Trade Deadline Rumors
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Overall, I'm happy we kept Nik. I know that he has been a disappointment thus far this season, but that's no reason to think he will be one forever. His shooting ability is top-notch, he just has to get it to work in-game. And yes, that was the whole Quincy Douby problem too, so there's no guarantee he'll work it out. But I'd like to see him get a chance, especially as some of the trade options seemed pretty risky. Dragic scared me for the simple facts that he's looking to get what I would consider to be very overpaid and he didn't seem to want to be here anyway. With Karl, who is pretty known for getting the most out of his players, and now 30 games stress-free followed by a full summer to work on his game, I hope that we can see a Ben-type turnaround for Nik next year. A more-athletic J.J. Redick would be a great role player.
Karl seems very high on Ben, and he wants him to be more aggressive. This could be fun to watch. Ben has already taken a big leap this year, let's see if Karl can make him special.
Karl seems very high on Ben, and he wants him to be more aggressive. This could be fun to watch. Ben has already taken a big leap this year, let's see if Karl can make him special.
Quincy Miller is now a Piston
Shams Charania @ShamsCharania 5m5 minutes ago
Free agent Quincy Miller has reached agreement to sign 10-day deal with the Detroit Pistons on Saturday, agent Jared Karnes tells RealGM.
Shams Charania @ShamsCharania 5m5 minutes ago
Free agent Quincy Miller has reached agreement to sign 10-day deal with the Detroit Pistons on Saturday, agent Jared Karnes tells RealGM.
I have seen Suns fans complaining about some of the exact same things we were complaining about last year. Hero ball, doesn't pass the ball much, etc. Kind of sounds like the Suns told each of the three (Bledsoe, Dragic and IT) whatever they wanted to hear, and then got caught. Now they have Bledsoe and a rookie at PG, and Thornton in the mix as well. Interesting to see how that goes.
EDIT: I read some earlier posts and realized I wasn't sure I had this right after all.
EDIT: I read some earlier posts and realized I wasn't sure I had this right after all.
I have mixed emotions about IT. For me, he made a strange transition from the "little overachieving 6th man who could do anything," who I loved, to the guy who wouldn't pass the ball to Cousins or Gay at the end of the game, because he wanted to win the game himself. Things started to go downhill at that point.
I think things would have been fine if they never made him a starter here*. I could be wrong about that, I don't know. But it seemed like as soon as he was able to tell himself "I'm the starting point guard," he was never willingly going back.
The ironic thing is that appears that because of that attitude, he's now been traded away by two teams in less than a year, and he's still not going to start. So he kind of let his ego screw up his plans, in my opinion. And unless he changes his playing style (more facilitating) or decides that "6th Man" is an acceptable role for him, I think he might continue to bounce around the league. To me, he was the next Bobby Jackson, the Kings 6th man during the glory years, and that would have been awesome.
* EDIT: I'm not sure we had much choice at the time, though.
I think things would have been fine if they never made him a starter here*. I could be wrong about that, I don't know. But it seemed like as soon as he was able to tell himself "I'm the starting point guard," he was never willingly going back.
The ironic thing is that appears that because of that attitude, he's now been traded away by two teams in less than a year, and he's still not going to start. So he kind of let his ego screw up his plans, in my opinion. And unless he changes his playing style (more facilitating) or decides that "6th Man" is an acceptable role for him, I think he might continue to bounce around the league. To me, he was the next Bobby Jackson, the Kings 6th man during the glory years, and that would have been awesome.
* EDIT: I'm not sure we had much choice at the time, though.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer...-jackson-dilemma-with-certainty-not-questions
"extend the life of an asset and not just let it expire" per ken berger
take note gerbil.
Assets that we've let expire so far.. IT, Tyreke who's next?
"extend the life of an asset and not just let it expire" per ken berger
take note gerbil.
Assets that we've let expire so far.. IT, Tyreke who's next?
T-Rob agrees to buyout with Denver.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/568597792668700673
Any chance we bring him back?
https://mobile.twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/568597792668700673
Any chance we bring him back?
