.

By using the Libby app (borrowing books from the library electronically) and getting free or cheap ebooks on Amazon it has allowed me to read more books on time frames that work for me and also read works by a lot of authors I never would have before.

I love "real" books, but largely switching to ebooks has been great for me for convenience and cost, if nothing else.
 

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My wife and I used to wander through a Borders or Barnes & Noble on some of our "date" nights after going out to dinner. :)

The problem is both of us are fairly voracious readers at times and the cost of buying all the books we wanted to read was astronomical. I ended up curtailing a lot of my reading to just a few select authors for a while because of that.

By using the Libby app (borrowing books from the library electronically) and getting free or cheap ebooks on Amazon it has allowed me to read more books on time frames that work for me and also read works by a lot of authors I never would have before.

I love "real" books, but largely switching to ebooks has been great for me for convenience and cost, if nothing else.
which goes to show someone like QWERTY that there are multiple options available to begin ones reading journey and doesn't necessarily have to mean quantity but the quality of the reading and what one takes from it. May you continue to prosper and gain knowledge from current and future readings.
 

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The Plague, by Camus, and The Great Mortality, by Kelly. The Camus book is fiction, the Kelly book is non-fiction. Both are about the plague. Both make the covid virus seem like the common cold. The Black Death in the 14th century killed about one-third of the European population. The Camus book, in particular, delves into the psychological states of those under attack by the plague in a small city in Algeria, and one can't help but see some parallels to what we see with the covid situation today.
Going through this list again and decided to check out The Great Mortality. I want to hit a few different books before wading through some long fantasy series again.
 

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Going through this list again and decided to check out The Great Mortality. I want to hit a few different books before wading through some long fantasy series again.
Just finished this tonight. An interesting book that predominantly wades through stories, hypotheticals, and documented accounts of those affected by the Black Plague, generally following a chronological timeline, but jumping around geographically as the plague spread. It discusses various uncertainties regarding deaths, the actual causes of spread and varying symptoms, etc.
 

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I doubt I could like this post any more than I do right now.

I have a policy now to only start reading a series once it's completed. There is too much to read to have re-read a few books every half decade while keeping up with a longer series.
As to Erikson's Malazan I wasn't following this practice and the last book I read was the 8th. (Toll the Hounds) (Phenomenal book by the way, the last few hundred pages are outstanding)

The series is now complete so I'll be starting from Book one sometime later this year. I've been told that the story concludes satisfactorily, so I doubt I'll change my tune on what I'm about to say next.

At the moment, I'd say this is 1A or 1B as the best epic fantasy series of all time.
It's absolutely incredible. It's characters are utterly fascinating, the plot incredibly complex, the intrigue and mystery unrivaled.
If you love the intricacies between Gods and Gods, and Gods and Man, and Man trying to survive the scheming of the Gods, and the pursuit of Man to attain Godhood, and the folly of both Gods and Man, then you'll find this series riveting.
In this story there are no little man, even the very ordinary possess strength of spirit, heart, and courage to rival the greater powers that are encountered.

A couple of warnings.
This is a dark series. People die, dreams are crushed, and sometimes in the most callous of manner a single whim brutally ends a monumental effort to survive.
If you're someone who constantly is rooting for the underdog to win and hate it if even once the underdog fails, then this series isn't for you. This story can be quite brutal and ruthless.

This series is incredibly complex and it's not a series that you can read off and on again between TV shows or dinner and think that you'll be able to comprehend what's going on. The series requires serious time and devotion, and in return it represents what I consider the current apex of epic fantasy literature. With that said, this series is also not remotely boring. I find Tolkien a bit boring and tedious (Yes, yes, I know he started it all so I'll give him his due, don't worry, but there is a reason why no author decided to steal his hobbits...because hobbits are sad little creatures), along with other series such as Williams' Memory, Sorrow, & Thorn (Loved Otherlands though) or J.V. Jones Book of Words.
This story is not in the least boring and is well worth the investment made to read it.

And the biggest word of warning I can give is this: This series is high level reading. And it's high level reading for the reasons I'll outline below.

1.) First the entire 10 book series is a giant jig-saw puzzle. As you read, Erikson will reveal a puzzle piece and it will be up to you, as the reader, to understand how that piece fits into the overall story being woven. He does not hold your hand and guide you through things, explaining every little detail on how the world works or what is happening, which authors do too often these days. He'll have a conversation or event happen between two characters/factions and though you'll understand the words or actions, and acknowledge that something important is being said/done, their meaning won't be entirely clear. Then perhaps 300 pages later or in the next book, or in a few later books, suddenly he'll add some context and you'll have this 'light bulb moment' which will bring that event, that you knew was important, into a whole new light. It's the only series where I literally had all of the previous books in front of me so I could re-read conversations or revisit actions made because finally enough context was given to make those actions relevant.

