WOJ: Sessions on Hornets radar

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#31
Again, I'm not Biyombo's biggest fan, but he's 22, and an above average rebounder and shot-blocker. Nothing offensively, but doesn't take what he can't make. There's still hope for him to turn into a defensive impact maker, even if it's off the bench.

I may be swayed by the fact that I want to turn off the game every time Sessions is in. He literally makes us worse when he's on the floor.
I certainly agree with your last line. However, if you were to take a poll around the league, I think you'd find that Sessions has more value than Biyombo. Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things. My point is that I think Sessions, and I almost choke saying this, is worth more than Biyombo. If I could get a high second round pick thrown in, then maybe I'd bite, since Biyombo is on the last year of his contract.
 

Capt. Factorial

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#35
Biyombo is still young and can still imporve. Session, not so much.
True, but as we stand right now I doubt we have the coaching to actually turn Biyombo around. Given that it's his final year of Biyombo's contract and Corbin looks to be installed until the summer, it kind of feels like acquiring Biyombo would be a wasted move.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#36
True, but as we stand right now I doubt we have the coaching to actually turn Biyombo around. Given that it's his final year of Biyombo's contract and Corbin looks to be installed until the summer, it kind of feels like acquiring Biyombo would be a wasted move.
I'd love to give it a try but you are right.
 

hrdboild

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#38
Sessions is not an asset, and he's set to make 2 million next season. If Charlotte is interested, trade him for a 2nd rounder and/or expiring contracts.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#39
trade him for a couple of 2nd round draft choices....
We don't have a lot of 2nd round draft choices. Most were traded away for players like Biyombo. Is there a lesson there? Why are we always trying to acquire other teams trash? This is the pattern that needs to change. We need to develop our own trash, or good players, instead of discarding them when we have them, and then trying to reacquire them a couple of years later. Now everyone wants to see if Hassan Whiteside is a free agent this coming off season. Well guess what, he was our player and we let him go. Some have mentioned how Thomas Robinson has developed into a player that could help us. Guess what, we had him and got rid of him.

This organization, and we fans in general have no patience. If a player comes in and doesn't immediately produce, then he's labeled as garbage, and we want him gone. If it's an occasional player, I have no problem with it, but when it's just about every player that comes down the pike, then it's destructive. This organization has no real developmental program. Our D-League, which should be exactly that, has been turned into Frankenstein's monster. I'm not saying that we shouldn't trade a young upcoming player for value at another position, but that a player should have more value when we trade him, than when we acquired him. Good teams develop players and help them improve.

This is a selfish organization from the top down. We have an owner that selfishly wants to change how the game of basketball is played. We have a GM that selfishly wants to put his label on the team at the expense of destroying what progress was made. And we have players that selfishly look for their own shot first, and their teammates second. And I'm not indicting all the players, or everyone in management. I'm referring to a cancerous culture that is destroying the organization from within. This is a bad basketball team, and I'm not referring to the talent level. And, I was using the word TEAM loosely.
 

hrdboild

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#40
We don't have a lot of 2nd round draft choices. Most were traded away for players like Biyombo. Is there a lesson there? Why are we always trying to acquire other teams trash? This is the pattern that needs to change. We need to develop our own trash, or good players, instead of discarding them when we have them, and then trying to reacquire them a couple of years later. Now everyone wants to see if Hassan Whiteside is a free agent this coming off season. Well guess what, he was our player and we let him go. Some have mentioned how Thomas Robinson has developed into a player that could help us. Guess what, we had him and got rid of him.

This organization, and we fans in general have no patience. If a player comes in and doesn't immediately produce, then he's labeled as garbage, and we want him gone. If it's an occasional player, I have no problem with it, but when it's just about every player that comes down the pike, then it's destructive. This organization has no real developmental program. Our D-League, which should be exactly that, has been turned into Frankenstein's monster. I'm not saying that we shouldn't trade a young upcoming player for value at another position, but that a player should have more value when we trade him, than when we acquired him. Good teams develop players and help them improve.

This is a selfish organization from the top down. We have an owner that selfishly wants to change how the game of basketball is played. We have a GM that selfishly wants to put his label on the team at the expense of destroying what progress was made. And we have players that selfishly look for their own shot first, and their teammates second. And I'm not indicting all the players, or everyone in management. I'm referring to a cancerous culture that is destroying the organization from within. This is a bad basketball team, and I'm not referring to the talent level. And, I was using the word TEAM loosely.
Not disagreeing with any of this, but I think the post you quoted was suggesting that we trade Sessions for someone else's second round picks, not trade our own picks for Biyombo.

In this type of deal, the main reason you trade for a guy like Biyombo is that he's a 3.8 million dollar expiring contract that we can trade for to shave some money off next year's cap figure. If Sessions is below both McCallum and Collison in the depth chart already, and we're still looking at upgrading the PG position somehow in the offseason (either by trade, free agency, or draft), than just getting Sessions' 2 million dollar contract off next year's roster is a win for us. Biyombo would get a couple months to maybe earn himself a spot next year on a team that needs an active defender, but that's not why you target him in a Sessions trade.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#41
Not disagreeing with any of this, but I think the post you quoted was suggesting that we trade Sessions for someone else's second round picks, not trade our own picks for Biyombo.

