Ongoing draft/lottery discussion [OPEN SPOILERS]
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I was thinking about this exact thing earlier today. How much have the Kings fortunes (or lack thereof) been affected over the past 30 years simply because the Rockets couldn't control themselves? The Kings have been hurt by the lottery process more than any other team. Just think about some of the players the Kings might have had if not for Houston. It's kinda crazy to think that your fortunes over such a long period of time could be so affected by another team and their lack of integrity.
I get what you're saying, but it's not like it would be hard to rig the lottery in some way that the representatives witnessing it wouldn't know. Think of a card shark that is able to base deal or pull any card out of the deck he wants when he wants. Happens all the time.
A lot of people subscribe the "frozen" envelope theory of the 1985 Patrick Ewing draft -- and we all witnessed that one -- but nobody knows for sure whether it happened or not.
I'm not saying it is fixed, but it wouldn't be hard for them to pull it off regardless who is watching.
Yeah - but that's what bugs me most. We've been in the position the Lakers were just in how many times? They've been in the lottery 2 times the past 30 years and already move up.
It makes you wonder.
I have to admit, this continues to bug me too. I get that Vivek has connections and friends over there, but he needs to realize that, as the top dog of this organization, he sets the example. Whether he likes it or not, showing up at Warriors games and doing what he did tonight with regard to the draft lottery reflects poorly on the organization.
I get what you're saying, but it's not like it would be hard to rig the lottery in some way that the representatives witnessing it wouldn't know. Think of a card shark that is able to base deal or pull any card out of the deck he wants when he wants. Happens all the time.
A lot of people subscribe the "frozen" envelope theory of the 1985 Patrick Ewing draft -- and we all witnessed that one -- but nobody knows for sure whether it happened or not.
I'm not saying it is fixed, but it wouldn't be hard for them to pull it off regardless who is watching.
Yeah - but that's what bugs me most. We've been in the position the Lakers were just in how many times? They've been in the lottery 2 times the past 30 years and already move up.
It makes you wonder.
Kings owner watching the draft lottery in the Warriors building with the Warriors GM.....
I have Orlando taking Porzingis in the thinking that they want him as the eventual replacement to Channing Frye and he fits next to Vucevic. No matter what one of Mudiaye, WCS or Winslow will slip to us. Mudiaye could potentially slip to us if New York reaches on Winslow(rumored to be their guy) with Orlando already having Oladipo and Payton. Or Orlando could go WCS and we get one of Mudiaye or Winslow.
1. Towns
2. Okafor
3. Russell
4. Winslow
5. Porzingis
6. Mudiaye or WCS
1. Towns
2. Okafor
3. Russell
4. Winslow
5. Porzingis
6. Mudiaye or WCS
Our best chance here is if one team picks up Winslow in the top 5. That's more like New York.
And since Orlando got Dipo and Payton, I doubt they will take whichever PG slides.
Orlando though, IMO, is a real threat to nab WCS since they don't really have a tall guy rim protector.
They got Harkless and Gordon that may be effective at 3 if Harris leaves.
So I really hope the Winslow goes top 5. The Harden + defenses comparison in some site could make a case for him in the top 5.
In this way, whoever falls to us is a legit need pick that's a PG or a PF.
And since Orlando got Dipo and Payton, I doubt they will take whichever PG slides.
Orlando though, IMO, is a real threat to nab WCS since they don't really have a tall guy rim protector.
They got Harkless and Gordon that may be effective at 3 if Harris leaves.
So I really hope the Winslow goes top 5. The Harden + defenses comparison in some site could make a case for him in the top 5.
In this way, whoever falls to us is a legit need pick that's a PG or a PF.
For once, the lottery played out in a fair way. Despite how much I would have reveled in the Lakers in losing their pick, it's perfectly reasonable for them to move into the top 3. And we had no OKC moving into the top 3 BS, which is great.
6 is a nice spot to be in and puts us in perfect position to draft the guy who can help us more than anyone next season, WCS. And it's not him or bust, which often happens when you're outside the top 5. If WCS is gone, we got a great shot at Stan Johnson, Winslow or even trading down and grabbing someone like Kaminsky. Regardless, there should be no excuse for us not to grab a player who can play a significant role next season.
6 is a nice spot to be in and puts us in perfect position to draft the guy who can help us more than anyone next season, WCS. And it's not him or bust, which often happens when you're outside the top 5. If WCS is gone, we got a great shot at Stan Johnson, Winslow or even trading down and grabbing someone like Kaminsky. Regardless, there should be no excuse for us not to grab a player who can play a significant role next season.
Harris will be in orlando next year and they need rim protection.
If WCS is gone do we go Winslow?
I see Bradley thing also. They wanted Lawson an they have 4 1st round picks excluding there own they can probably pick him up using those. They liked playing smart at 2 guard. I'd consider WCS/Landry for Bradley/ Olynyk then sign Johnson.
Harris will be in orlando next year and they need rim protection.
If WCS is gone do we go Winslow?
If WCS is gone do we go Winslow?
I see Bradley thing also. They wanted Lawson an they have 4 1st round picks excluding there own they can probably pick him up using those. They liked playing smart at 2 guard. I'd consider WCS/Landry for Bradley/ Olynyk then sign Johnson.
Harris will be in orlando next year and they need rim protection.
