Ty Lawson?

Looks like Lawson and Faried may be traded by the draft for the rebuilding Nuggets.

http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci...-josh-kroenke-has-work-cut-out-him?source=rss

If George Karl has a say, I can see the Kings sending out some sort of package of #6 pick, DC, Nik, Landry and JT for Lawson and Faried and a 2015 second round pick.

If that happens, the Kings would need to sign a bunch of mid level talent to fill in the roster.

I'm not saying it will happen, but I wouldn't be surprised.

A trade for Lawson and Chandler is a possibility.

If the Kings keep the # 6 pick and draft WCS, the King could make a trade for Lawson/Chandler.

The Kings trade Ben McClemore, Darren Collison, , Ray McCallum and Jason Thompson for Ty Lawson and Wilson Chandler.

Why the Kings do it? The Kings need a third player for a "big 3" and Lawson could fit that role. Wilson Chandler give the Kings a defensive minded shooting guard with more consistency than Ben. The Kings keep their #6 pick and draft a defensive stud at PF in WCS.

Why the Nuggets do it? The Nuggets are looking to blow up and rebuild. Ben gives them a young SG with a high ceiling and a low price tag. Darren Collison gives them a solid starter to replace Lawson. Ray McCallum is a viable backup or 3rd PG and comes on a cheap rookie deal, he still has some upside. JT would be a viable third big on a resonable contract that is an ender.

Kings sign Jeremy Lin and one of Kosta Koufas/ Brendan Wright/Ed Davis to backup PF/C. Resign Andre Miller and Omri Casspi.

New Kings Line Up:

PF WCS / Landry/ Moreland
SF Rudy Gay/ Casspi
C DMC / Koufas/ Sim
SG Wilson Chandler / Stauskas
PG Lawson / Lin/ Miller

Kings line up would balanced with 3 offensive players (DMC/Gay/Lawson) and 2 defensive players (WCS and Chandler). Hopefully Nik steps up and becomes a genuine NBA player

Side note : kosta koufos played for George Karl in Denver and had his best year 8.0pt, 7 reb, 1.3 blks per game. I think their Denver connection will help the kings sign him if they want to.

I would be ok with Lawson, just if he doesn't cost us any asset. If Denver wants to rebuild and dump some big contracts, I'd be glad to grab Lawson and Chandler. McCollum, Stauskas and Landry (they can stretch his contract) is the best package I would offer.

Very good fit beats talent every time.

Why so people want Lawson over Faried?
We don't need pg help Faried helps a need. Farieds combination of slashing and high low passing will be amazing with DMC. I know we want WCS but id take Faried/Chandler over WCS. We could still sign Koufos at 7mill who is a very good defender. Than sign Belinelli 5mill.

Cause Faried won't be playing against inferior athletes in a B level competition like when he dominated in the World Championships. A frontline of Cousins/Faried/Koufos (Kosta is basically less athletic JT with shot blocking) would not scare me at all aside from obviously Cousins. There's just way better options for us to trade/sign than Faried tbh. We actually do need help at PG we need a back up PG (does not have to be Lawson/Collison), Miller is 40 next year he has to be a 3rd PG. If we can't get WCS and one of the talented PG's drop to us we should draft him and let them develop behind DC.

We are better off playing Rudy Gay @ the 4 than we are Faried.

No, Faried is good at what he does, especially in Karl's running game. And Cuz/Faried/Koufos would dominate the glass like all get out.

The problem with Faried is that he's a) overpaid and b) not much of a defender, and never will be. Koufos would help there, give us 48min of legit center defense, but we'd be permanently and very expensively locked into having a poor PF defender.

I suppose you could cap things by drafting Cauley Stein, then have a full set of big man options with Cuz/Koufos/Faried/WCS. That'd be a real strong group. But then you would have spent most of your assets and money putting together a frontcourt, while leaving a backcourt mess that would be amongst the worst in the league, and in particular without the shooters or perimeter defenders we need.

Paying Koufos 7 million while we have pretty much the a similar player making 5 million in JT does not really make that much sense, we need a long/athletic mobile body that provides the threat of a lob (e.g WCS). Getting Faried + whatever else the Nuggets would want that 6th pick wouldn't they?

If we want to have a small PF than just go with Rudy is what I'm saying, Faried is making 1-2 million less than Rudy next year and defensively he could very well be worse than Rudy guarding PF's. Or even someone like Bass (way cheaper) who can hit a mid range jumper and provides that toughness in terms of finishing around the rim Faried does.

