Try get Gerald Henderson?

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KingMilz

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Contract status: Making $3.1 million in final contract year. Will be restricted free agent at end of the season.Buzz: Henderson averaged 15.1 points last season and seemed to be coming into his own. A foot injury early this season, however, forced him to miss 13 games. The Bobcats have since primarily started rookie Jeff Taylor instead and a league source said the team is open to trading Henderson.
"If they don't look like they can afford him, they are probably going to move him," one NBA GM said. "They were playing their best basketball when he was hurt."
A extremely athletic 2 guard who can also defend SF's and yes HE CAN SHOOT and well as be a lockdown defender and hes not really making a lot atm. He doesn't need to stop the ball to score not is he a ball stopper. Im not 100% sure who to give up for him but hell a SF/SG combo of Gerald Henderson and Tyreke Evans sounds damn good to me.
 
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Hes a former Duke player whose ultra athletic and can space the floor and tries hard on defense and is 100 times the player John Salmons is right now and would easily be our 3rd best player if Cousins and Reke stay.
 

bajaden

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I like Henderson, but first of all, he's a SG, and thats all he is in my opinion. Can he defend SF's? Sure, he can try, just like Thornton does, but its certainly not preferable. Henderson is 6'5" and I'm sick to death with undersized players trying to defend players 2 to 4 inches taller than them. Secondly, Henderson has never been a good 3pth shooter until this year, and he wisely took very few 3pt shots per game as a result until, once again this season. His first three years in the league he took a little less than a half a shot a game from beyond the arc, and shot under 30% all three years. This year, before being injured, he was 7 for 14 from beyond the arc through I think, 9 games.

Would I like to have him? Sure, depending on what we would have to give up. He's very athletic, and he's a good defender. But to be honest, I'd rather have Jeffery Taylor, who at 6'7" can defend SF's in the league as well as defending PG's and SG's. Taylor may have been the best athlete in the last draft, and Taylor is a good 3pt shooter, as well as being a good mid-range shooter. Unfortunately, I think the Cats have already fallen in love with Taylor, so I doubt he would be available.
 

Bricklayer

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Henderson is solid. But he's got an overwhelming defect: he's a SG. Pretty much a pure one. A little larger than Thornton. Probably a little smaller than Reke . Adn so you have a solid guy...but a guy who we can't fit at all with Reke and Thornton both here, and who would be just about as awkward a fit as Thornton even if Marcus was moved. Grow him 4 inches and make him a SF and I'm interested in a guy like that. As is...
 
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I thought I would bump this a year later with the now Hornets getting Sir Lance as there starting SG, I would be willing to offer up a number of our young players to try get him.
 

kingsboi

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Henderson is now expendable because Lance coming on board. I wouldn't mind bringing him here because he would be an upgrade over what we have here, plus he puts effort into playing defense, yay!
 

hrdboild

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Jeff Taylor is suspended from the team indefinitely until his domestic violence case is resolved. That may be what you're thinking of.
 

Bricklayer

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Sorry, had it wrong. Was Jeff Taylor on domestic assault, not Gerald Henderson.

Henderson is wildly mediocre BTW. But wildly medicore would be a huge upgrade for us. Biggest question would be he's not a great deep shooter again, but I guess that would hardly be a downgrade. If he's healthy and the Bobcats want to avoid paying him and just reset the clock, maybe we could get them to bite on Ben as a cheap replacement to develop. Of course the way the owners are going he'd probably end up asking for max next year.
 
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he would be an upgrade, but not really an ideal fit between darren and gay. we'd be devoid of someone who could score from the perimeter (someone like isaiah thomas). that said, we shouldn't be letting darren collison dictate the moves we make.
 
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+1 to Brick's point that he's mediocre but an upgrade.

He's an athletic, smart 2-guard who can share the ball and defend well. He's a decent rebounder and mid-range shooter who knows his role on offense. 3-point shooting is his weakness, as has been stated ad nauseum.

I think he'd be a solid upgrade over Ben and a starter while Nick develops - he'd really shore up the hole we'll have on defense on that position as well as moving the ball (always has had a nice A/TO ratio).

Charlotte desperately needs backup frontcourt depth; Zeller and Maxiell aren't going to cut it. A JT/Henderson trade would work well for both teams.
 
#17
Meh. Feels like a bit of a lateral move. Do we need his defense? He can't shoot from 3. What would we have to give up? I'd definitely do it for Williams straight up :D
 
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I'd do it. He's got good size and strength for defense against all the SG's and can guard many smaller forwards.

