Elfrid Peyton
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Seriously?
Are we going to have another, "Oh, so and so player had a couple good games, we really overdrafted this guy, fire [GM]". I remember back in 2012-2013 and 2014, everyone was crucifying Petrie for drafting DeMarcus over Paul George. Can we PLEASE stop complaining about things that are only problems in hindsight?
Are we going to have another, "Oh, so and so player had a couple good games, we really overdrafted this guy, fire [GM]". I remember back in 2012-2013 and 2014, everyone was crucifying Petrie for drafting DeMarcus over Paul George. Can we PLEASE stop complaining about things that are only problems in hindsight?
Uhm..Wiggins, Embiid, and Randle went before us.
Do you mean, you'd rather have Wiggins, Embiid, Parker, and Randle before Payton?
No way man. If we drafted Klay, he'd be receiving inconsistent minutes shooting at a borderline .300%. That's just my guess.
Uhm what if Cousins had gone to a deep Spurs team? Would he have been their next future face? Or would he have been a good big in their usual rotation?
Would he be more skilled with the Spurs by learning from Duncan? Or what?
Draft is a crapshoot.
Do you mean, you'd rather have Wiggins, Embiid, Parker, and Randle before Payton?
No way man. If we drafted Klay, he'd be receiving inconsistent minutes shooting at a borderline .300%. That's just my guess.
Uhm what if Cousins had gone to a deep Spurs team? Would he have been their next future face? Or would he have been a good big in their usual rotation?
Would he be more skilled with the Spurs by learning from Duncan? Or what?
Draft is a crapshoot.
Only people who don't understand talent say that. Payton was a stud. He was the starting PG for Team USA at the Under 19 competition in 2013 and outplayed Marcus Smart IMO. He was also the NCAA defensive player of the year. If he went to a bigger school, he would have been hyped like Wiggins and Parker. Personally, I'm not as mad that we passed on one of my favorite prospects in the draft (happens every year) as I'm mad that I knew Payton was a stud and people didn't believe me.
I loved Payton too. The reason why he was drafted 10th overall is because he can't shoot at all, but he was a smart scorer.
Everyone complains about floor spacing with Cuz, but how do you imagine floor spacing would be if we had Payton.. If we drafted Payton, how do you know he wouldn't be stuck behind Collison while showing small sample sizes of creating, but a lot of TOs? TOs were a huge problem in college for him.
I'm jut saying that most players develop differently under franchises. Each player gets a different opportunity. Give Nik nearly 30 mins a game and put the ball in his hands and run plays for him, and let's see how he'd do.
Everyone complains about floor spacing with Cuz, but how do you imagine floor spacing would be if we had Payton.. If we drafted Payton, how do you know he wouldn't be stuck behind Collison while showing small sample sizes of creating, but a lot of TOs? TOs were a huge problem in college for him.
I'm jut saying that most players develop differently under franchises. Each player gets a different opportunity. Give Nik nearly 30 mins a game and put the ball in his hands and run plays for him, and let's see how he'd do.
nik stauskas is only putting up 49% TS in a rookie season in which he's struggled to get on the court despite the kings' lack of guard depth, and stauskas was advertised as an ace shooter coming out of college. payton, on the other hand, is out there producing nightly. sure, he can't shoot worth a damn, and he'll likely never be a great shooter, but you can just tell that kid belongs on the court. more importantly, you can tell that kid wants it, particularly on the defensive end, which is what i admire about him most...
intangibles matter, and what's been so disappointing to me about the kings' back-to-back SG selections in the draft is that most of the time they appear to let the game pass them by. they don't seem to have much in the way of assertiveness or killer instinct. that said, i think stauskas will be fine in the long term. i think he'll develop into a solid contributor on offense, especially if his stroke and his confidence continue to improve under george karl. but it doesn't sit well with me that the kings used up two straight first round draft picks on shooters who couldn't shoot once they stepped onto an nba court (again, i think it points to that lack of killer instinct), and don't project to contribute substantially in any other way...
now, i don't think either payton or stauskas are destined for future all-star status. but if i'm an nba head coach or an established star, i want to draft a gutsy player like elfrid payton to get in the trenches with me, a player who has knuckled down on defense from minute one, has good PG instincts, and has plenty of time to improve as a free throw shooter and cut his turnover rate down. i remain unconvinced that ben mclemore is going to become the consistent 3-and-D guy that kings fans want him to be, and it strikes me as a hope-and-a-prayer that nik stauskas will become anything better than below-average on the defensive end...
intangibles matter, and what's been so disappointing to me about the kings' back-to-back SG selections in the draft is that most of the time they appear to let the game pass them by. they don't seem to have much in the way of assertiveness or killer instinct. that said, i think stauskas will be fine in the long term. i think he'll develop into a solid contributor on offense, especially if his stroke and his confidence continue to improve under george karl. but it doesn't sit well with me that the kings used up two straight first round draft picks on shooters who couldn't shoot once they stepped onto an nba court (again, i think it points to that lack of killer instinct), and don't project to contribute substantially in any other way...
now, i don't think either payton or stauskas are destined for future all-star status. but if i'm an nba head coach or an established star, i want to draft a gutsy player like elfrid payton to get in the trenches with me, a player who has knuckled down on defense from minute one, has good PG instincts, and has plenty of time to improve as a free throw shooter and cut his turnover rate down. i remain unconvinced that ben mclemore is going to become the consistent 3-and-D guy that kings fans want him to be, and it strikes me as a hope-and-a-prayer that nik stauskas will become anything better than below-average on the defensive end...
So was I and to say that "everyone" was talking about how we should have drafted George instead is absolute nonsense and a complete fabrication on your part. Even 3 quotes to support would go a long way, I doubt you could find even one.
And yeah, we all know rookies don't improve on their weaknesses
And yeah, we all know rookies don't improve on their weaknesses
So was I and to say that "everyone" was talking about how we should have drafted George instead is absolute nonsense and a complete fabrication on your part. Even 3 quotes to support would go a long way, I doubt you could find even one.
And yeah, we all know rookies don't improve on their weaknesses
And yeah, we all know rookies don't improve on their weaknesses
The vast majority of posters wanted DeMarcus Cousins and were very happy when he was the pick. Paul George was looked at as a guy with a lot of potential and upside but definitely not a sure thing. He could be the best player from that class or out of the league in a few years based on his jack of all trades, master of none skillset. Lots of people liked him (myself included) but few were horribly upset that Boogie was the pick and not PG. Now, if you went back one more year and used the Rubio/Tyreke example then there'd be no issue.
I wanted Payton, didn't necessarily want Stauskas but given Ben's struggles I could see the rationale. But to me that draft pick was much more about the subtext and what the pick represented than the actual selection of Nik. What it meant to me is that we had a GM who possibly lacked draft acumen/player evaluation skills to the point that he was hedging his bets against the kid he drafted in the top 10 just a year prior. The same kid that very likely influenced the decision to let Tyreke walk. And it still worries me. The Kings will always have to be a team that builds through the draft and you need a GM with the ability to find talent for that to work.
*Fortunately the internet was spared my teenage rantings about Sacramento draft picks before the Petrie era.