2.) The story is not linear. The first book takes place at a certain period of time. Then the next book later, though it reveals some odd things. Then another book starts a millennia prior and ties elements to certain aspects taking place during the 'current' period. Then another book will be at a point where you think it's current time, but it is in reality prior to the first book, until certain elements finally reach the 'current' timeline. So all the characters are interwoven into the picture, but not necessarily all in the same timeline. This can be a bit confusing to readers who are used to 1-2-3 straight-line stories. For instance there is something that you see in the 2nd book, that is just strange and weird and just 'out there'. Then in the 5th book you're following a completely different set of characters and as they progress you see the actions which conclude in what was seen in the 2nd book, and of course if you've been paying attention, it all makes sense.

3.) Because the story is not linear, the first book just plops you right into the middle of the action and it's up to you to play catch-up and figure out what is going on, who is who, and why people are doing the things they are doing. For readers who like a story starting off with a young boy and follow that boy getting thrust into a situation until a hero emerges, this is not how this series works. You might run into a player who was at the peak of their power a 1000 years ago and might be there to witness their fall, or watch as two factions clash again in a useless struggle to achieve supremacy.

A good example would be if Lucas had The Empire Strikes Back as the very first movie. And then he filled in details by having a 20 minute movie through the eyes of Grand Moff Tarkin who was commander of the 1st Death Star, so through his eyes you'd see how things played out in regards to the destruction of Alderaan, the death of Obi Wan, ect. And even though he is dead by the time the Empire Strikes Back takes place, you'd know what essentially what happened in the previous movie.


4.) There are a lot of players and factions. Unlike some series where you might have a 1-2 protagonist factions and 1-2 antagonist factions and maybe a neutral faction, this story is incredibly complex. Much of the time you don't have any idea of the motives of half of the players/factions and to assign words such as antagonist or protagonist is usually useless. And there are so many different characters and factions, some with agendas, and some just trying to survive that it can get very complicated.

5.) Finally, it's a ten book series, and each book continues to get bigger. The last 3 books are all over 1100 pages long. (Mass Market Paperback) So it's a huge story.

So, anyway, if what I've just outlined intrigues you and you enjoy the fantasy authors (listed in alphabetical order to avoid bias, though I've enjoyed at least one work from each of these authors) such as Bertin, Brooks, Butcher, Clemens, Coe, Eddings, Farland, Feist, Friedman, Goodkind, Jordan, Martin, McCaffrey, Modesitt, Rawn, Rowley, Sanderson, Stackpole, Weeks, & Weis, then this series should sit sit at pretty much the top of all of these other author's works.

A final word. If you ever read Glen Cook's the Black Company series (and I don't really advise that you do), but if you have ever read it, one of Erikson's primary factions is a company of warriors, so there are some parallels between Cooks Black Company and Erikson's Bridgeburners. So if you even remotely enjoyed Cook, then you'll love Erikson, as Cooks the Black Company I'd rate around a 5.5 out of 10 with Erikson being a 10 out of 10.

For all of you who end up reading this series, all I can say is Enjoy the Ride!
Just finished the first book - Gardens of the Moon - and based on your review I'm hoping the next ones get a bit better in several ways. If not, I doubt I'll read them all. Which is a shame with what he's imagined and put to "ink" so far. He's not a bad writer, and the story and characters (for the most part) are at least potentially interesting.

My frustration with this book is with parts 1-3 of your list. There is very little worldbuilding, backstory, or similar in this book. Characters, storylines, abilities, settings, and the like appear almost at random. I wouldn't say I need handholding, but some kind of basic framework to build on would be appreciated. I read fiction for entertainment. I find it hard to be entertained when the book consistently throws randomness at you and there are no established boundaries or guidelines to fit things together. There's no cohesiveness or sense of continuity in what may happen next. I don't want to have to have "all of the previous books in front of me so I could re-read conversations or revisit actions made because finally enough context was given to make those actions relevant" - that's intentionally making reading frustrating instead of enjoyable (not what I would certainly classify as "good writing"). And if that frustration level exceeds the benefits of reading the book(s), why continue?

