Kings trade rumor SZN 2023-2024 edition!
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Fontecchio is a more "athletic" version of Sasha but he lacks in rebounding skills and I think coming from the bench for 12-15 minutes won't do the job for him along with the second unit. As a starter in Utah he has the chance to find open looks next to Lauri but last season as 9th 10th option he was barely any productive at all. Like Sasha he comes from Europe where he was a leader (he still is in his national team, had an amazing World Cup and Eurobasket before that) but when playing limited minutes he can't contribute that much. I think he will end up (getting more money as well) in one of the teams that will have him as a starter (Pistons, Wizards, Hornets especially if several players will depart from those teams).
Btw this Utah method of having one star playing 35+ minutes (Lauri) and 9 other players having 22+ in almost every match, seems to have turned things around for them after a rough start in the season. It's like they have 2 equal lineups with the ones coming from the bench sometimes playing even more time. Plus they've got 2 great rookies that barely had the chance to get some playing time this season.
Btw this Utah method of having one star playing 35+ minutes (Lauri) and 9 other players having 22+ in almost every match, seems to have turned things around for them after a rough start in the season. It's like they have 2 equal lineups with the ones coming from the bench sometimes playing even more time. Plus they've got 2 great rookies that barely had the chance to get some playing time this season.
There's buzz today about Cleveland moving Isaac Okoro at the deadline to avoid paying luxury tax next season (he's set to be a restricted free agent this summer). He's a slightly under the radar guy who could be a good fit for us. His numbers won't wow you but he's improved as a shooter and he'd give us another wing defender who can get minutes at the SG or SF position depending on how Monte wants to build the roster going forward.
I'd be very very in on Okoro.
Was a huge fan of him coming out of school (but I have a real soft spot for his archetype) and think developed into a pretty solid 3&D wing that can flex all the way down to the 4 because of his strength. Really is the perfect sort of guy to add to this core. And still just 23, so maybe can unlock a bit more of his game.
CLE defense is 2.9 points better with him on the floor this year. With a near even minutes split, which is pretty damn impressive considering the defensive talent on that squad. (2.9 points worse on O, but who's counting?).
Was a huge fan of him coming out of school (but I have a real soft spot for his archetype) and think developed into a pretty solid 3&D wing that can flex all the way down to the 4 because of his strength. Really is the perfect sort of guy to add to this core. And still just 23, so maybe can unlock a bit more of his game.
CLE defense is 2.9 points better with him on the floor this year. With a near even minutes split, which is pretty damn impressive considering the defensive talent on that squad. (2.9 points worse on O, but who's counting?).
The Cavs are in an interesting spot. They have two bigs who can’t space the floor but are dominant on defense and two guards who are at their best when only one of them is on the court (Fox and Hali part 2?). Then they have a defensive ace in Dean Wade who doesn’t play enough with Mobley back. Then there is Okoro who is coming around. If they don’t make the east finals, does D Mitch ask for a trade? The East Coast is calling his name if you believe the pundits. Can they maximize both Dmitch and Garland? I’d say no. They have too much overlap, curious how they sort that all out. I’d be in on Okoro or Dean Wade if he ever became available
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I don’t get how DDR is a hard pass but Thybull who’s barely even proven to be a rotation player is a player to give up a pick for
Derozan is a hooper, he can operate from all 3 levels, gets to the line at an elite level. He’s the kind of player who can elevate the offense from 14th to top 5. He expires so would still maintain the teams flexibility. If the Kings can get him for a pick and salary filler, move HB to the 2nd unit, they have to at least consider it.
Derozan is a hooper, he can operate from all 3 levels, gets to the line at an elite level. He’s the kind of player who can elevate the offense from 14th to top 5. He expires so would still maintain the teams flexibility. If the Kings can get him for a pick and salary filler, move HB to the 2nd unit, they have to at least consider it.
maybe KVon plus filler + seconds does it. Kevin is worth a first round pick by himself and that second from the Blazers in ‘25 will likely be a good one. I’d only do it if I knew I could re-sign him for 3 years. Otherwise we just gave away a good young player for a rental. Seems like the Lakers make more sense. They could prob give up a a young guy or two and match salary.
