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    2013 unrestricted freeagents:

    This is the list I put together, and I've left out the restricted freeagents. There aren't that many of them, and going after a restricted freeagent is a crapshoot anyway. My list is in no particular order, other than I have all the different positions listed separately, with their height, age, and their current team. The T, means its a team option. The P, means its a player option, and the ETO means its an early termination option, which is a player option. Don't ask!

    Point Guards:

    Chris Paul: 6'0", 27 years old, Clippers
    Delvin Harris: 6'3", 29 years old, Hawks
    Jose Calderon: 6'3", 31 years old, Pistons
    Chauncey Billups: 6'3", 36 years old, Clippers
    Beno Udrih: 6'3", 30 years old, Bucks
    Mario Chalmers: 6'2", 26 years old, Heat - T
    Augustin: 6'0", 25 years old, Pacers
    Patrick Mills: 6'0", 24 years old, Spurs - P
    Nolan Smith: 6'2", 24 years old, Trailblazers
    Jerryd Bayless: 6'3", 24 years old, Grizzley's - P
    C. J. Watson: 6'2", 28 years old, Nets
    Nate Robinson: 5'9", 28 years old, Bulls
    Shaun Livingston: 6'7", 28 years old, Cav's
    Mike James: 6'2", 37 years old, Mav's
    Will Bynum: 6'0", 30 years old, Pistons
    Jarrett Jack: 6'3", 29 years old, Warriors
    Randy Foye: 6'4", 29 years old, Jazz
    Daniel Gibson: 6'2", 26 years old, Cav's
    Earl Watson: 6'1", 33 years old, Jazz
    Sebastian Telfair: 6'0", 27 years old, Sun's
    Jamaal Tinsley: 6'3", 34 years old, Jazz
    A. J. Price: 6'2", 26 years old, Wizards
    Mo Williams: 6'1", 30 years old, Jazz

    Shooting Guards:

    Andre Iguodala: 6'6", 29 years old, Nuggets - ETO
    J. R. Smith: 6'6", 27 years old, Knicks
    Tony Allen: 6'4", 31 years old, Grizzley's
    Ray Allen: 6'5", 37 years old, Heat - P
    Kevin Martin: 6'7", 30 years old, Thunder
    J. J. Redick: 6'4", 28 years old, Magic
    Manu Ginobili: 6'6", 35 years old, Spurs
    Monte Ellis: 6'3", 27 years old, Bucks - P
    Anthony Morrow: 6'5", 27 years old, Hawks
    Leandro Barbosa: 6'3", 30 years old, Celtics
    Jerry Stackhouse: 6'6", 38 years old, Net's
    Ben Gordon: 6'3", 29 years old, Bobcats - P
    Marco Belineli, 6'5", 26 years old, Bulls
    Keith Bogans: 6'5", 32 years old, Nets
    Reggie Williams: 6'6", 26 years old, Bobcats
    Daequan Cook: 6'5", 25 years old, Bulls
    O. J. Mayo: 6'4", 25 years old, Mav's - P
    Brandon Rush: 6'6", 27 years old, Warriors - P
    Dominique Jones: 6'5", 24 years old, Mav's
    Jodie Meeks: 6'4", 25 years old, Lakers - T
    Marquis Daniels: 6'6", 32 years old, Bucks
    Xavior Henry: 6'6", 21 years old, Hornets
    Royal Ivey: 6'4", 31 years old, 76'ers
    Michael Pietrus: 6'6", 31 years old, Raptors
    Damien Wilkins: 6'6", 33 years old, 76'ers
    Elliot Williams: 6'5", 23 years old, Trailblazers
    Allan Anderson: 6'6", 30 years old, Raptors
    Raja Bell: 6'5", 36 years old, Jazz

    Small Forwards:

    Kyle Korver: 6'7", 31 years old, Hawks
    Metta World Peace: 6'7", 33 years old, Lakers- ETO
    Andrei Kirilenko: 6'9", 32 years old, T. Wolves
    Anthony Tolliver: 6'8", 27 years old, Hawks
    Dorell Wright: 6'9", 27 years old, 76'ers
    Linas Kleiza: 6'8", 28 years old, Raptors - P
    Stephen Jackson: 6'8", 34 years old, Spurs
    Boris Diaw: 6'8", 30 years old, Spurs - P
    Marvin Williams: 6'9", 26 years old, Jazz - ETO
    Wesley Johnson: 6'7", 25 years old, Suns
    Trevor Ariza: 6'8", 27 years old, Wizards - P
    Luke Babbit: 6'9", 23 years old, Trailblazers
    Nick Young: 6'7", 27 years old, 76'ers
    DeMarre Carroll: 6'8", 26 years old, Jazz
    Al-Farouq Aminu: 6'8", 22 years old, Hornets
    Ronnie Brewer: 6'7", 27 years old, Knicks
    Mike Dunleavy: 6'9", 32 years old, Bucks
    Rashard Lewis: 6'10", 33 years old, Heat - P
    Matt Barnes: 6'7", 32 years old, Clippers
    Sam Young: 6'7", 27 years old, Pacers
    James Jones: 6'8", 32 years old, Heat - P
    Richard Jefferson: 6'7", 32 years old, Warriors - P
    Cartier Martin: 6'7", 28 years old, Wizards
    Martell Webster: 6'7", 26 years old, Wizards
    Luke Walton: 6'8", 32 years old, Cav's
    Dahntay Jones: 6'6", 32 years old, Mav's
    Corey Brewer: 6'9", 26 years old, Nuggets
    Corey Maggette: 6'6", 33 years old, Pistons
    Hedo Turkoglu: 6'10", 33 years old, Magic - ETO

    Power Forwards:

    Josh Smith: 6'9", 27 years old, Hawks
    Andray Blatche: 6'11", 26 years old, Nets
    David West: 6'9", 32 years old, Pacers
    Chris Wilcox: 6'10", 30 years old, Celtics
    Vladimir Radmanovic: 6'10", 32 years old, Bulls
    Mareese Speights: 6'10", 25 years old, Cav's
    Elton Brand: 6'9", 33 years old, Mav's
    Shawn Marion: 6'7", 34 years old, Mav's - ETO
    Carl Landry: 6'9", 29 years old, Warriors - P
    Charlie Villanueva: 6'11", 28 years old, Pistons - P
    Brandon Wright: 6'10", 25 years old, Mav's
    Hakim Warrick: 6'8", 30 years old, Bobcats - T
    Jason Maxiell: 6'7", 30 years old, Pistons
    Lamar Odom: 6'10", 33 years old, Clippers
    Ronny Turiaf: 6'9", 30 years old, Clippers
    Josh McRoberts: 6'10", 25 years old, Magic
    J. J. Hickson: 6'9", 24 years old, Trailblazers
    Al Jefferson: 6'10", 28 years old, Jazz
    Paul Millsap: 6'8", 28 years old, Jazz
    Antawn Jamison: 6'8", 36 years old, Lakers
    Chris Anderson: 6'10", 34 years old, Heat
    Kurt Thomas: 6'9", 40 years old, Knicks
    Rasheed Wallace: 6'11", 38 years old, Knicks
    Dante Cunningham: 6'8", 25 years old, T. Wolves
    Earl Clark: 6'10", 25 years old, Lakers

    Centers:

    Samuel Dalembert: 6'11", 31 years old, Bucks
    Tiago Splitter: 6'11", 28 years old, Spurs
    Chris Kaman: 7'0", 30 years old, Mav's
    Andris Biedrins: 7'0", 26 years old, Warriors
    Andrew Bynum: 7'0", 25 years old, 76'ers
    Dwight Howard: 6'11", 27 years old, Lakers
    Emeka Okafor: 6'10", 30 years old, Wizards - ETO
    Kwame Brown: 6'11", 30 years old, 76'ers - P
    Zaza Pachulia: 6'11", 29 years old, Hawks
    Jason Collins: 6'11", 34 years old, Celtics
    Nazr Muhammad: 6'10", 35 years old, Bulls
    Desagana Diop: 7'0", 31 years old, Bobcats
    Johan Petro: 7'0", 27 years old, Hawks
    Jermaine O'Neal: 6'11", 34 years old, Suns
    Aaron Gray: 7'0", 28 years old, Raptors - P
    Joel Przybilla: 7'1", 33 years old, Bucks
    Ryan Hollins: 7'0", 28 years old, Clippers
    Cole Aldrich: 6'11", 24 years old, Pacers
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    Players I would target...

    PG - Jarett Jack, Patrick Mills, Jose Calderon

    SG - Tony Allen (if he'll leave memphis), Brandon rush

    SF - Dorell Wright, Trevor Ariza, Al Farouq Aminu, Corey Brewer, Josh Smith (at Sf and probably not happening)

    PF - David West, Al Jefferson, Andray Blatche

    C - Tiago Splitter, Andris Biedrins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kings Faithful View Post
    Players I would target...

    PG - Jarett Jack, Patrick Mills, Jose Calderon

    SG - Tony Allen (if he'll leave memphis), Brandon rush

    SF - Dorell Wright, Trevor Ariza, Al Farouq Aminu, Corey Brewer, Josh Smith (at Sf and probably not happening)

    PF - David West, Al Jefferson, Andray Blatche

    C - Tiago Splitter, Andris Biedrins
    Well, the first thing you have to consider is the salary cap, and how much room the Kings have, or might have depending on what they want to accomplish. Cisco's money comes off the books, and without looking it up, I believe its around 6.4 mil. We can still amnesty Salmons, and remove his salary from the books. We still have to pay him, and it gets a little expensive, because if you amnesty him, you guarantee his last year, which is only guaranteed for a mil if we just let the last year play out. Don't quote me on the 1 mil part, but point is, there's a huge difference between the 7.5 mil he's owed if it becomes guaranteed and the amount owed if it just plays out.

    But, if you were to amnesty Salmons, along with Cisco's contract ending, you then have some serious money to play with. Esentially you would have around 33.3 mil counting against the cap, and the cap is likely to go up to around 60 mil. Just a guess on my part. It was at around 59.5 mil last season, and I would think that realisticly it would go up, maybe to as much as 61 mil. However, that amount against the cap doesn't take into account the projected salaries, (if we decide to retain them) of Evans, a restricted freeagent, Johnson, a restricted freeagent, or Honeycutt and Thomas, both of whom are on non-guaranteed contracts, which means we don't have to tender and offer to any of them, and they just walk. The one lone wildcard is Brooks, who has an early termination option, which means its his option. So if he decides the grass is greener somewhere else, he walks.

    So we could be as much as 37 mil under the cap depending on who we want to keep and what Brooks decides. Obviously, we want to resolve the Evans situation, and that all depends on how much money he wants. I seriously doubt he'll get offered the max allowed. And last night is an example of why. There are times when he just throws BBIQ out the window, and many times the results are not good. He's a very good basketball player, but Dwayne Wade he's not. So do we want to keep him? Damm right! The question is, how much does he want? Do we want to keep IT? I'd say yes to that one as well, but I still don't like him as a starter. But thats just my personal opinion. You certainly get a lot of bang for the buck with IT. I'd let JJ and Honeycutt walk, and I'd encourage Brooks to look elsewhere.

    So if everything goes the way your want, and you resign Tyreke and IT for the amounts you want, then maybe you still have around 25 mil under the cap to work with. Certainly enough to be a player in the freeagent market.