And I get that your post I'm quoting is a warning about the type of book it is and my post is that what you describe is what I find frustrating about it so far. Believe me, the point is not lost. I'm going to try at least another 1-2 books to see if it is worth finishing. Having plowed through a lot of good epic sci-fi and fantasy series, this should be right up my alley. But the lack of a framework to hang everything on means that the author just throws stuff at you and making a coherent story out of all of it is, again, frustrating. As such, I find myself really not caring much about the characters. It's like a poorly made movie. You can have great ideas but if you can't get the audience emotionally invested, it falls flat.
 
Just finished the first book - Gardens of the Moon - and based on your review I'm hoping the next ones get a bit better in several ways. If not, I doubt I'll read them all. Which is a shame with what he's imagined and put to "ink" so far. He's not a bad writer, and the story and characters (for the most part) are at least potentially interesting.

My frustration with this book is with parts 1-3 of your list. There is very little worldbuilding, backstory, or similar in this book. Characters, storylines, abilities, settings, and the like appear almost at random. I wouldn't say I need handholding, but some kind of basic framework to build on would be appreciated. I read fiction for entertainment. I find it hard to be entertained when the book consistently throws randomness at you and there are no established boundaries or guidelines to fit things together. There's no cohesiveness or sense of continuity in what may happen next. I don't want to have to have "all of the previous books in front of me so I could re-read conversations or revisit actions made because finally enough context was given to make those actions relevant" - that's intentionally making reading frustrating instead of enjoyable (not what I would certainly classify as "good writing"). And if that frustration level exceeds the benefits of reading the book(s), why continue?

And I get that your post I'm quoting is a warning about the type of book it is and my post is that what you describe is what I find frustrating about it so far. Believe me, the point is not lost. I'm going to try at least another 1-2 books to see if it is worth finishing. Having plowed through a lot of good epic sci-fi and fantasy series, this should be right up my alley. But the lack of a framework to hang everything on means that the author just throws stuff at you and making a coherent story out of all of it is, again, frustrating. As such, I find myself really not caring much about the characters. It's like a poorly made movie. You can have great ideas but if you can't get the audience emotionally invested, it falls flat.
I tried the Malazan books a long time ago and just could never get into them; the way he just plops you right into the world and expect you to figure out everything yourself just got on my nerves.

If I want a bit of grimdark fantasy, I prefer Joe Abercrombie or Mark Lawrence. Highly recommend if never read those before.

My current reading list:

Foreigner by CJ Cherryh-Always wanted to read this series
James Lee Burke's Robicheaux series
Rereading Shogun by James Clavell.
C.J, Box's newest Joe Pickett novel(Great tv show based on the books as an FYI also).
 

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Rereading Shogun by James Clavell.
I've got the whole set up on my shelf. The hardest one to find at the time was Whirlwind. Couldn't find a paperback version anywhere for some reason so I had to get a used hard copy of that one. o_O

IIRC, that was the weakest of the series anyways.
 

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I just finished Sanderson's Warbreaker.
After reading the Mode Quartet by Anthony (garbage), this was just the book I needed to enjoy fantasy literature again.
For those of you who enjoy Fantasy literature trilogy's, Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy is one of the best ones out there.

Warbreaker is a stand-alone book, and it turned out to be an excellent one. His other stand-alone, Elantris, wasn't very good.

Warbreaker was much, much better, and it would definitely be a book I'd recommend to someone who just wanted a single stand-alone fantasy book to read, to see if it was a genre that they might like.
By and large, the fantasy genre isn't full of great stand-alone fantasy novels. Most fantasy authors seem to be unable to limit themselves to a single book when they have a great concept or great characters. After just finishing it, Warbreaker is going to be one of my top stand-alone fantasy recommendations going forward.
Thanks for the recommendation. After plowing through Wheel of Time, Warbreaker was just like you said - something good to read, the right amount of characters, interesting world/environment, a very different set of fantasy-type skills than I have seen before, some good humor mixed in, and a relatively easy read. It is enjoyable but not deep/epic fantasy.
 

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I hope your friend enjoys the series.

I just finished Sanderson's Warbreaker.
After reading the Mode Quartet by Anthony (garbage), this was just the book I needed to enjoy fantasy literature again.
For those of you who enjoy Fantasy literature trilogy's, Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy is one of the best ones out there.

Warbreaker is a stand-alone book, and it turned out to be an excellent one. His other stand-alone, Elantris, wasn't very good.

Warbreaker was much, much better, and it would definitely be a book I'd recommend to someone who just wanted a single stand-alone fantasy book to read, to see if it was a genre that they might like.
By and large, the fantasy genre isn't full of great stand-alone fantasy novels. Most fantasy authors seem to be unable to limit themselves to a single book when they have a great concept or great characters. After just finishing it, Warbreaker is going to be one of my top stand-alone fantasy recommendations going forward.

