Deadline Deals

Discussion in 'Personnel moves' started by twslam07, Nov 6, 2017.

  1. twslam07

    twslam07 Well-Known Member

    Trade #1
    NOP Gets: George Hill
    NOP Gives: Omer Asik, E'Twaun Moore, Alexis Ajinca, & 2019 NOP 1st (top 5 protected)
    Why for NOP? Gives them another solid player to pair with Holiday, Davis, & Cousins while also giving them more cap flexibility.

    PG - Hill / Rondo / Nelson / Jackson
    SG - Holiday / Clark
    SF - Hill / Allen / Miller
    PF - Davis / Cunningham / Smith
    C - Cousins / Diallo

    SAC Gets: Omer Asik, E'Twaun Moore, Alexis Ajinca, & 2019 NOP 1st (top 5 protected)
    SAC Gives: George Hill
    Why for SAC? Opens up the PG spot for Fox & Mason to get more minutes while also giving us a 2019 1st round pick to replace the one we traded away.

    PG - Fox / Mason / Moore
    SG - Bogdanovic / Hield / Richardson
    SF - Temple / Jackson / Carter
    PF - Labissiere / Randolph / Giles
    C - Koufos / Cauley-Stein / Papagiannis / Asik / Ajinca

    Trade #2
    OKC Gets:
    Kosta Koufos
    OKC Gives: Alex Abrines & Terrance Ferguson
    Why for OKC? Gives them another solid backup big in case Adams needs a break, gets into foul trouble, or gets hurt.

    PG - Westbrook / Felton
    SG - Roberson / Huestis
    SF - George / Grant / Singler
    PF - Anthony / Patterson / Collison
    C - Adams / Koufos / Johnson

    SAC Gets: Alex Abrines & Terrance Ferguson
    SAC Gives: Kosta Koufos
    Why for SAC? Move a veteran player to acquire a young asset in Ferguson

    PG - Fox / Mason / Moore
    SG - Bogdanovic / Hield / Richardson / Abrines
    SF - Temple / Jackson / Ferguson / Carter
    PF - Labissiere / Randolph / Giles
    C - Cauley-Stein / Papagiannis / Asik
    *Ajinca waived

    Outlook
    Kings young assets would now be:
    Fox
    Mason
    Bogdanovic
    Hield
    Richardson
    Ferguson
    Jackson
    Labissiere
    Giles
    Cauley-Stein
    Papagiannis
    2018 SAC 1st
    2018 POR/SAC 2nd (more favorable)
    2019 NOP 1st (top 5 protected)
    2019 MIL/SAC 2nd (least favorable)
    2019 CLE/HOU/ORL (2nd least favorable)
    2020 SAC 1st
    2020 SAC 2nd
    2020 DET 2nd
  2. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    This is a trade that couldn't be made till Dec 15th, but I would do this trade

    Outgoing:
    George Hill

    Incoming:
    Iman Shumpert
    Channing Frye
    Lakers 2018 1st rd pick held by Cleveland

    Cleveland is struggling right now, and they could really use Hill. Not sure they would be willing to give up the pick, which should be at minimum, a lottery pick, ans should be high lottery if the Lakers come back to earth. Without the pick, I don't do the deal. Shumpert has one more year left on his deal and it's a player option. Frye is in the last year of his contract. So we would trading Hill for the 1st round pick. Of course that free's up minutes for Fox, and give Mason a chance to get on the floor. Sort of addition by subtraction.
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  3. twslam07

    twslam07 Well-Known Member

    The Cavs don't have the Lakers' 1st round pick in 2018. They have Brooklyn's 1st round pick in 2018. I would gladly take that pick for only taking on contracts like Shumpert & Frye, but I'm not sure the Cavs would go for it. I think they would like to get more in return than just Hill.
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  4. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    You know I don't focus on trades as much as you but I do have a question. Why would NOP give up that many assets for George Hill? I'm not enamored of him but it seems like he's being overvalued in this scenario.
  5. dude12

    dude12 Well-Known Member

    Meh.....I think ideally, at least for me, is we deal Hill for a young SF instead of another pick. Who the SF is, I haven't looked but would be nice to not have another rookie but a more seasoned young guy who fits the core.
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  6. twslam07

    twslam07 Well-Known Member

    Well I wouldn't necessarily call those players assets. It's really a salary dump with a pick attached to get a solid guard who can defend, spread the floor, handle the ball, and play off the ball.