    As to your list, I would add Chris Kaman and Dalembert to your list of centers. I look at Josh Smith as a PF, and I'd love to have him, but he's a real longshot. I'm not a big fan of Aminu. I didn't like him in college, and so far he hasn't shown me much. He's still young, and has time to develop, but right now, in freeagency, I'm looking to add veteran players that are proven and know how to play the game of basketball. I'm willing to overlook their youth if they bring a particular skill, like shotblocking etc. I'd also add McRoberts to the list. He's a very versatile player. He could be had for a reasonable price, and he would add length to our front line. He can also play some center is needed. No one leaps out at me at the SG position. I think you either go with a good outside shooter, or a very good defender. If you can find both, such as in a Tony Allen type, so much the better. But that might be a position you trade for. Or you might go for a Randy Foye, a player that can really shoot the ball off the bench, and play a little point as well. Hmmm! Maybe not!

    I believe in having star players, or go to players. I think every team has to have one or two of those guys. But I'm not a believer in having every other player on the team as an average role player. I'm not into this, my player has to get his 15 to 18 shots a game, and if someone else has a good night, its at the expense of the star player. While that can be true, I think that people have to recognize that you can't put all your eggs into one basket. Otherwise you'll live and die with those star players on a nightly basis. To build a contender, you also have to have players that can step up when needed and pick up the slack. The trick is, to have players, and a coach that knows the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajaden View Post
    Well, the first thing you have to consider is the salary cap, and how much room the Kings have, or might have depending on what they want to accomplish. Cisco's money comes off the books, and without looking it up, I believe its around 6.4 mil. We can still amnesty Salmons, and remove his salary from the books. We still have to pay him, and it gets a little expensive, because if you amnesty him, you guarantee his last year, which is only guaranteed for a mil if we just let the last year play out. Don't quote me on the 1 mil part, but point is, there's a huge difference between the 7.5 mil he's owed if it becomes guaranteed and the amount owed if it just plays out.

    But, if you were to amnesty Salmons, along with Cisco's contract ending, you then have some serious money to play with. Esentially you would have around 33.3 mil counting against the cap, and the cap is likely to go up to around 60 mil. Just a guess on my part. It was at around 59.5 mil last season, and I would think that realisticly it would go up, maybe to as much as 61 mil. However, that amount against the cap doesn't take into account the projected salaries, (if we decide to retain them) of Evans, a restricted freeagent, Johnson, a restricted freeagent, or Honeycutt and Thomas, both of whom are on non-guaranteed contracts, which means we don't have to tender and offer to any of them, and they just walk. The one lone wildcard is Brooks, who has an early termination option, which means its his option. So if he decides the grass is greener somewhere else, he walks.

    So we could be as much as 37 mil under the cap depending on who we want to keep and what Brooks decides. Obviously, we want to resolve the Evans situation, and that all depends on how much money he wants. I seriously doubt he'll get offered the max allowed. And last night is an example of why. There are times when he just throws BBIQ out the window, and many times the results are not good. He's a very good basketball player, but Dwayne Wade he's not. So do we want to keep him? Damm right! The question is, how much does he want? Do we want to keep IT? I'd say yes to that one as well, but I still don't like him as a starter. But thats just my personal opinion. You certainly get a lot of bang for the buck with IT. I'd let JJ and Honeycutt walk, and I'd encourage Brooks to look elsewhere.


    So if everything goes the way your want, and you resign Tyreke and IT for the amounts you want, then maybe you still have around 25 mil under the cap to work with. Certainly enough to be a player in the freeagent market.

    As to your list, I would add Chris Kaman and Dalembert to your list of centers. I look at Josh Smith as a PF, and I'd love to have him, but he's a real longshot. I'm not a big fan of Aminu. I didn't like him in college, and so far he hasn't shown me much. He's still young, and has time to develop, but right now, in freeagency, I'm looking to add veteran players that are proven and know how to play the game of basketball. I'm willing to overlook their youth if they bring a particular skill, like shotblocking etc. I'd also add McRoberts to the list. He's a very versatile player. He could be had for a reasonable price, and he would add length to our front line. He can also play some center is needed. No one leaps out at me at the SG position. I think you either go with a good outside shooter, or a very good defender. If you can find both, such as in a Tony Allen type, so much the better. But that might be a position you trade for. Or you might go for a Randy Foye, a player that can really shoot the ball off the bench, and play a little point as well. Hmmm! Maybe not!