DeRozan is a very very good player but there are reasons (age, contract size, skill set) why Thybulle might be a better fit. Yes DeMar is an elite scorer and Thybulle barely scores the ball at all but he has been voted 2nd team All-Defense twice in 4 years. He's as close to elite defensively as we're likely to find on the trade market. I'm not sure either guy is exactly who we need, but I can see both of them helping us for different reasons.
Isn't it more important what they bring more to what we have ?!
As i read (i don't have enough personal opinion on it) Thybulle is total crap as A and great in D , what more he will bring then Kesslar Edwards then experience and bigger contract ? In Kessler we have great D with 0 attack , bright future and lower contract ... Other question is that Coach seem like someone who will not give great amout of time to just a good defender ...
The other is bit more difficults - but what more will give DeRozen then Lyles ... Yes here is obvious - 10 points ave more (maybe even more) but he will demend also 10-15 minutes more, plus the greatest minus - his contract expensive and short ... On the other hand we have a hard worker who does not complain about minutes with less money and longer contract ...
From what i read we are willing to give KH ,Vezenkov and something more for 6months of DeMar , which will automaticly put a hard worker as Lyles in the doghouse and leave us with one Guard less (which might be solveble if we don't give both DM and Ellis) ...
So are both those transfers giving something more to what we have already ?
As i read (i don't have enough personal opinion on it) Thybulle is total crap as A and great in D , what more he will bring then Kesslar Edwards then experience and bigger contract ? In Kessler we have great D with 0 attack , bright future and lower contract ... Other question is that Coach seem like someone who will not give great amout of time to just a good defender ...
The other is bit more difficults - but what more will give DeRozen then Lyles ... Yes here is obvious - 10 points ave more (maybe even more) but he will demend also 10-15 minutes more, plus the greatest minus - his contract expensive and short ... On the other hand we have a hard worker who does not complain about minutes with less money and longer contract ...
From what i read we are willing to give KH ,Vezenkov and something more for 6months of DeMar , which will automaticly put a hard worker as Lyles in the doghouse and leave us with one Guard less (which might be solveble if we don't give both DM and Ellis) ...
So are both those transfers giving something more to what we have already ?
Unfortunately, I think you're probably right. I was hoping we'd sign him in the off-season when all he would have cost us is $11 million a year, a fair price for a guy who's probably not a full-time starter given his offensive limitations but can sub in whenever we need stops. Giving up another player and a pick to get him now in addition to paying his salary is a tough pill to swallow.
The Clippers and TWolves are looking like the teams to beat in the West this year and we can't compete with them defensively without some kind of significant addition. A lot will depend on who is actually available though. Is this latest Embiid injury and Philly's impending luxury tax bill enough to pry Melton off the Sixers? Is Alex Caruso gettable? Is there a wing defender anywhere in the league that we could get without trading Keegan Murray?
The Clippers and TWolves are looking like the teams to beat in the West this year and we can't compete with them defensively without some kind of significant addition. A lot will depend on who is actually available though. Is this latest Embiid injury and Philly's impending luxury tax bill enough to pry Melton off the Sixers? Is Alex Caruso gettable? Is there a wing defender anywhere in the league that we could get without trading Keegan Murray?
DDR can play also as a guard (even though in the Bulls they have him as PF lately) but despite his offensive abilities he doesn't fit in Kings offense that pass the ball quite fast and quite much before taking a shot. He is mostly an ISO player carrying the ball himself with the defender on his back before taking a mid range jumper. It's been quite a long time since he was a part of a winning team and now that he is much older his game has changed, he doesn't have the crazy speed and bounce to attack the rim like in his prime in Toronto. I am not so sure that he will fit to the Lakers either but even if he ends there at the end I think it might benefit the Kings rather than make our "nemesis" stronger.
These are good points. There's no guarantee a defensive specialist like Thybulle could even crack Mike Brown's rotation given the way he's ignored Davion and Kessler for most of the season. I'm also not sure DeRozan would enhance our offense when he would clearly be taking shots away from more efficient shooters...
