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And again, makes absolute 100% sense.
I like this Vlade front office. Its the first time in living memory for most Kings fans that everything the front office does makes 100% sense/follows the same goal.
Nick Calathes:
played for Joerger in 2013-14 and 2014-15
noted for his defense
6'6" tall -- one more long defensive backcourt presence
Absolutely 100% makes sense under all the rules we have been following this summer.
Now the question: how could we afford him? I thought we tapped ourselves out capwise, even if he has a way out of his Greek contract? Would one of our trade pieces have to be just given away for cap space to make this happen?
We have the room exception, which is $2.9M. That should be just a touch over what he is making in Europe (two years left on a reported 3/$7M contract, or $2.3M per year) but I'm not seeing anything suggesting he has an NBA out clause or a buyout.
Calathes would either spell the end for I-Cuz or would require us to eventually pull a two-for-one deal (or straight up cut somebody, but the only real candidate is McLemore and I don't see that happening).
Calathes would either spell the end for I-Cuz or would require us to eventually pull a two-for-one deal (or straight up cut somebody, but the only real candidate is McLemore and I don't see that happening).
I-Cuz really isn't of great interest beyond Reno. Got one look at his athleticism at SL and said, oh, ok. Gotcha.
But Calathes is a major person of interest, and the pursuit alone now brings into clear focus our backcourt vision.
Think Memphis 2014-15:
Courtney Lee/Tony Allen
Mike Conley/Benu Udrih/Nick Calathes
We went after Lee, found him too expensive, settled for Afflalo instead. Temple comes in as a more versatile Allen figure that can play 3 positions (we also call that guy Doug Christie). The designated little guard goes from Conley to Collison. We sign Calathes. And really the only question is did we have to use Ben to create that, and would Calathes be trusted fully as a vet without the Beno crutch? I think given Temple's ability to play the PG too, the answer is yes. Malachi is the 5th guard if Ben is moved..
Arron Afflalo/Garret Temple/Malachi Richardson
Darren Collison/Nick Calathes
If Joerger can reach Afflalo and reactivate his defense then that backcourt has lots of length and defense, and those traits are clearly prioritized over offense.
But Calathes is a major person of interest, and the pursuit alone now brings into clear focus our backcourt vision.
Think Memphis 2014-15:
Courtney Lee/Tony Allen
Mike Conley/Benu Udrih/Nick Calathes
We went after Lee, found him too expensive, settled for Afflalo instead. Temple comes in as a more versatile Allen figure that can play 3 positions (we also call that guy Doug Christie). The designated little guard goes from Conley to Collison. We sign Calathes. And really the only question is did we have to use Ben to create that, and would Calathes be trusted fully as a vet without the Beno crutch? I think given Temple's ability to play the PG too, the answer is yes. Malachi is the 5th guard if Ben is moved..
Arron Afflalo/Garret Temple/Malachi Richardson
Darren Collison/Nick Calathes
If Joerger can reach Afflalo and reactivate his defense then that backcourt has lots of length and defense, and those traits are clearly prioritized over offense.
There is no NBA buyout fee in Calathes contract with the Greek club this year. Plus his current club released an announcement saying Calathes has got a contract with them for the next 2 years and will stay there. IMHO thats good news for Kings fans. 
http://www.eurohoops.net/featured/287443/calathes-is-bound-with-panathinaikos
According to Eurohoops sources from the States, there was some kind of interest from the Kings for the player, but no offer is made and it’s very hard for this to happen for two reasons. The first is that Calathes’ contract with Panathinaikos – which pays him $2,1 m. annually – does not include any buy out option for this season and the second that Calathes is a restricted free agent of Memphis. The Kings were in theory willing to give him the veteran’s minimum, but in that case Memphis would match their offer, so it’s more than unlikely for Calathes to leave Europe this summer.