    I believe in having star players, or go to players. I think every team has to have one or two of those guys. But I'm not a believer in having every other player on the team as an average role player. I'm not into this, my player has to get his 15 to 18 shots a game, and if someone else has a good night, its at the expense of the star player. While that can be true, I think that people have to recognize that you can't put all your eggs into one basket. Otherwise you'll live and die with those star players on a nightly basis. To build a contender, you also have to have players that can step up when needed and pick up the slack. The trick is, to have players, and a coach that knows the difference.
    Kaman and Dalembert are two that I would like to target also, but I just don't see them coming here. Not with how Dalemberts situation ended and I doubt Kaman will choose to go to another team in rebuild mode. I'd take Josh Smith at PF also, but I just don't like him there as much. Not really a great Free Agency this year but there is definitely some role players that would really help this team.

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    i could see new ownership wanting to make a splash signing but their main focus should be on cleaning house on the entire basketball ops staff and getting a proven GM and head coach in here, maybe overpay a David West or Kaman/Dally on a short deal to give some vet leadership to these guys but mostly just stand pat and try to clear out the mediocre logjam pieces, give Reke and Cousins longterm deals and finally build around them properly W/ shooters and a shotblocker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajaden View Post
    Well, the first thing you have to consider is the salary cap, and how much room the Kings have, or might have depending on what they want to accomplish. Cisco's money comes off the books, and without looking it up, I believe its around 6.4 mil. We can still amnesty Salmons, and remove his salary from the books. We still have to pay him, and it gets a little expensive, because if you amnesty him, you guarantee his last year, which is only guaranteed for a mil if we just let the last year play out. Don't quote me on the 1 mil part, but point is, there's a huge difference between the 7.5 mil he's owed if it becomes guaranteed and the amount owed if it just plays out.

    But, if you were to amnesty Salmons, along with Cisco's contract ending, you then have some serious money to play with. Esentially you would have around 33.3 mil counting against the cap, and the cap is likely to go up to around 60 mil. Just a guess on my part. It was at around 59.5 mil last season, and I would think that realisticly it would go up, maybe to as much as 61 mil. However, that amount against the cap doesn't take into account the projected salaries, (if we decide to retain them) of Evans, a restricted freeagent, Johnson, a restricted freeagent, or Honeycutt and Thomas, both of whom are on non-guaranteed contracts, which means we don't have to tender and offer to any of them, and they just walk. The one lone wildcard is Brooks, who has an early termination option, which means its his option. So if he decides the grass is greener somewhere else, he walks.

    So we could be as much as 37 mil under the cap depending on who we want to keep and what Brooks decides. Obviously, we want to resolve the Evans situation, and that all depends on how much money he wants. I seriously doubt he'll get offered the max allowed. And last night is an example of why. There are times when he just throws BBIQ out the window, and many times the results are not good. He's a very good basketball player, but Dwayne Wade he's not. So do we want to keep him? Damm right! The question is, how much does he want? Do we want to keep IT? I'd say yes to that one as well, but I still don't like him as a starter. But thats just my personal opinion. You certainly get a lot of bang for the buck with IT. I'd let JJ and Honeycutt walk, and I'd encourage Brooks to look elsewhere.

    So if everything goes the way your want, and you resign Tyreke and IT for the amounts you want, then maybe you still have around 25 mil under the cap to work with. Certainly enough to be a player in the freeagent market.