Other recommended fantasy stand-alone's would be: Stackpole's Talion: Revenant, Stackpoles's Once a Hero, and Piers Anthony's Killobyte (Only Anthony book I've really enjoyed)

I've decided I'm going to begin reading Erickson's Malazan series, mostly because I saw Jalfa's post. My initial plan was to read all the Wheel of Time books first, then followed by Malazan, but writing the review here made me want to read Malazan first, so that's what I'm going to do.

So up next: Garden's of the Moon (Which, while great, is oddly and debatably the worst of the Malazan books, just like Eye of the World is debatably the worst of Jordan's Wheel of Time. (The last hundred pages or so of Eye of the World is really rushed and hectic...which is very counter to the rest of the 14,000+ pages of the story)
Sanderson's apparently got another book or two set in the world of Warbreaker on the back burner. Also, like half the characters from this book play big roles in his bigger, more famous epic fantasy series.
 

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I tried the Malazan books a long time ago and just could never get into them; the way he just plops you right into the world and expect you to figure out everything yourself just got on my nerves.

If I want a bit of grimdark fantasy, I prefer Joe Abercrombie or Mark Lawrence. Highly recommend if never read those before.
Yeah, I started book 2 of the Mazalan series and just stopped reading after getting about 5-10% in. The characters in this book, so far, have no relation at all to the characters in the first book that I can tell. In addition to the above, or maybe because of it, I just don't care about any of the characters much, from either book. I don't care what happens to them. The plot isn't tying them together much and it seems like reading this series is just so much more effort than it needs to be to enjoy what the author is trying to share. Forget it.
 

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Just finished The Starless Crown (MoonFall Book 1) by James Rollins. I've read at least 90% of his stuff just because he typically writes a decent action yarn with some sci-fi/fantasy/mild horror elements mixed in. Not the best books ever, but entertaining and pretty easy to read.

This is (apparently?) his first real attempt at a fantasy series, and it is a mixed bag so far. He's got some interesting characters developing and his world-building isn't bad, but some of the characters seem a bit shoehorned into the story. He has an amalgam of some steampunk-type elements thrown in with knights in armor and fantasy creatures with some telepathy and mysterious relics left from the ancient "gods" - while this sounds like a cool mixture, it doesn't seem to work quite as well in execution, especially with the flying balloon/ships that don't seem to fit into a coherent "world" given everything else he's got in it (some of the action sequences in particular seem a bit contrived in this aspect - with the ships flying through clouds and mists, to the point where it's like ships in dense fog on the ocean, but yet they can see some things far away due to a lucky "break" in the clouds - over and over again). And there are lots of examples where he uses words that are intentional derivations of common words (but don't need to be - for instance "brimstan" instead of "brimstone", etc.). It's like he's almost trying too hard at some of these writing elements, but it ends up just making it a bit harder to read instead.

It is also a bit on the long side - he could have shortened this up a bit without too much of an issue.

My biggest glaring "huh?" on his story is a big part of his premise or series plotline - the "cause" of the "MoonFall" bit doesn't seem to be a reason to actually cause it at all (the physics of it).

The best description I can come up with is that it feels like fantasy as written by a non-fantasy/action writer (which it is), or an action book set in a high-fantasy "lite" setting. For much of the book, it works fine. But there shouldn't be quite as much book. This isn't Donaldson or Tolkien, with their incredibly rich, detailed worlds that need more exposition and description. Trim it a bit and keep to your action writing strengths.

While a lot of the above seems like I didn't enjoy the book, I actually did. These are just some things that stood out as being a bit off. I'll read the next one when it's finished. I think with the first book out of the way the next one shouldn't need to be as long to continue the story. Hopefully some of these things get explained better or hit their groove in the overall story.
Just finished book 2 - The Cradle of Ice - and I found it better than the first. Still a few of the flaws mentioned above in this one as well, but it seems to do a better job of molding everything together a bit better. Another long read, but it didn't feel as long as the first. The story kept moving a bit better and there were more character threads woven throughout to keep track of. Nothing too epic or deep, but pretty entertaining overall. Looking forward to the next book when released.
 

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Sanderson's apparently got another book or two set in the world of Warbreaker on the back burner. Also, like half the characters from this book play big roles in his bigger, more famous epic fantasy series.
I've got a book on hold I'm waiting for, but I think I'll try some of these others as well from this series (pasted here for ease of finding later):

Where do I start? | Brandon Sanderson

RECOMMENDED READING ORDER FOR COSMERE BOOKS
I recommended reading the books in sequential order rather than trying to dive into the second book in a series without having read the first book. That said, it really doesn’t matter which Cosmere series you start with, which means any of these books are good starting points:

There are tidbits in each of the books that inform the other books, but you don’t have to notice these things to enjoy the story by itself. Finding these easter eggs is one of the things that makes re-reading the books so much fun.