I was gonna say IT to Celtics would be like Nate Robinson's Celtics days, but Nate's stats there were worse.
Re: T-Rob back to Kings? I thought the consensus was he was a knucklehead who believed his draft pick determined his value, not his on-court performance? I don't think we need toxic players in our locker room.
Re: T-Rob back to Kings? I thought the consensus was he was a knucklehead who believed his draft pick determined his value, not his on-court performance? I don't think we need toxic players in our locker room.
Tyreke probably shouldn't count. As you'll recall, the front office that traded him (a sign-and-trade no less, so he wasn't actually allowed to "expire") was not the same front office that didn't trade him at the deadline.
IT also didn't purely expire, though we got nearly nothing (Alex Oriakhi and a trade exception). Again, we've got a bit of extenuating circumstances here, as Thomas was on a league-minimum contract and basically couldn't have been traded for anything good at the deadline because we couldn't take any ral salary back. Perhaps we could have gotten a pick.
But Derrick Williams, on the other hand, fits the criteria perfectly.
IT also didn't purely expire, though we got nearly nothing (Alex Oriakhi and a trade exception). Again, we've got a bit of extenuating circumstances here, as Thomas was on a league-minimum contract and basically couldn't have been traded for anything good at the deadline because we couldn't take any ral salary back. Perhaps we could have gotten a pick.
But Derrick Williams, on the other hand, fits the criteria perfectly.
He's already admitted that his head was screwed up in his rookie season and he had an over-inflated opinion of himself which impeded his ability to learn. I think his peripheral numbers look good for a bench big. Here's a list of all the players who averaged 17% reb rate, 2% blk rate, and 2% steal rate over the course of a season in the last 10 years, sorted by defense rating:
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And here's the leaders in defensive reb % this season:
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We need a guy who can gobble up defensive boards when Cousins is on the bench. We could also use a guy that contributes defensively as well. The sample size is small, but his fg% has gone up from .430 his rookie year to .481 last year and .516 this year. Mostly because he's taking smarter shots. That FT% is a glaring problem though. Obviously expectations would be different this time. We're not talking about Robinson as the 5th overall pick anymore, just a cheap and available young player with some intriguing numbers in limited minutes who could fill a need for us off the bench. I think he'd be a nice low-risk/high-reward get for us.
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And here's the leaders in defensive reb % this season:
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We need a guy who can gobble up defensive boards when Cousins is on the bench. We could also use a guy that contributes defensively as well. The sample size is small, but his fg% has gone up from .430 his rookie year to .481 last year and .516 this year. Mostly because he's taking smarter shots. That FT% is a glaring problem though. Obviously expectations would be different this time. We're not talking about Robinson as the 5th overall pick anymore, just a cheap and available young player with some intriguing numbers in limited minutes who could fill a need for us off the bench. I think he'd be a nice low-risk/high-reward get for us.
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I have no interest in Beasley or Bennett. Obviously we tried Williams and it didn't work. Aside from high draft picks and high expectations though, these four players are nothing alike. Beasley has already had a season where he averaged 19 and 5. He could be a starter somewhere if he actually got serious about being a professional athlete and playing within an offense. Williams is an elite athlete who hasn't improved at all in 4 years. It appears from the outside that he enjoys spending his money more than he enjoys working on his game. Bennett is two inches shorter than Robinson and looks like he might eventually top out as a poor man's Al Harrington. I already gave you my reasons for wanting to take a flier on TRob. His rebounding skill is up there with the best big men in the league and he runs the floor and makes hustle plays on both ends of the court.
If you want to imply guilt by association, I could just as easily go the entire opposite direction. Ben Wallace won 4 Defensive Player of the Year awards as a 6'7" center. Two of the greatest rebounders of all-time were shorter than 6'7". Sometimes it's not about how big you are, it's about how badly you want it.
If you want to imply guilt by association, I could just as easily go the entire opposite direction. Ben Wallace won 4 Defensive Player of the Year awards as a 6'7" center. Two of the greatest rebounders of all-time were shorter than 6'7". Sometimes it's not about how big you are, it's about how badly you want it.