    As to your list, I would add Chris Kaman and Dalembert to your list of centers. I look at Josh Smith as a PF, and I'd love to have him, but he's a real longshot. I'm not a big fan of Aminu. I didn't like him in college, and so far he hasn't shown me much. He's still young, and has time to develop, but right now, in freeagency, I'm looking to add veteran players that are proven and know how to play the game of basketball. I'm willing to overlook their youth if they bring a particular skill, like shotblocking etc. I'd also add McRoberts to the list. He's a very versatile player. He could be had for a reasonable price, and he would add length to our front line. He can also play some center is needed. No one leaps out at me at the SG position. I think you either go with a good outside shooter, or a very good defender. If you can find both, such as in a Tony Allen type, so much the better. But that might be a position you trade for. Or you might go for a Randy Foye, a player that can really shoot the ball off the bench, and play a little point as well. Hmmm! Maybe not!

    I believe in having star players, or go to players. I think every team has to have one or two of those guys. But I'm not a believer in having every other player on the team as an average role player. I'm not into this, my player has to get his 15 to 18 shots a game, and if someone else has a good night, its at the expense of the star player. While that can be true, I think that people have to recognize that you can't put all your eggs into one basket. Otherwise you'll live and die with those star players on a nightly basis. To build a contender, you also have to have players that can step up when needed and pick up the slack. The trick is, to have players, and a coach that knows the difference.
    1. Salmons has indeed only $1 million guaranteed in his final year, so there's a difference of $6 million between amnestying and waiving.
    2. IT's contract is not guaranteed but that doesn't mean Kings have to deal with him this off-season.
    Don't think new FO should rush by making some marquee signing. But you have to get as good a coach as you can, and evaluate, what talent you actually have.

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    Lets go after CP3!

    In all seriousness, maybe Josh Smith could be a cool signing.
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    Players I would like to see us going after

    Jack or Beno at PG. Beno work well with Evans and MT and provides some much needed veteran leadership. Jack is a muc better defender and could also work brilliantly for us.

    Andrei Kirilenko as that ever elusive SF that adds size, defence, passing, veteran leadership and is a pretty reliable spor up shooter from long range.

    Bring back Samuel Dalembert please. A defensive role player who has proven to play well with Cousins and JT.

    With those signings my starting 5 for next year would be

    PG: Jack
    SG: Evans
    SF: Kirilenko
    PF: Cousins
    C: Dalembert

    Having JT off the bench gives us a three big men to throw at teams and it will cause a lot of issues for teams

    If we keep MT, we get back to having 3 pronged guard line up with Jack or Beno / Tyreke / MT which worked well a couple of years ago.

    With AK we finally address that revolving door at SF. Kirilenko can also guard PFs that Dally and Cousins can't (eg, West, Landry etc).

    You can then add some more shooting to the bench with Korver and fill the rest of the bench with role players.

    Notice how in my starting 5, Cousins is the only one that is not a very good defender. Jack and Reke is a defensive backcourt that can score and get others involved. AK47 is the ultimate glue guy on the team that plays defense, blocks some shots and passes the ball well (ie not a ball stopper). Dally provides some much needed rebounding and shot blocking and length. He is also not a liability offensively.

    That team with a good coach, makes the play offs and takes some major scalps in the process.
    Jim Capers once called a foul on me while I was sitting on the bench. Tweet! "Foul, number fifty-three! Five-three!" Everybody was confused and looking around for number 53, so I stood up and said, "I'm over here and the only thing I'm fouling is the water bottle." - Darryl Dawkins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kings Faithful View Post
    Players I would target...

