Tyreke and Jimmer Watch, 2014-2015 Season Edition
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Well, he can't shoot. That's not breaking news.
He was most efficient as a point guard. And since his rookie season, he's been asked to do everything but play point guard. Who could have imagined that putting him in a position where he is not able to capitalize on his physical advantages would cause his efficiency to go down?
He was most efficient as a point guard. And since his rookie season, he's been asked to do everything but play point guard. Who could have imagined that putting him in a position where he is not able to capitalize on his physical advantages would cause his efficiency to go down?
Tyreke only works when he gets to play PG and is the #1 option. With Davis injured in that game, he played his game. He didn't have to worry about setting up AD for every shot, despite him having over 10asts+ he let his game come to him.
Tyreke can only be a franchise player or a 6th man. Any other position and you don't get Tyreke... you get some other player that looks like Tyreke.
Tyreke can only be a franchise player or a 6th man. Any other position and you don't get Tyreke... you get some other player that looks like Tyreke.
Silly.
I would argue that Tyreke Evans is actually the man who makes the Pelicans go, and the +/- numbers would back me up. their offense scores 113.8pts per 100 possessions with Reke on the floor, only 100.9 with him off it. That's nearly as big a split as Davis (113.6on, 99.0off).
His game is the one that has truly unlocked this Davis beast. Not only having an ability so elite that it consistently draws defensive attention, but in a perfect combination of results for a 6'11" stringbean jumping jack. Evans drives, people idiotically leave Davis to come help, he dishes to Davis, voila. Evans drives, makes layup. voila. Evans drives, misses layup, 6'11" stringbean bounces in to clean up, again voila. Tyreke is the guy making that all happen, even when he's missing. He breakls down defenses, scrambles the game, draws attention, and that's all Davis needs.
I truly don't understand the idiotic need for opposing bigs to race over and leave Davis to help though. How many 30pt games does a guy have to have before they figure out the stay home lesson? I think I'd jsut buy an aluminum bat and kneecap the first big on my team to move more than atrms length from Davis for any reason. Hopefully the others would get the lesson from the example set. Hate to dent up a perfectly good bat.
I would argue that Tyreke Evans is actually the man who makes the Pelicans go, and the +/- numbers would back me up. their offense scores 113.8pts per 100 possessions with Reke on the floor, only 100.9 with him off it. That's nearly as big a split as Davis (113.6on, 99.0off).
His game is the one that has truly unlocked this Davis beast. Not only having an ability so elite that it consistently draws defensive attention, but in a perfect combination of results for a 6'11" stringbean jumping jack. Evans drives, people idiotically leave Davis to come help, he dishes to Davis, voila. Evans drives, makes layup. voila. Evans drives, misses layup, 6'11" stringbean bounces in to clean up, again voila. Tyreke is the guy making that all happen, even when he's missing. He breakls down defenses, scrambles the game, draws attention, and that's all Davis needs.
I truly don't understand the idiotic need for opposing bigs to race over and leave Davis to help though. How many 30pt games does a guy have to have before they figure out the stay home lesson? I think I'd jsut buy an aluminum bat and kneecap the first big on my team to move more than atrms length from Davis for any reason. Hopefully the others would get the lesson from the example set. Hate to dent up a perfectly good bat.
But it's really tough for Tyreke because he doesn't play PG for the Pelicans. We saw it in Sac, when he wasn't playing PG, he wasn't very efficient for us. They should make Tyreke their PG and find a real SF. Have Holiday come off the bench or trade him for pieces. Tyreke plays best at PG, like you stated. When he's free to do whatever he wants. Having Davis not in gave him more room to play his game. He was the one handling the ball that game. Usually there's 3 offensive players on their team at the same time. Yesterday there was 2.
It sucks because we all know that Tyreke is best at the 1. It's why him and Anderson worked really well off the bench last season.
It sucks because we all know that Tyreke is best at the 1. It's why him and Anderson worked really well off the bench last season.
What's funny to me is that, as down as I am on Eric Gordon, and as obvious as it is that the three of them together don't work, I'm starting to wonder if I might have had it wrong: They've tried Holiday and Gordon, and it doesn't work great. They've tried Holiday and Evans, and it's not much better. They've tried all three of them, and that's an absolute cluster****. Aside from injuries, why haven't they tried Evans and Gordon? That might actually work.
It doesn't really matter who's labelled as the 1 or the 2, what matters is who does the majority of the ballhandling. Can happen either at the 1 or the 2. When Reke has it going for NO, they give him the rock, whether Jrue is out there or not or whether he's listed as the PG or not. You can be the main handler at the 2 or the 3. Likewise, you can have your handling duties severely cut down at the 1, like we've seen previously with a Fisher or Chalmers type, or as it pertains to this discussion, Jrue when Reke has to going. Being listed as the 1, 2 or 3 or anything else is more related to what position you guard.