The Alloy of Law is an okay jumping in spot for the Cosmere, but keep in mind that this book has spoilers for the original Mistborn trilogy.
 

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Just finished Elantris, and found it different and enjoyable. There were a few bits and pieces I guessed as the book progressed, but some threads remained unsolved at conclusion. Moves along at a good pace and has some interesting ideas/approaches to a story.
Warbreaker is a stand-alone book, and it turned out to be an excellent one. His other stand-alone, Elantris, wasn't very good.

Other recommended fantasy stand-alone's would be: Stackpole's Talion: Revenant, Stackpoles's Once a Hero, and Piers Anthony's Killobyte (Only Anthony book I've really enjoyed)
I don't know that I agree with the bolded, as they are just different. I enjoyed both in different ways.

Left the other book recommendations in here to find later.
 
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I'm currently reading through The Chaos Machine: The Inside Story of How Social Media Rewired Our Minds and Our World, and there are some interesting themes running throughout that can relate to the "heavy" moderation here at KF. A sentence which really struck me when discussing the unmoderated social media platforms (in this case, Facebook, from a few years back) is this:

"We don't completely blame Facebook. The germs are ours, but Facebook is the wind, you know?"

And I know a couple of times in the past I haven't been the best at keeping my germs to myself, so to speak. We're all human.

Anyways, I'm maybe halfway through and while the book took a bit to get moving it is a fascinating read on the origin of the Silicon Valley mindset, the nature and drive of social media companies, the massive failures they have been to civilized society in certain ways (including studies and examples of massacres in places like Myanmar and Sri Lanka), fostering political extremism, and the damage done to people, groups, and cooperation due to the algorithms used to generate more use of the applications/longer viewing to generate more ad $$$. Some of the most interesting tidbits are direct correlations between significantly higher than average social media use and instances of crime against disadvantaged or politically opposed groups - immediate changes in attack/crime rates were noted during times of local social media inaccessibility for various reasons. Also, the changes observed in group behavior when a small portion of misinformation superspreaders are removed from the equation. There's also discussion on social media misinformation/disinformation and impacts on societal attitudes, elections, etc.

Highly recommended.
 
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kingsboi

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I'm currently reading through The Chaos Machine: The Inside Story of How Social Media Rewired Our Minds and Our World, and there are some interesting themes running throughout that can relate to the "heavy" moderation here at KF. A sentence which really struck me when discussing the unmoderated social media platforms (in this case, Facebook, from a few years back) is this:

"We don't completely blame Facebook. The germs are ours, but Facebook is the wind, you know?"

And I know a couple of times in the past I haven't been the best at keeping my germs to myself, so to speak. We're all human.

Anyways, I'm maybe halfway through and while the book took a bit to get moving it is a fascinating read on the origin of the Silicon Valley mindset, the nature and drive of social media companies, the massive failures they have been to civilized society in certain ways (including studies and examples of massacres in places like Myanmar and Sri Lanka), fostering political extremism, and the damage done to people, groups, and cooperation due to the algorithms used to generate more use of the applications/longer viewing to generate more ad $$$. Some of the most interesting tidbits are direct correlations between significantly higher than average social media use and instances of crime against disadvantaged or politically opposed groups - immediate changes in attack/crime rates were noted during times of local social media inaccessibility for various reasons. Also, the changes observed in group behavior when a small portion of misinformation superspreaders are removed from the equation. There's also discussion on social media misinformation/disinformation and impacts on societal attitudes, elections, etc.

Highly recommended.
I read a book that talked about similar topics, I don't recall what book it was. With that said, are you a social media user? If so, which platforms do you use?
 

Warhawk

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I read a book that talked about similar topics, I don't recall what book it was. With that said, are you a social media user? If so, which platforms do you use?
I use Twitter mainly to follow news and sports (particularly my favorite teams) but don't "contribute" there much.

I do use Facebook - predominantly to keep up with family/friends and post family/vacation photos, etc.

I have a few other accounts here and there but don't use any of them currently.
 

kingsboi

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I use Twitter mainly to follow news and sports (particularly my favorite teams) but don't "contribute" there much.

I do use Facebook - predominantly to keep up with family/friends and post family/vacation photos, etc.

I have a few other accounts here and there but don't use any of them currently.
does Facebook flood your feed with ads?