    PG - Jarett Jack, Patrick Mills, Jose Calderon

    SG - Tony Allen (if he'll leave memphis), Brandon rush
    SF - Dorell Wright, Trevor Ariza, Al Farouq Aminu, Corey Brewer, Josh Smith (at Sf and probably not happening)

    PF - David West, Al Jefferson, Andray Blatche

    C - Tiago Splitter, Andris Biedrins
    I like these guys. And if Burkle and Co. win the Game of Thrones, then it's a total game changer and every free agent out there is going to have to at least give their offer careful consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilles View Post
    1. Salmons has indeed only $1 million guaranteed in his final year, so there's a difference of $6 million between amnestying and waiving.
    2. IT's contract is not guaranteed but that doesn't mean Kings have to deal with him this off-season.
    Don't think new FO should rush by making some marquee signing. But you have to get as good a coach as you can, and evaluate, what talent you actually have.
    My hope is, that if Burkle and Co. end up buying the Kings, they'll just swallow hard and take the 6 mill hit in order to clear some capspace. 6 Million isn't anything to sneeze at, but if they're serious about building a team, then they'll do it. As for IT, your right, his contract isn't guaranteed, but they would have to pick up the contract in order to guarantee it for one more year. I would assume they'd do that, since it a pretty cheap contract at this point. Honeycutt is no longer in the picture, and I assume that both Aldrich and Douglas will just walk at seasons end. The Kings could end up being in pretty good shape cap wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingster View Post
    I like these guys. And if Burkle and Co. win the Game of Thrones, then it's a total game changer and every free agent out there is going to have to at least give their offer careful consideration.
    I think Tiago appears a lot better on the Spurs than he would on most other teams. It's not that he isn't a good player, but rather that his abilities flourish under Pop's system.

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    I think Tiago appears a lot better on the Spurs than he would on most other teams. It's not that he isn't a good player, but rather that his abilities flourish under Pop's system.
    You could say that about most players under Pop's system. I'd still take my chances on a guy like Splitter, who's been under the tutelge of Duncan and Pop

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Jamal View Post
    You could say that about most players under Pop's system. I'd still take my chances on a guy like Splitter, who's been under the tutelge of Duncan and Pop
    Yeah, I agree with you. Pop's has a system in place that just seems to keep on ticking, regardless of the players. But Splitter is skilled, ahd the Kings need skilled players. Different system could bring different results, but I think it would still be an improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajaden View Post
    Yeah, I agree with you. Pop's has a system in place that just seems to keep on ticking, regardless of the players. But Splitter is skilled, ahd the Kings need skilled players. Different system could bring different results, but I think it would still be an improvement.
    No doubt. Splitter is a highly efficient offensive player, he's a tremendous all-around defensive anchor and doesn't get out of line offensively. I'd be really interested in a Patterson/Cousins/Splitter rotation where all 3 guys would be interchangeable with one another.

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    Anywho, it's hard to say who would be the right targets to go for when the only players we know for sure will be back are DeMarcus, IT, and Patterson (IT and Patterson due to being quality players on cheap contracts). Salmons might get amnestied. Thornton, Jimmer, JT, Outlaw, Hayes are all prime candidates to be shopped around. Brooks will probably test the market again as he's lost his PT here and it doesn't make sense for us to pick up the $4mil QO to JJ. The Reke situation is also iffy as it's going to be tough to determine what his market will be.

    One thing is for certain is we'll be in for one hell of an off-season if the Kings stay

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    if we stay i see us getting a big name in to change the losing mentality...

    im looking forward to a good draft (with new coachs and scouting team) and an even better Free agentcy

    BTW i notice Xavior Henry is an URFA is he turned out to be a bust then??
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    Under Contract next year:

    Thomas / Jimmer
    Evans / Thornton
    Salmons / Outlaw
    Thompson / Patterson
    Cousins / Hayes

    That's 10 roster spots. I'm assuming we don't Keep any of our guys with options or QO, and that Aaron Brooks declines his player option.

    Ideally, to me, anyway - The new owners Amnesty Salmons (next year will be his last, he has a team option the year after .. how does amnesty treat that?)

    Draft Otto Porter as your next SF.

    I would then do my best to clean house. Use Thomas, Jimmer, and Thornton to help you get rid of Hayes and Outlaw.

