3-pt shooter needs

Lin has another year on his contract and it's the insanely expensive one, where the cap sheet says he earns $8.3M, but he actually gets nearly $15M.

that's great. it's a contract dump trade for us landry and change for lin

hey, if they wanna do Landry+Evans, whose contracts match up very nicely with Lin's, then I'm all for it. hell, they can make it bigger and send Asik (same situation as Lin, as far as the contract is concerned) our way and we stick Terry and Outlaw in there, for all I care. not the kind of trade Morey would make, though, I'm afraid.

lol, yep, however they'll have a ton of capspace when their contracts expire.

Looking at the draft after PDA's press conference lunch this week, Nik Stauskas looks to be the idea fit for the Kings. Getting baja's vote as well.

At the point you are talking about drafting Nik Stauskas, once wonders why you wouldn't go for my Ben + Nik + dump Landry's contract deal and get back the PROVEN player of that type in Klay Thompson.

Lin is nowhere near 6'5". He's listed officially 6'3" and that's bit generous. Lin-sanity with Knicks was a flash in the pan fun little stretch while it lasted. Lost his starters job in Houston as now merely decent but overpaid back-up point guard.

I might go for that in the event you could indeed get Klay Thompson. I personally think that Stauskas can be another Klay Thompson. Who knows, maybe better. Of course that may make McLemore expendable to be used in a trade. Or not. At this moment in time, Stauskas is a better player than Ben. Better ballhandler, better shooter and better at getting to the basket. Plus he has a little PG in him. He's a very good passer, and he's a creative passer who understands the game. Plus, he's 6'6". The only advantage McLemore has on Stauskas is that he's more athletic.

Nik hasn't played a minute in the NBA. How do we know he is better than Ben? Didn't we just go through this with Jimmer with people telling us how great he was going to be before he stepped on an NBA court? Wasn't Ben the leading scorer for Kansas with an awesome outside shot? Klay Thompson wasn't as good as he is today the first year he played in the NBA. There are no guarantees in the draft.

As much as we need shooting, it's harder to find big men than it is to find shooters. If we are going to draft someone, draft a full sized PF and look for a veteran shooter in free agency. Let Ben develop, as he could end up being as good as Klay, or better based on what I've seen. I'm not ready to back away from that now, and I have a feeling that PDA isn't quitting yet either.

Even is Stauskas became an elite shooter like Klay you don't need to trade Ben. We would just have 2 potential great players and have them play 34minuets

One does wonder what it is you have seen. Other than him being a good athlete that is.

Whatever It is, if you want to win next year you can't have a failed rookie as your "outside shooting" option next year. He shot worse than Tyreke did the year before from the perimeter, and he comes with none of the rest of the stuff Reke brings. So yeah, Ben can be here, but if he's starting and being relied on that is a flat out fail by the front office, and literally puts the whole season at risk.

Or two potential nobodies. Relying on untested rooks is dangerous in the extreme. Relying on sophomores who already failed as rooks is even more dangerous.

We need at least one vet. One guy you KNOW is an NBAer, to hold down that role while the kids figure it out, or don't. Stack up unproven kids and you turn into Philadelphia. We should be headed the other way. How many untested rookies/sophomores do you see running around in the Dallas/San Antonio, Memphis/OKC, Portland/Houston, Clippers/Golden State series. One here, one there. Lillard who was only the rookie of the year. Hardly unproven. Terrence Jones maybe, who failed badly enough trying to guard Aldridge that he was benched before he ended Houston's season. Some backup minutes for Barnes. Whatever. Point being, those are the teams we need to be trying to emulate. Those are the teams we have to be competing with next year in order to make a playoff run. Unless a kid is special, he's going to get pantsed, spanked, and sent home crying by teams full of vets who know how its done. Its always nice to have some young potential on the bench even once you are a playoff team. But you rely on it to your peril.

Maybe I'm getting old and cranky, but I really get tired of explaining myself just because people either can't read, or suffer from lack of reader comprehension. At no point in my post did I unequivocally say that Stauskas is going to be better than Klay Thompson. I said that I thought he could be, with emphasis on could or can, as good as Thompson. And then I said Maybe, with emphasis on maybe, better. At no time did I use the term, would be, or will be, which is more definitive. In other words I was speculating about the possibilities.

But your absolutely right, Stauskas hasn't played a second in the NBA, so no one knows how good or bad he'll be. I'm just giving my opinion, which shouldn't be confused with fact. And my opinion is, that he's going to be a good player, maybe, which emphasis on maybe, a very good player. And while I agree with you that I'd rather have a good defensive big man, I can't conjure one up out of thin air and draft him. If Vonleh is there, then I draft him, but I don't think he'll be there at seven, which is why I'm talking about Stauskas.

Nor did I say that you said that Nik would be better than Klay. So maybe I do have some reading comprehension.

I'm not as concerned by the SG spot as others at this point, because if Rudy and IT come back, they're getting all the touches anyways. I understand about spreading the court with 3pt shooters, but our scoring wasn't slowed down. We had defensive struggles.