    Personally, I think the Pelicans should blow it up (Davis too) but this would be a move to give them another solid player alongside Davis/Cousins.
  7. twslam07

    twslam07 Well-Known Member

    There's none really out there that make sense for the other team. You're maybe looking at guys like Dekker, McDermott, etc. which is not attractive to me. I'd rather have a pick because we don't have a strong core yet. We need to acquire more elite young talent before we actually start thinking we have a core.
  8. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    The part I question is that Hill is a "solid guard who can defend, spread the floor, handle the ball, and play off the ball." If he's that good, we could get better. He's not shown that, however, so I don't think NOP is gonna get all excited about bringing him over.
  9. twslam07

    twslam07 Well-Known Member

    But you're forgetting the salary dump. This isn't just Hill for a pick. It's Hill for a pick & dead salary.
  10. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    Fair point.
  11. Iced Espresso

    Iced Espresso Well-Known Member

    I've got a poll over at realgm on Hill's contract value

    Majority of thosed polled view it as a negative value contract, with some seeing it as a neutral contract. Somewhere between 50-60 votes so far. He's not going to get back anything worth mentioning.
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  12. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    That's where I get confused. twslam07 said that "Why for NOP? Gives them another solid player to pair with Holiday, Davis, & Cousins..." Disregarding the salary/cap issue, I just don't buy that NOP is gonna view Hill as "another solid player."

    But I always end up doing this. I nitpick trade deals to the point where I irritate the crap out of the people who really enjoy talking about them, so I'll stop now.

    :)
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  13. Iced Espresso

    Iced Espresso Well-Known Member

    LOL, well I don't mind, and like to learn or consider things with criticisms.

    But Hill is no longer young, injury risk, playing bad, and many people think he's on inflated salary.
  14. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    Exactly. Which is why I'm questioning his assigned value in the OP. :)

    Do you have a link to your poll? Trying to navigate that site drives me nuts.
  15. dude12

    dude12 Well-Known Member

    I don't think he's on an inflated salary with the right team. If he is, then there is a crap ton of inflated salaries out there. How about George Hill to SA? Fits what they do, it's not a long term contract, Tony Parker is on the downward of his career.
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  16. twslam07

    twslam07 Well-Known Member

    I just have a hard time believing that a slow start to a season on a team with horrible supporting players all of a sudden means he's a bad contract. Just last year he posted:

    3.45 RAPM (14th in the league) / 3.75 RPM (23rd in the league) / +7.8 On-Off / 31.5 MPG / .599 TS% / .477 FG% / .403 3PT% / .801 FT% / 16.9 PPG / 3.4 RPG / 4.2 APG / 1.0 SPG / 0.2 BPG / 1.7 TOPG

    That's a solid player. I would like to think GMs don't have as many knee jerk reactions as posters found on RealGM.
  17. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    Fixed it for you. :)
  18. Iced Espresso

    Iced Espresso Well-Known Member

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  19. Iced Espresso

    Iced Espresso Well-Known Member

    The guys who talk contracts & trades all day disagree, well the vast proportion of them do. Some think it's neutral value, which we better hope would be the barometer for some teams, because we should cut our losses on an expiring if we can get it.
  20. dude12

    dude12 Well-Known Member

    But these are hoops fans and not GM's right? If you look at his numbers last year, they were some of his best. Agreed that he is an injury risk but I don't believe his value has tanked to a negative value.
  21. Iced Espresso

    Iced Espresso Well-Known Member

    That segment of the forum area is the best place to go online to talk shop about trades, cap, contract value. You've got a lot of guys there on a daily basis who talk shop all day. You get perspective from every market.