What’s even more interesting is that Panathinaikos seems to have predicted the new financial situation with the rise of the salary cap numbers. There’s an NBA buy out in Calathes contract for the summer of 2017, but the price tag is $4 million. This means that Calathes should get an offer close to $8 m. per year in order to leave next summer Greece and return to the States. However this is a possibility which will be examined next year and for now the chances of him leaving Panathinaikos are more than slim and pretty close to nonexistent.
http://www.eurohoops.net/featured/287443/calathes-is-bound-with-panathinaikos
According to Eurohoops sources from the States, there was some kind of interest from the Kings for the player, but no offer is made and it’s very hard for this to happen for two reasons. The first is that Calathes’ contract with Panathinaikos – which pays him $2,1 m. annually – does not include any buy out option for this season and the second that Calathes is a restricted free agent of Memphis. The Kings were in theory willing to give him the veteran’s minimum, but in that case Memphis would match their offer, so it’s more than unlikely for Calathes to leave Europe this summer.
What’s even more interesting is that Panathinaikos seems to have predicted the new financial situation with the rise of the salary cap numbers. There’s an NBA buy out in Calathes contract for the summer of 2017, but the price tag is $4 million. This means that Calathes should get an offer close to $8 m. per year in order to leave next summer Greece and return to the States. However this is a possibility which will be examined next year and for now the chances of him leaving Panathinaikos are more than slim and pretty close to nonexistent.
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There is no NBA buyout fee in Calathes contract with the Greek club this year. Plus his current club released an announcement saying Calathes has got a contract with them for the next 2 years and will stay there. IMHO thats good news for Kings fans.
http://www.eurohoops.net/featured/287443/calathes-is-bound-with-panathinaikos
According to Eurohoops sources from the States, there was some kind of interest from the Kings for the player, but no offer is made and it’s very hard for this to happen for two reasons. The first is that Calathes’ contract with Panathinaikos – which pays him $2,1 m. annually – does not include any buy out option for this season and the second that Calathes is a restricted free agent of Memphis. The Kings were in theory willing to give him the veteran’s minimum, but in that case Memphis would match their offer, so it’s more than unlikely for Calathes to leave Europe this summer.
What’s even more interesting is that Panathinaikos seems to have predicted the new financial situation with the rise of the salary cap numbers. There’s an NBA buy out in Calathes contract for the summer of 2017, but the price tag is $4 million. This means that Calathes should get an offer close to $8 m. per year in order to leave next summer Greece and return to the States. However this is a possibility which will be examined next year and for now the chances of him leaving Panathinaikos are more than slim and pretty close to nonexistent.
http://www.eurohoops.net/featured/287443/calathes-is-bound-with-panathinaikos
According to Eurohoops sources from the States, there was some kind of interest from the Kings for the player, but no offer is made and it’s very hard for this to happen for two reasons. The first is that Calathes’ contract with Panathinaikos – which pays him $2,1 m. annually – does not include any buy out option for this season and the second that Calathes is a restricted free agent of Memphis. The Kings were in theory willing to give him the veteran’s minimum, but in that case Memphis would match their offer, so it’s more than unlikely for Calathes to leave Europe this summer.
What’s even more interesting is that Panathinaikos seems to have predicted the new financial situation with the rise of the salary cap numbers. There’s an NBA buy out in Calathes contract for the summer of 2017, but the price tag is $4 million. This means that Calathes should get an offer close to $8 m. per year in order to leave next summer Greece and return to the States. However this is a possibility which will be examined next year and for now the chances of him leaving Panathinaikos are more than slim and pretty close to nonexistent.
A $4M buyout on the final $2.1M year of a three year contract also sounds a bit extreme but I guess that could be accurate.
I think we would be better off with a trade or signing a state side FA. This is the Chinese Tony Parker right? I'd like to see him attack the basket more, can he create his own shot? He's deft enough to break the press or pressure and has obvious skills. But for this squad being put together for the Kings, if your not 6'5", doesn't appear that he would fit.
The thing about Calathes' contract is that the value there would be after tax as that is how salaries are calculated in Europe so it would have to be a fair bit more than our $2.9 million.
It's interesting that we are trying to recruit a PG that has history with Joerger in Memphis and as Brick said is known more as a defensive type. Another interesting angle is that Calathes plays for the same team that Papagiannis played for which means bringing over his teammate if this eventuates.
If we pull this off, there is a big of Greek flavor to this team with Koufos, Papagiannis and Calathes.
It's interesting that we are trying to recruit a PG that has history with Joerger in Memphis and as Brick said is known more as a defensive type. Another interesting angle is that Calathes plays for the same team that Papagiannis played for which means bringing over his teammate if this eventuates.
If we pull this off, there is a big of Greek flavor to this team with Koufos, Papagiannis and Calathes.