In this type of deal, the main reason you trade for a guy like Biyombo is that he's a 3.8 million dollar expiring contract that we can trade for to shave some money off next year's cap figure. If Sessions is below both McCallum and Collison in the depth chart already, and we're still looking at upgrading the PG position somehow in the offseason (either by trade, free agency, or draft), than just getting Sessions' 2 million dollar contract off next year's roster is a win for us. Biyombo would get a couple months to maybe earn himself a spot next year on a team that needs an active defender, but that's not why you target him in a Sessions trade.
Yeah, I was speaking in general in reference to several posts. I just happened to choose that one as my launch platform. Look, I have no problem getting rid of Sessions. He's been terrible, and frankly I cringe when he enters the game now. The money he's making doesn't bother me as much as how he's playing. Right now, I think I'd pay someone to take him. Well, not really, but that's how bad it's gotten. My overall point though has nothing to do with Sessions, but more to do with the current culture of the team. They have changed it, but not for the better.
 
#42
We don't have a lot of 2nd round draft choices. Most were traded away for players like Biyombo. Is there a lesson there? Why are we always trying to acquire other teams trash? This is the pattern that needs to change. We need to develop our own trash, or good players, instead of discarding them when we have them, and then trying to reacquire them a couple of years later. Now everyone wants to see if Hassan Whiteside is a free agent this coming off season. Well guess what, he was our player and we let him go. Some have mentioned how Thomas Robinson has developed into a player that could help us. Guess what, we had him and got rid of him.

This organization, and we fans in general have no patience. If a player comes in and doesn't immediately produce, then he's labeled as garbage, and we want him gone. If it's an occasional player, I have no problem with it, but when it's just about every player that comes down the pike, then it's destructive. This organization has no real developmental program. Our D-League, which should be exactly that, has been turned into Frankenstein's monster. I'm not saying that we shouldn't trade a young upcoming player for value at another position, but that a player should have more value when we trade him, than when we acquired him. Good teams develop players and help them improve.

This is a selfish organization from the top down. We have an owner that selfishly wants to change how the game of basketball is played. We have a GM that selfishly wants to put his label on the team at the expense of destroying what progress was made. And we have players that selfishly look for their own shot first, and their teammates second. And I'm not indicting all the players, or everyone in management. I'm referring to a cancerous culture that is destroying the organization from within. This is a bad basketball team, and I'm not referring to the talent level. And, I was using the word TEAM loosely.
Players that were Kings and played well when they left:

Omri Casspi
JJ Hickson
James Johnson
Chuck Hayes
Patrick Patterson
Greivis Vasquez
Beno Udrih
Tyreke Evans
Jimmer Freddette
Hassan Whiteside
Thomas Robinson
Cole Aldrich
Aaron Brooks
Quincy Acy
Isaiah Thomas
Samuel Dalembert
Spencer Hawes
Kevin Martin
Sergio Rodriguez (Europe)
Drew Gooden
Metta World Peace

OK, that is all the way back through the 2007-2008 season. Guys that left and were a positive on another team. I think only the former Ron Artest went to a team and won it all. But the Kings old pre Rudy Gay bench looks pretty good in Toronto. Beno has always been steady. Tyreke has played well for NOP. How many guys on that list would be in an 8 man rotation for the Kings right now?

I count about 12 because a couple of those guys are done.
 

Capt. Factorial

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#43
Players that were Kings and played well when they left:

Jimmer Freddette
You might want to look at Jimmer's stats this year again. Time for a multiple-choice question:

Jimmer's only notable skill is shooting the three-pointer. As of now, what is Jimmer's three-point percentage this year?
A. .444
B. .333
C. .222
D. You're kidding, .222?!?
 
#44
The Pelicans just knocked off the Hawks. I watched part of the game and have the rest on the DVR waiting. With my own eyeballs I saw Jimmer play backup point guard and do a pretty damn good job. So yes, Sacramento Jimmer could not bring the ball up. NOP Jimmer is effective on that team. He played 20 minutes in a big win. IMO he is now a much better player than when he was a King.
 
#45
This is not in response to any particular post, just some food for thought:
-SIGN COACH KARL ASAP.. Corbins lost and doesn't seem to connect with the players
-Make this trade happen with sessions the guy is awful and we pay him I think around 3 mil/yr
-Try to make a trade or trades to get Thompson and Dwill out of there, they seem to have no basketball iq and haven't progressed since they've entered the league
-Dump Landry , hes about to make 6.5 mil for the next 4 years
-Attempt to trade Nik for a decent backup sg or 2nd rounder, really doesn't seem like he'll get much better if any
-If we get a solid 4 that has defense and can contribute somewhat offensively, it could really help Cuz out
-Clear out our bench as much as possible and add depth, keep McCallum I think he will continue to progress and he has a cheap 2nd round rookie contract, but really look to add decent depth to the bench
-Possibly sign a decent sg in free agency, preferably an upgrade to Ben
-Aaron Affalo, Paul Milsap, Greg Monroe, Gerald Green, and Wesley Mathews are all set to be unrestriced free agents at the en of the year. If we could get 1 of these sg and pf's, our team could contribute this year and the years to come.
-The cap numbers for 2015-16 are now projected to be $66.5 million and $81.0 million, respectively
-If we got rid of Thompson, DWill (unrestricted), Landry(unless he steps it up this season), Nik, and Sessions, we could have around 28 mil for free agency and trades.
-I know we'd take a cap hit for 4 of these guys, but we'd still be better off with it and adding some legit "nba" skilled guys rather than dragging it out and having another losing season