The problem I see is Jrue isn't do well playing off Reke. When Jrue gets it, he's looking to go 1v1 and use his midrange game, he's not a good spot up shooter nor does he drive to create for others. Jrue is actually more a natural SG than Reke, just stuck in a PG's body and a guy who needs his dribble. So to Slim's point, Gordon might work better as he's better suited for the off the ball, catch and shot role. And since Reke is better than Jrue at getting into the paint, collapsing the defense and creating looks for others, in theory Gordon could be a better fit.
The problem I see is Jrue isn't do well playing off Reke. When Jrue gets it, he's looking to go 1v1 and use his midrange game, he's not a good spot up shooter nor does he drive to create for others. Jrue is actually more a natural SG than Reke, just stuck in a PG's body and a guy who needs his dribble. So to Slim's point, Gordon might work better as he's better suited for the off the ball, catch and shot role. And since Reke is better than Jrue at getting into the paint, collapsing the defense and creating looks for others, in theory Gordon could be a better fit.
This is not actually true.
His efficiency is, indeed, way down, because of his shooting percentages, but he is not, in fact, putting up worse numbers than his last year in Sacramento. He's averaging more points, more rebounds, and more assists (and is, in fact, on pace to set career highs in both those latter two categories), and when you adjust for his role on that team, it's arguably more impressive: Evans is second on the team in scoring, assists and steals, and third in rebounds, and most Pelicans fans seem to treat him like they think he ought to be the fifth option.
His efficiency is, indeed, way down, because of his shooting percentages, but he is not, in fact, putting up worse numbers than his last year in Sacramento. He's averaging more points, more rebounds, and more assists (and is, in fact, on pace to set career highs in both those latter two categories), and when you adjust for his role on that team, it's arguably more impressive: Evans is second on the team in scoring, assists and steals, and third in rebounds, and most Pelicans fans seem to treat him like they think he ought to be the fifth option.
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He's got the ball more and he's playing more mins, even the year before he left he was putting up 16.5ppg and nearly 5,5 on better %'s, he's pretty much still the same player it's not like he's got amazingly better playing with the Pelicans. That was in response to someone saying all the players that have left are now all of a sudden "better" than here, His numbers for the most part have been slightly worse than his last 2 seasons in Sacramento.
Evans getting the ball more doesn't explain why he's on pace to set a new career high in rebounds, and I doubt it explains why he's on track to straight lap his career best in net +/-. He's also on track to have a higher "points generated by assists" ratio than his entire Kings career, and it's right on line with his ROY rate, even though he's still not getting the ball nearly as much as he did then.
The point is you said that his numbers are worse than they were his last year in Sacramento and, when confronted with proof to the contrary, you moved the goalposts.
The point is you said that his numbers are worse than they were his last year in Sacramento and, when confronted with proof to the contrary, you moved the goalposts.
Yeah this is quite spot on. The Pelicans have had Tyreke handling the ball most of the time regardless of the position he's listed at for them. Babbitt is actually a good player to have on the floor with Tyreke because he's a good floor spacer. Jrue ... not so much. Same for Austin Rivers who is often second off the bench and typically will end up handling the ball more than Evans. Rivers can't shoot a lick either. Anyone who's been watching the Pelicans can see that their offense mainly consists of Evans driving and dishing to Asik/Davis around the rim, Evans driving and kicking out to a 3 point shooter, finding Davis at the free throw line for jumpers, Jrue Holiday 1 on 1 midrange stuff, and lastly Ryan Anderson just chucking away from all over the court.
When Evans is missing his layups to no end, then that whole driving part doesn't really work out for them. Likewise when Anderson isn't hitting shots. Then they lose games.
When Evans is missing his layups to no end, then that whole driving part doesn't really work out for them. Likewise when Anderson isn't hitting shots. Then they lose games.
Terrible showing against the 76ers of all teams. I thought Evans played the game completely wrong. When you're missing AD and Jrue Holiday and Ryan Anderson is busy going 2-11, how the heck can you only attempt 7 shots? He was trying to set guys up and whatnot but Asik would just miss all his dunks or never catch the ball. Couple that with Philly having more athleticism on their team than we've had combined in the last 10 years and you get 7 turnovers. Asik has got to be one of the most slowfooted/clumsy bigs in the NBA. It takes Asik more time just bending down to get a loose ball on the floor than it does Darren Collison to run one end of the court to the other. I thought Monty also botched it big time with his rotations earlier in the game, going back to Asik who was doing absolutely nothing for the team when Ajinca was on a roll. The Pelicans are designed as an inside out team but didn't have a inside threat and were playing Ryan Anderson in the post instead. Just awful all around.
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