    Now people over there don't always agree, but my thinking after the poll, is if we can get an expiring we should do it Dec 15th. Too much risk holding out for value that may not come and reinvest next off season.
  22. twslam07

    twslam07 Well-Known Member

    How about this one?

    CLE Gets: Chris Paul, Eric Gordon, Buddy Hield, & Willie Cauley-Stein
    CLE Gives: Kevin Love, Iman Shumpert, Jose Calderon, & 2018 BKN 1st

    PG - Paul / Thomas / Rose / Calderon
    SG - Gordon / Wade / Hield
    SF - LeBron / Smith / Korver / Osman
    PF - Crowder / Green
    C - Thompson / Cauley-Stein / Frye / Zizic

    HOU Gets: Kevin Love, George Hill, Iman Shumpert, & Jose Calderon
    HOU Gives: Chris Paul, Eric Gordon, & Ryan Anderson

    PG - Hill / Calderon / Brown / Taylor
    SG - Harden / Shumpert / Paula
    SF - Ariza / Moute / Williams
    PF - Love / Tucker / Oliver
    C - Capela / Nene / Black

    SAC Gets: Ryan Anderson & 2018 BKN 1st
    SAC Gives: George Hill, Buddy Hield, & Willie Cauley-Stein

    PG - Fox / Mason
    SG - Bogdanovic / Richardson / Carter
    SF - Temple / Jackson
    PF - Anderson / Labissiere / Randolph
    C - Koufos / Papagiannis / Giles

    Cavs improve their backcourt, get younger, and add another C to their depth chart. They could even try and move Thomas to improve elsewhere.
    Rockets don't like their odds of retaining Paul in free agency and would rather keep Harden on the ball more often. Hill pairs well with Harden and Love allows them to keep their 2nd star.
    Kings take on some salary and give up a couple of decent to good prospects with hopes that they have the chance to draft a star talent with the BKN pick.


    With two picks in the lottery, we could come out with a Porter/Bridges and have a roster looking like this:

    PG - Fox / Mason
    SG - Bogdanovic / Richardson
    SF - Bridges / Jackson
    PF - Porter / Labissiere
    C - Giles / Papagiannis
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  23. dude12

    dude12 Well-Known Member

    No chance Houston would do that.....the way they play, giving up a tremendous amount of 3 point shooting
  24. twslam07

    twslam07 Well-Known Member

    I could see them declining but let's not pretend like Love & Hill aren't good 3pt shooters, and let's not pretend like Paul won't be a 33 year old expiring vs. Love who is 29 and is on the books for 2-3 more years.
  25. Capt. Factorial

    Capt. Factorial Cantry Member Staff Member Contributor

    The problem off the bat here is that you have to cut two Kings players to make this trade work, but you planned out the roster as if we could hold 17. Who would you cut?
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  26. twslam07

    twslam07 Well-Known Member

    Do Sampson & Cooley not count against the roster count? I thought we could have a couple of players in reno without it counting against the 15 man roster.
  27. Capt. Factorial

    Capt. Factorial Cantry Member Staff Member Contributor

    They are two-way deals, which are different than regular full-NBA deals. You can't convert the full-NBA deals of Asik/Moore/Ajinca into two-way deals to fit them into slots 16 and 17.
  28. twslam07

    twslam07 Well-Known Member

    So two way deals are the only contracts that wouldn't be counted against the traditional 15 man roster while still having the advantage of having the rights to that player, right?
  29. kingsfan1984

    kingsfan1984 Well-Known Member

    Im all for any of these deals of they come to fruition.
  30. Capt. Factorial

    Capt. Factorial Cantry Member Staff Member Contributor

    Yes.

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