We also need a big thuggy rebounding fool body to fill in when Cuz is out, either to rest, for fouls, or if injured. It was a catatrophe everytime he left the game this year. We need a real big able to do real big things to alleviate that as much as possible. And Koufos is a good one. Good enough in fact to backup the center on a WCSF team this year, and one of the better defensive teams. Good enough to back up our center too.

Koufos was at 11.2pts 11.4reb 1.7blk per 36 this year BTW, and that's very much his standard for the last 4 years. He was Karl's starting center a couple of years ago, and he'll bang you. Meanwhile Jason has been withering away and was all the way down to 8.9pts 9.6reb 1.0blk this year.

If we move JT to the backup center role, I see no pressing need for a guy like Koufos. He would be an upgrade over JT, but having two backup center is a luxury.
I would be pleased with a trade involving JT and a Koufos signing to fill the gap. But Koufos should get some offers from contenders this year. I don't think we have much of a chance to persuade him to play in SAC.

If we move JT to the backup center role, I see no pressing need for a guy like Koufos. He would be an upgrade over JT, but having two backup center is a luxury.
I would be pleased with a trade involving JT and a Koufos signing to fill the gap. But Koufos should get some offers from contenders this year. I don't think we have much of a chance to persuade him to play in SAC.

JT will be used as a semi expiring deal this off-season and he will have value. He only has $2 million guaranteed for 2016-17 season and given that the salary cap will increase significantly, this will be equivalent of a veteran's minimum wage....in other words, not even a blip on the radar.

He will come in handy in a bigger deal where a team is trying to get out under a contract and make some salary cap room for the 2016-17 season. If we manage to draft WCS, I can see us offering a package of Collison, JT and Stauskas to Denver for Lawson who they clearly want to trade and who clearly wants out. It's a classic, expiring deal, solid veteran and young prospect deal. Whether Denver bites or not is another discussion all together but I can certainly see JT getting moved as part of a deal for a veteran that helps us improve. Similarly to how John Salmons was part key part of the deal for Rudy Gay. He was essentially $8 million expiring deal with only $1.5 million guaranteed for a season after the one we traded him in.

Brick if we had a complete team, and salary room with the exception of just a starting pf, I could see Faried and gambling because of the cap sky rocketing. But not with so many holes and our lack of cap space. We should learn from the Thompson/Landry scenario about too much investment in players who have handcuffed us.

And no to Lawson, I would not want him for free with our cap situation with how thrifty the Collison contract is.

JT will be used as a semi expiring deal this off-season and he will have value. He only has $2 million guaranteed for 2016-17 season and given that the salary cap will increase significantly, this will be equivalent of a veteran's minimum wage....in other words, not even a blip on the radar.

He will come in handy in a bigger deal where a team is trying to get out under a contract and make some salary cap room for the 2016-17 season. If we manage to draft WCS, I can see us offering a package of Collison, JT and Stauskas to Denver for Lawson who they clearly want to trade and who clearly wants out. It's a classic, expiring deal, solid veteran and young prospect deal. Whether Denver bites or not is another discussion all together but I can certainly see JT getting moved as part of a deal for a veteran that helps us improve. Similarly to how John Salmons was part key part of the deal for Rudy Gay. He was essentially $8 million expiring deal with only $1.5 million guaranteed for a season after the one we traded him in.

It's not the individual amount that JT/Landry make that kills us it's the fact that we have so many. Landry was a michael Malone pickup that shouldn't have happened if we were planning on keeping JT.

Yeah I'm reminded by someone every single time I bring it up, I get it, that's about the 10th time I've had the robotic reply.

I think the main advantage of getting Lawson is that we decrease the possibility of failure next season. The kings know that Lawson was the floor general for coach Karl offense that won 57 games just 2 years ago.

It is not a knock on Darren collison, but he is in a major disadvantage in the eyes of Karl because he was injured and never played a game for Karl.

Getting Lawson would eliminate the possibility that we have a point guard that doesn't fit Karl's offense.

Salary difference will be pretty meaningless once the salary cap jumps after next season.

I am all for getting Lawson, as long as we don't send the #6 pick in the trade.

Exactly you trade landry/JT so you have money to sign Koufos and a wing (Belinelli). Like you said Koufus is great defensively and with DMC playing 32-35mpg we need an anchor for 15-20mpg.
http://bealestreetbears.com/2015/05/08/the-memphis-grizzlies-invisible-man-kosta-koufos/

And people should stop acting like Faried is some scrub his slashing and finishing will have to be respected and feeding off of Gay/DMC will do him wonders. Also let's not forget we would make them them give us Chandler who is on par with FA (Carrol/Green) at a lower price. Having 3 vets off the bench on Koufos/Chandler/Belinelli is a good bench.