If we're stuck at 7 and Vonleh isn't available, go with BPA. I'm not sure Nik is it.

I see a player who played in a situation that was not conducive to growth. The pace of the game initially surprised him and he was immediately frozen out by other players on the court, when he didn't produce.

The final month of the season, it became obvious that coaching staff/ PDA wanted to give Ben an opportunity to get involved. Once he felt confident he would be able to learn without being frozen out by other players, he immediately started to grow.

Plain and simple, the potential is there and it's more about experience and growth than it is about talent and ability.

As far as Ben being a failure, I disagree. The roster failed together. This team did no better record wise whether Ben was starting or coming off the bench.

Kings Net Production (I'll just stick with the guys who were here by the end of the year):
Cousins +10.2
Thomas + 6.3
Gay +6.0
Williams -1.2
Evans -3.8
Outlaw -4.4
Thompson -5.4
Gray -7.1
McCallum -7.1
Cunningham -7.7
McLemore -8.9
Landry -9.8
Acy -10.5

Kings +/-
Thomas +9.3
Cousins +6.0
Thompson +5.5
Cunningham +3.8
Gay +2.6
Evans +0.6
Outlaw -2.3
Williams -2.7
McCalum -2.9
McLemore -3.7
Acy -5.2
Gray -9.2
Landry -11.4

Whatever may happen in the future, the kids just KILLED us this year. Mclemore more than any of them (unless you count Acy as a kid, which he kinda is).

I ask this knowing that it is purely for my own self indulgence but do you have Jimmer's numbers readily available? PM if you don't want to clutter up the board.

no clutter at all, I merely left off all the others because we had a ridiculous number of players this year in for short stints and long, and listing out 24 guys seemed excessive

Jimmer's Net Productiuon: -1.4
Jimmer's +/-: -3.6

you can get all this stuff from 82games.com

check out the five man lineups where mcthornton is replaced by mclemore. that shows how surprisingly much ben held the team back.

Any Idea what those numbers looked like from March on? He was getting some (somewhat) well deserved praise over the course of March and April. Not that he was playing great, but that he was finally showing SOMETHING.

His individual numbers improved, but I wonder if the team numbers back that up.

We cannot rely on Ben, but he showed some level of effectiveness at the end of the year. If he didn't show that, I'd be a lot more worried that I already am, and I'm worried.

I guess there has to be a scapegoat for a bad season. All those stats don't tell the whole story. It's a starting point of analysis, not the final answer.

Ben was not the reason the team failed. No guard on this team performed so well that it relegated Ben to the bench permanently. Whether Ben started or was sent to the d league, we weren't winning more than 28 games with this roster.

He did show progress during the last month of the season, especially in the last three games in which he was on a roll. I don't think annual stats have much value when it comes to rookies. Their early learning curve labor pains hide any improvement that is made at the latter part of the year.

I saw enough good in Ben for the last 10 games that unless we are getting back Al Horford or someone better while dropping Landry no way do we give up on him and a 7th pick for anything less than a legit All Star. I like Klay Thompson but I don't think he's worth two top 7 picks.

I was saying all year Ben's issues similar to what Hibbert is going through now are all mental, yes Ben sucked horrible for 3/4's of the season and I wanted to kill him but he showed he can easily play and has more than enough talent to be a good player while being probably one of the best fits we have for Cousins in that he plays off the ball very well.

Btw can Staskus play point foward like say a smaller Gordan Hayward?

no.

Always been a Morrow fan... dude can shoot.

I am officially off the Klay Thompson bandwagon. Just don't see him as a fit for the current core of Kings. Too many 1-on-1 situations now. It got better near end of season but still...... A few days ago I read online that Klay had the highest % in the NBA for times receiving the ball and not passing it. Sure he is a shooter but primarily a spot up shooter playing the 2. We have a young 2 now and Stauskas would give Kings two young, scoring 2's for a long time. As bajaden said Stauskas is kind of like a younger Klay now with more upside.

Am also no party to the anti-Landry whiners. The coach wanted him for specific reasons and his absence at the Warriors hurt them big time in the playoffs. He fits then new core of players in many respects and is a quality bench role player.

it would really behove him to show he can still play at his pre-injury level. otherwise that contract is straight up toxic. wasn't a fan of the signing at the time and his play after coming back has me even more paranoid. would really wish for him to come back at full strength, as I really like him as a player, but I'm getting nervous.

He is not a propper shooter, but vinsanity could be a good option. We need vetarans too

At this point in his career I don't think Carter is going to be strongly considering teams that are not in the championship hunt. He'll stay at Dallas, or jump to San Antonio, or Miami, or OKC, or Indiana, or the Clippers, or possibly Chicago, but he won't be thinking, "Oh, man, I gotta get to Sacramento and spend the last year or two of my career fighting to stay out of the lottery!"

Carter may be a good option for us; we would not be a good option for him.

How about Anthony Morrow? I'm sure he can be had for cheap.