If WCS is gone do we go Winslow?
That's not entirely true.
per36 BPG
Dedmon: 2.1
O'Quinn: 1.7
Cauley-Stein: 2.3 (NCAA Level)
Height w/o Shoes
Dedmon: 6'10"
O'Quinn: 6'8.5"
Cauley-Stein: 6'11.25"
Wingspan
Dedmon: 7'4"
O'Quinn: 7'4.75"
Cauley-Stein: 7'3"
Standing Reach
Dedmon: 9'1"
O'Quinn: 8'10.5"
Cauley-Stein: 9'3"
Weight
Dedmon: 239 lbs
O'Quinn: 241 lbs
Cauley-Stein: 242 lbs
I think Cauley-Stein will turn out much better than both of those players, but both of them are defensive oriented bigs who can defend the rim. I can still see Orlando justifying taking him, but I really think they need to focus on grabbing a player who has a chance to be an offensive star. They already took a guy with limited offensive potential last year with their top pick (Gordon). I find it hard to believe they'll do the same thing once agian.
Winslow seems like a good replacement if Harris leaves. Hezonja is another good option on the wing as well. Porzingis makes sense considering his offensive potential and the hope that he at least becomes a rim protector who can space the floor. Lots of prospects who can put the ball in the basket where they are sitting.
I'll tell you what though. If Malone or Thibs were to go coach the Magic and they selected Cauley-Stein, a Payton/Oladipo/Gordon/Cauley-Stein/Vucevic lineup would be pretty studly on the defensive side. Floor spacing would be about as bad as you can get on offense.
per36 BPG
Dedmon: 2.1
O'Quinn: 1.7
Cauley-Stein: 2.3 (NCAA Level)
Height w/o Shoes
Dedmon: 6'10"
O'Quinn: 6'8.5"
Cauley-Stein: 6'11.25"
Wingspan
Dedmon: 7'4"
O'Quinn: 7'4.75"
Cauley-Stein: 7'3"
Standing Reach
Dedmon: 9'1"
O'Quinn: 8'10.5"
Cauley-Stein: 9'3"
Weight
Dedmon: 239 lbs
O'Quinn: 241 lbs
Cauley-Stein: 242 lbs
I think Cauley-Stein will turn out much better than both of those players, but both of them are defensive oriented bigs who can defend the rim. I can still see Orlando justifying taking him, but I really think they need to focus on grabbing a player who has a chance to be an offensive star. They already took a guy with limited offensive potential last year with their top pick (Gordon). I find it hard to believe they'll do the same thing once agian.
Winslow seems like a good replacement if Harris leaves. Hezonja is another good option on the wing as well. Porzingis makes sense considering his offensive potential and the hope that he at least becomes a rim protector who can space the floor. Lots of prospects who can put the ball in the basket where they are sitting.
I'll tell you what though. If Malone or Thibs were to go coach the Magic and they selected Cauley-Stein, a Payton/Oladipo/Gordon/Cauley-Stein/Vucevic lineup would be pretty studly on the defensive side. Floor spacing would be about as bad as you can get on offense.
Winslow would be a good consolation prize if we miss out on WCS.
If we end up with Hezonja or Porzingis, I'll be disappointed but cautiously optimistic. Both those guys will probably suck as rookies, but they also have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay higher ceilings than WCS.
Its funny, I feel like this is the first lotto that I havent been super pissed over. We didnt drop, AND we're guaranteed a shot at a good rookie.
If we end up with Hezonja or Porzingis, I'll be disappointed but cautiously optimistic. Both those guys will probably suck as rookies, but they also have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay higher ceilings than WCS.
Its funny, I feel like this is the first lotto that I havent been super pissed over. We didnt drop, AND we're guaranteed a shot at a good rookie.
Here is the video of the drawing:
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2015/05/19/2015-draft-lottery-drawing.nba/
While NOTHING is impossible, it looks to me like this would be very, very, very, very hard to fix. The ball which is selected is not selected by hand, it is selected by "air", and the number on the ball is visible while it is still in a "cage" before it can be touched. Can sleight-of-hand fix this? I doubt it, not with a video camera directly on the machine and thousands of NBA fans scouring the video desperate to catch them out. Can the ping pong ball machine be rigged to give the balls that the NBA wants? How? Those balls are getting mixed about like crazy. And it's not just one ball - it's four, because it's a combination.
I don't see how the NBA can possibly be more transparent about the drawing, and I don't really see how they can do it in such a way as to create less suspicion. But people will be suspicious anyway, that's just the way it is.
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2015/05/19/2015-draft-lottery-drawing.nba/
While NOTHING is impossible, it looks to me like this would be very, very, very, very hard to fix. The ball which is selected is not selected by hand, it is selected by "air", and the number on the ball is visible while it is still in a "cage" before it can be touched. Can sleight-of-hand fix this? I doubt it, not with a video camera directly on the machine and thousands of NBA fans scouring the video desperate to catch them out. Can the ping pong ball machine be rigged to give the balls that the NBA wants? How? Those balls are getting mixed about like crazy. And it's not just one ball - it's four, because it's a combination.
I don't see how the NBA can possibly be more transparent about the drawing, and I don't really see how they can do it in such a way as to create less suspicion. But people will be suspicious anyway, that's just the way it is.