    Find a way to sign David West for a short term deal. Sign Beno for guard depth. Find a PG who can start for a year or two while we look for the long term future there. Could be Jack or Calderon or someone via trade. Wouldn't even be against Beno starting along side Evans again.... Ideally -

    Jack / Beno
    Evans / Whoever is left over from the team out of Jimmer / Thomas / Thornton after dumping Hayes and Outlaw
    Porter / Sign a Vet who can start of Porter struggles (Matt Barnes / Ronnie Brewer / Dorrell Wright / Marvin Williams)
    West / Patterson
    Cousins / Thompson

    This idea being, GOOD veterans on short term contracts. Keep looking for your long term guys at PG and big next to Cousins. Guys like West / Jack won't be finding contracts for more than 2/3 years anyway. I wouldn't sign either guy for more than 2 years.
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    Depending on what happens with Reke and if we are priced out of him or not (and I do think there's a point where we should be priced out of him), my two favorite players in this FA class that would have an immediate impact would be Tiago Splitter and Tony Allen by far. Both guys come measure out off the charts on every defensive metric available, and I really like how both guys come from fanastic coaching environments and team-oriented systems. They would do wonders for raising our B-ball IQ and getting intelligent players on the floor who understand their roles and how to valuable to winning organizations.

    IT would make a fine back-court partner with Allen and would run well with this group. Unless we found a strong upgrade, I'd see no reason to replace him with this hypothetical.

    PG: Isaiah Thomas
    SG: Tony Allen
    SF:
    PF: Tiago Splitter
    C: DeMarcus Cousins

    That would leave us with MT, a potential top 5 pick, Patterson and JT as our best assets to fill the SF void.

    I don't want to see Tyreke leave, but I also do not want to be on the hook for him for a max contract deal. Heck, Im not sure if I would give the Steph Curry/Holliday/Lawson extension money. I would much rather surround Cousins with a couple top-notch defensive specialists like Allen and Splitter than hope and pray Tyreke can live up to a max deal, or even an $11mil+ deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MassachusettsKingsFan View Post
    Under Contract next year:

    Thomas / Jimmer
    Evans / Thornton
    Salmons / Outlaw
    Thompson / Patterson
    Cousins / Hayes

    That's 10 roster spots. I'm assuming we don't Keep any of our guys with options or QO, and that Aaron Brooks declines his player option.

    Ideally, to me, anyway - The new owners Amnesty Salmons (next year will be his last, he has a team option the year after .. how does amnesty treat that?)

    Draft Otto Porter as your next SF.

    I would then do my best to clean house. Use Thomas, Jimmer, and Thornton to help you get rid of Hayes and Outlaw.

    Find a way to sign David West for a short term deal. Sign Beno for guard depth. Find a PG who can start for a year or two while we look for the long term future there. Could be Jack or Calderon or someone via trade. Wouldn't even be against Beno starting along side Evans again.... Ideally -

    Jack / Beno
    Evans / Whoever is left over from the team out of Jimmer / Thomas / Thornton after dumping Hayes and Outlaw
    Porter / Sign a Vet who can start of Porter struggles (Matt Barnes / Ronnie Brewer / Dorrell Wright / Marvin Williams)
    West / Patterson
    Cousins / Thompson

    This idea being, GOOD veterans on short term contracts. Keep looking for your long term guys at PG and big next to Cousins. Guys like West / Jack won't be finding contracts for more than 2/3 years anyway. I wouldn't sign either guy for more than 2 years.
    In regards to your Salmons question and Amnesty. The last year of his contract becomes guaranteed if he's amnestied. So the new owners would have to swallow hard, and hope that who ever picks up Salmons pays a substantial amount of his salary.
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    I keep wondering how would Josh Smith fit in as our SF? There are obviously some question marks but with his ability to play both ways, shot blocking and strong defence. He really would be everything we hoped James Johnson would be.

    He is still pretty young and would be worth a long term deal but the debatable part is at what price?!

    I have to say if Kirilenkodoes not opt out, Smithis the free agent that intriques me the most but strictly as a SF and if we could get Dally, that some MAJOR shot blocking and defence around Boogie.
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