Vlade says DMC untradeable (on SiriusXmradio)

gunks

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Well, on that front there have been enough quotes from various sources to leave room for optimism.

JT said something about Karl running less and implementing more plays as his tenure went on.

Karl himself had mentioned using bits and pieces of "The Malone system" and has recently been talking a lot about defense.

Then there is Vlade, talking about building around Cuz, and implementing an offense that has less to do with running, and more to do with spacing.

Of course, I'll believe it when I see it. But since Mully's departure and PDA's demotion, there has not been much talk of that pace garbage, which of course was not at all in line with Cousins' talents. That's encouraging.
 
Spike

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bajaden said:
Actually, the bench performed fairly well, and better by comparison under Karl. But really, its not a fair comparison. Karl came in with what, around 30 games left in the season. No training camp or time to implement his system. Didn't have his own coaching staff. Lets see what happens next season before throwing mud at Karl.
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I think the acquisition of Miller did a lot to help that unit as well. While Karl did come in towards the end of the year, the players have had all year to get themselves familiar with each other.

I fully understand that we're comparing a hall of fame coach to a n00b, but I don't think bench play in comparison is a fair way to judge one coach vs. the other. No disrespect meant towards Karl, but I think not having Collison, Gay, and Cousins together and healthy at the same time makes things a little harder to judge, as he had to rely on that bench a little more.
 
IfAt1st

IfAt1st

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Capt. Factorial said:
So I'd say yes, Karl did do a pretty darn good job with his role players.
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Like I've mentioned for months, it doesn't matter how the roleplayers looked for the most part under Karl.
They were playing in pageant games the vast majority of their minutes.
The only games that showed what these roleplayers could do was in the first 16-20 games.
And Omri was the only one of them worth keeping (and possibly Reggie Evans, actually, back when he remembered he could rebound) other than Miller who's skills were obvious regardless of the non-competitive nature of the games he played in with us.

Derrick Williams performance was completely fool's gold. Realizing that was his contract half-year, noone who has watched his career should expect him to remotely play that focused again, until he is months away from his next contract ending.
 
Warhawk

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Albatros said:
a bit more of the team playing together, I don't see how this is such a weird concept to grasp, It's not any one thing or any two things, it's everything. consistency, growth, coaching, the offensive structure, will the defense hold up? Is Cuz's growth going to maintain? (it did we saw that!) hows Nik's growth curve, etc etc etc etc etc it's like in any sport if a team wins 5 in a row you don't just say "god damn we've done it! I don't need to see 10 games 5 is enough to know absolutely everything about this team"

and where did I suggest "whitewashing" events (how one can do that on an internet forum I have no idea, this isn't watergate.) I just don't see where going over and over and over the fact that firing Malone was a ridiculous decision is going to get us, Malone aint the coach any more, did it ruin a potentially good season, yes. The end. My issue is just how good that season was going to be, and the kind of heights Malone would have taken us too long term.
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Maybe I misunderstood what you posted earlier? I also wanted to see more, as in more Malone with a healthy Boogie and a better bench. I guess we agree after all, as I think it was pretty clear where we were headed with Malone at the helm - our first playoff berth in quite a while.
 
Capt. Factorial

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IfAt1st said:
Like I've mentioned for months, it doesn't matter how the roleplayers looked for the most part under Karl.
They were playing in pageant games the vast majority of their minutes.
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Just because we didn't have much to play for at that point doesn't mean our opponents didn't.

Spurs x2
Clippers x2
Grizzlies x2
Hawks x2
Wizards x2
Pelicans x2
Rockets
Blazers
Celtics
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Thunder
Heat
Hornets x2

So that's 15 games against teams in the playoffs and another 4 games against teams that were fighting to get into the playoffs. 19 of our final 30 opponents (Karl coached 30 games) were clearly not tanking. I just don't see how those get dismissed as "pageant" games.

The question was whether Karl got the most out of his roleplayers. It looks to me like he did, and mostly against good teams that had reason to win. I don't see a good argument for saying that doesn't count.
 
IfAt1st

IfAt1st

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Capt. Factorial said:
Just because we didn't have much to play for at that point doesn't mean our opponents didn't.
I just don't see how those get dismissed as "pageant" games.

The question was whether Karl got the most out of his roleplayers. It looks to me like he did, and mostly against good teams that had reason to win. I don't see a good argument for saying that doesn't count.
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You missed the point, or you're purposely being obtuse.

Most of the games that were against "playoff" teams were so noncompetitive, the numbers put up in them don't mean anything. When the Kings lose to the Clippers 116-105 (with DMC and Collison out) and the game was never really close, is anyone excited about Andre Miller going 8 for 11 and Stauskas going 4 for 6?
And there were tons of games like this.
And the stats put up against teams that wanted to lose mean even less.
3 games meant anything at all from the last 30:
Kings beat Grizzlies 2/25, 102-90
Kings beat Wizards 3/24, 109-86
Kings beat Suns 3/25, 108-99
 
Capt. Factorial

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IfAt1st said:
You missed the point, or you're purposely being obtuse.
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Neither.

I just think that your argument, which appears to be "absolutely nothing that happens on the court matters at all unless we beat a team that is significantly better than we are, and everything else is pure pageantry", is a poor argument.
 
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IfAt1st said:
You missed the point, or you're purposely being obtuse.

Most of the games that were against "playoff" teams were so noncompetitive, the numbers put up in them don't mean anything. When the Kings lose to the Clippers 116-105 (with DMC and Collison out) and the game was never really close, is anyone excited about Andre Miller going 8 for 11 and Stauskas going 4 for 6?
And there were tons of games like this.
And the stats put up against teams that wanted to lose mean even less.
3 games meant anything at all from the last 30:
Kings beat Grizzlies 2/25, 102-90
Kings beat Wizards 3/24, 109-86
Kings beat Suns 3/25, 108-99
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10 years ago no....but now I'm super excited
 
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