On the other hand, it does seem to me that we could use an injection of new energy on this squad. That's the argument for getting someone like DeRozan. We have a solid team on paper but confidence, assertiveness, and toughness have all been lacking. We don't necessarily need more scoring so much as we need more consistent scoring. And if a guy like Thybulle does earn Mike Brown's confidence enough to play 30 minutes a night, the effect of having an additional lockdown defender on the floor could very well make every other guy on the team look better on defense since everyone would need to switch less often.
EDIT: Actually, maybe the answer is hiding in plain sight... If Thybulle is all defense and DeRozan is all offense let's just get both?
Fox / Thybulle / DeRozan / Murray / Sabonis
I don't know who is left on the bench at that point but we'd have more than enough scoring in the starting lineup to carry a non-scorer like Thybulle and allow him to do his thing on defense. Granted the floor spacing could be a problem with this lineup but DeRozan is maybe the best mid-range scorer in the game so not only would we have a potent Plan B if our 3pt shots aren't falling, we'd also have a guy who pulls defenders away from the Sabonis, Fox, Murray DHO game around the 3pt line. It's a bit of a crazy idea but it could work.
On the other hand, it does seem to me that we could use an injection of new energy on this squad. That's the argument for getting someone like DeRozan. We have a solid team on paper but confidence, assertiveness, and toughness have all been lacking. We don't necessarily need more scoring so much as we need more consistent scoring. And if a guy like Thybulle does earn Mike Brown's confidence enough to play 30 minutes a night, the effect of having an additional lockdown defender on the floor could very well make every other guy on the team look better on defense since everyone would need to switch less often.
EDIT: Actually, maybe the answer is hiding in plain sight... If Thybulle is all defense and DeRozan is all offense let's just get both?
Fox / Thybulle / DeRozan / Murray / Sabonis
I don't know who is left on the bench at that point but we'd have more than enough scoring in the starting lineup to carry a non-scorer like Thybulle and allow him to do his thing on defense. Granted the floor spacing could be a problem with this lineup but DeRozan is maybe the best mid-range scorer in the game so not only would we have a potent Plan B if our 3pt shots aren't falling, we'd also have a guy who pulls defenders away from the Sabonis, Fox, Murray DHO game around the 3pt line. It's a bit of a crazy idea but it could work.
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Arent we giving way to much to take them both ?
For DeMar we have to give KH + SV + somethinkg
For Thybule will be at least two players as well , maybe Lyles will be among them ...
So 5 players for 2 , and we are without back up at 3/4 and maybe just one guard ...
I am so glad that nobody is paying me to make those decisions
As far as for defence (do not know money wize how is it) i think much much better choice is Caruso , he can fit automaticly and he is close to 50% shooter this seeson (48.1 field , 40% from the 3pt ...)
For DeMar we have to give KH + SV + somethinkg
For Thybule will be at least two players as well , maybe Lyles will be among them ...
So 5 players for 2 , and we are without back up at 3/4 and maybe just one guard ...
I am so glad that nobody is paying me to make those decisions
As far as for defence (do not know money wize how is it) i think much much better choice is Caruso , he can fit automaticly and he is close to 50% shooter this seeson (48.1 field , 40% from the 3pt ...)
Arent we giving way to much to take them both ?
For DeMar we have to give KH + SV + somethinkg
For Thybule will be at least two players as well , maybe Lyles will be among them ...
So 5 players for 2 , and we are without back up at 3/4 and maybe just one guard ...
I am so glad that nobody is paying me to make those decisions
As far as for defence (do not know money wize how is it) i think much much better choice is Caruso , he can fit automaticly and he is close to 50% shooter this seeson (48.1 field , 40% from the 3pt ...)
For DeMar we have to give KH + SV + somethinkg
For Thybule will be at least two players as well , maybe Lyles will be among them ...
So 5 players for 2 , and we are without back up at 3/4 and maybe just one guard ...
I am so glad that nobody is paying me to make those decisions
As far as for defence (do not know money wize how is it) i think much much better choice is Caruso , he can fit automaticly and he is close to 50% shooter this seeson (48.1 field , 40% from the 3pt ...)