Calathes NOT coming to Kings:
http://www.eurohoops.net/featured/288347/calathes-thank-you-kings-but-i-am-devoted-to-pao
http://www.eurohoops.net/featured/288347/calathes-thank-you-kings-but-i-am-devoted-to-pao
Doesn't he have 2 years left?
It's also possible a lot has been lost in the translation since I'm assuming English isn't his primary language.
Calathes may not be the guy, but our pursuit of him should confirm the direction we are looking there: size and defense again. Scoring and even shooting not primary concerns.
And actually the way that was written he COULD not come here because there was no buy out at all. But that is kind of odd given our interest -- we would know that, and hence know it was impossible. In any case, a bit like Bogdan in that if what Calathes says about wanting to play for Joerger is true, we could eventually get him. But he may be missing a golden opportunity this year with our PG position weak enough he could have grabbed major time. Wait a year, or especially 2, and who knows how we might have filled it in the meantime.
And actually the way that was written he COULD not come here because there was no buy out at all. But that is kind of odd given our interest -- we would know that, and hence know it was impossible. In any case, a bit like Bogdan in that if what Calathes says about wanting to play for Joerger is true, we could eventually get him. But he may be missing a golden opportunity this year with our PG position weak enough he could have grabbed major time. Wait a year, or especially 2, and who knows how we might have filled it in the meantime.
I wonder if we will now trade Rudy for Rodney Stuckey. There already were reports that we discussed a Rudy deal with the Pacers and everyone assumed it was for Monta Ellis. But what if we actually discussed Stuckey? He would fit right into all the moves we made as he is a tall vet PG. We bleed talent with that deal but Stuckey fits a need as a scoring backup PG and maybe Rudys interview now forces Vlades hand.
Collison / Stuckey
Afflalo / Temple / (Ben)
Casspi / Barnes
Definetly looks like I would expect a Joerger/Divac backcourt to look.
Edit: I went to Espns trade machine and Stuckey for Rudy straight up actually works because the Pacers are still under the cap. Coincidentally they are about 7 mil under the cap and and the difference between Rudys and Stuckeys contract is about 6 mil
Collison / Stuckey
Afflalo / Temple / (Ben)
Casspi / Barnes
Definetly looks like I would expect a Joerger/Divac backcourt to look.
Edit: I went to Espns trade machine and Stuckey for Rudy straight up actually works because the Pacers are still under the cap. Coincidentally they are about 7 mil under the cap and and the difference between Rudys and Stuckeys contract is about 6 mil
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I wonder if we will now trade Rudy for Rodney Stuckey. There already were reports that we discussed a Rudy deal with the Pacers and everyone assumed it was for Monta Ellis. But what if we actually discussed Stuckey? He would fit right into all the moves we made as he is a tall vet PG. We bleed talent with that deal but Stuckey fits a need as a scoring backup PG and maybe Rudys interview now forces Vlades hand.
Collison / Stuckey
Afflalo / Temple / (Ben)
Casspi / Barnes
Definetly looks like I would expect a Joerger/Divac backcourt to look.
Edit: I went to Espns trade machine and Stuckey for Rudy straight up actually works because the Pacers are still under the cap. Coincidentally they are about 7 mil under the cap and and the difference between Rudys and Stuckeys contract is about 6 mil
Collison / Stuckey
Afflalo / Temple / (Ben)
Casspi / Barnes
Definetly looks like I would expect a Joerger/Divac backcourt to look.
Edit: I went to Espns trade machine and Stuckey for Rudy straight up actually works because the Pacers are still under the cap. Coincidentally they are about 7 mil under the cap and and the difference between Rudys and Stuckeys contract is about 6 mil
I'm not familiar with Miles but his numbers look good. He shoots a lot of threes and makes them at a good clip. Per 36 he averaged 18 points.
How is his defense though? I wonder if that is the reason why he played only 23 min per game.
Anyways, I don't know if the Pacers make that deal. But maybe if we throw in Ben?
Rudy + Ben for Miles + Stuckey sounds fair for both teams.
How is his defense though? I wonder if that is the reason why he played only 23 min per game.
Anyways, I don't know if the Pacers make that deal. But maybe if we throw in Ben?
Rudy + Ben for Miles + Stuckey sounds fair for both teams.