Gives us a solid player to go with, while Nik learns the NBA game
 
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Meh. Feels like a bit of a lateral move. Do we need his defense? He can't shoot from 3. What would we have to give up? I'd definitely do it for Williams straight up :D
Neither can Ben, I must say Hendo looks super rusty so far coming back from injury he actually has not been much better than Ben at this point but I'm fairly confident it's temporary.
 
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Neither can Ben, I must say Hendo looks super rusty so far coming back from injury he actually has not been much better than Ben at this point but I'm fairly confident it's temporary.
Right. So why go and trade for another player that also can't shoot the 3? If we can't shoot from 3 then why try to bring in a guy who also can't shoot it from there?
 
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Right. So why go and trade for another player that also can't shoot the 3? If we can't shoot from 3 then why try to bring in a guy who also can't shoot it from there?
He can shoot mid range and defend well, while being a solid glue guy.
 

Bricklayer

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Right. So why go and trade for another player that also can't shoot the 3? If we can't shoot from 3 then why try to bring in a guy who also can't shoot it from there?
He's 1000x as solid at everything else, knows what he is, can flat out play. The lack of a three is unfortunate, but given our current status we would basically get no worse from 3, get better/more professional in every other way, and have a 30+ min pro SG out there.

The problem with getting a 3pt shooter, which we desperately need, is that the few who can also play D are valued and hard to acquire. So much as I desperately want to get a 3pt shooter, when you get 1, you could easily gain 3pt shooting, but lose defense. With Hendersen you don't lose anything. He's a good defender, and he's pretty good at almost everything. Worhless as a carry you 1st/2nd option type. But a real solid talent when you're trying to stack those up and et enough to win with.

Here's our situation right now:

2014-15, Tyreke Evans 3pt shots made: 7
2014-15, all 5 Kings guards 3pt shots made: 8

It is impossible to hurt that situation. if we could bring back Reke himself it would help our shooting. :D
 
#23
uhh..this is awkward. I was so confused by the comments of Tyreke and Thornton... then I realized it was from 2012! Here's a trade I'd do... anyone down for it?

D-Will+Ben for Gerald Henderson+PJ Hairston... I think this is a little one sided, but maybe they're high on Ben :D?

Or maybe just D-Will+Ben for Henderson? I think we should still wait a while on Ben and not be so quick to trade him. I still see his potential.
 

Entity

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I don't understand the issue with ppl still wanting JT traded. Why would you mess with the frontcourt chemistry at this point? The SG spot could def be shaken up at this point as it has basically been a revolving door of 4-5 players thus far this young season. Eventually somebody will stick. I am still liking the Terrance Williams idea as it improves defense ( even though Ben has improved) it also improves ball handling and 3 pt shooting. Plus apparently chemistry already exist with our franchise player.
 
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I don't understand the issue with ppl still wanting JT traded. Why would you mess with the frontcourt chemistry at this point? The SG spot could def be shaken up at this point as it has basically been a revolving door of 4-5 players thus far this young season. Eventually somebody will stick. I am still liking the Terrance Williams idea as it improves defense ( even though Ben has improved) it also improves ball handling and 3 pt shooting. Plus apparently chemistry already exist with our franchise player.
I don't think we should trade any of our PF/Cs. They've played GREAT for us. I consider D-Will a SF...
 
#27
I think we should still wait a while on Ben and not be so quick to trade him. I still see his potential.
Although, if we wait much longer and he continues to not "get it done", then he's lost the trade value of..."odds are he'll come around soon".

I go all chips in on Nik, as the real future prospect, get a solid experienced guard now, and move Ben sooner.. not later
 
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Although, if we wait much longer and he continues to not "get it done", then he's lost the trade value of..."odds are he'll come around soon".
I go all chips in on Nik, as the real future prospect, get a solid experienced guard now, and move Ben sooner.. not later
So far Ben and Nik are on different planets defensively. Nik is obviously a rookie, a smart player, who will undoubtedly get stronger, better at reading offenses, and so becomes about average defender. BMac OTH is showing signs of elite defensive potential. I'd hold onto him for a while, given that his offense, which Kings don't need much of outside of just hitting open shots, just might start going. BMac has great work ethic - whatever his ceiling is, he will reach it, and it feels, Malone knows, how to guide him there.
 
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So far Ben and Nik are on different planets defensively. Nik is obviously a rookie, a smart player, who will undoubtedly get stronger, better at reading offenses, and so becomes about average defender. BMac OTH is showing signs of elite defensive potential. I'd hold onto him for a while, given that his offense, which Kings don't need much of outside of just hitting open shots, just might start going. BMac has great work ethic - whatever his ceiling is, he will reach it, and it feels, Malone knows, how to guide him there.
Hmm, I just watched Nik play very solid defense against Bledsoe. Don't think his defense is on a different planet from Ben's at all. They both have been about as solid as you could ask for, for where they are in their careers