Tired of Cousins attitude and want a trade (split)

[Rockmeister]

I am getting sick and tired of Cousins attitude. He has been hit with 12 technicals and 3 ejections. He hurts the team when this happens. Yea, I know he is talented, however, how much are we going to tolerate his crap and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

[Spike]

Not anytime soon, I hope. New ownership, vision, and leadership at the top will go a long ways. We get rid of him and it's a big *** step in the wrong direction.

[Chupacabra]

I am getting sick and tired of Cousins attitude. He has been hit with 12 technicals and 3 ejections. He hurts the team when this happens. Yea, I know he is talented, however, how much are we going to tolerate his crap and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

how long were you waiting to bring this thread back up? Lets just go ahead and trade our best player because he has a bad attitude.

[Rockmeister]

how long were you waiting to bring this thread back up? Lets just go ahead and trade our best player because he has a bad attitude.

My post talks about Cousins and this is the correct thread.

[UK_King]

Another seriously avoidable ejection, what more can you say.

I get that players want a "dialogue" with the refs but at some point you have to say "what do i have to gain from this conversation"

The answer is not much.

[Capt. Factorial]

Another seriously avoidable ejection, what more can you say.

I get that players want a "dialogue" with the refs but at some point you have to say "what do i have to gain from this conversation"

The answer is not much.

As Jerry Reynolds once said, "Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want." Cousins is getting plenty of experience.

[The Hammer]

If you think we should trade Cousins at this point, you are a total idiot. WE'RE JUST ABOUT TO GET A FRANCHISE MAKE OVER.

[Warhawk]

If you think we should trade Cousins at this point, you are a total idiot. WE'RE JUST ABOUT TO GET A FRANCHISE MAKE OVER.

Agreed.

[HereWeVivek]

If you think we should trade Cousins at this point, you are a total idiot. WE'RE JUST ABOUT TO GET A FRANCHISE MAKE OVER.

agree

[andremiller07]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-who-should-go

Key points from the article

But, there is one person who should stay in Sacramento: DeMarcus Cousins. Even though he's been laughably immature and incredibly unlikable, the University of Kentucky product needs to stay

He's Sacramento's one true franchise player. If Cousins can clean up his act, he's got the potential to be the cornerstone of the franchise

What the Kings should do first is get whatever they can for Tyreke Evans.

The only point in the article I don't agree with but if its looking more than likely hes going to leave us than maybe its a option

Other players who should go include Jason Thompson, a backup-caliber power forward who is taking playing time away from Thomas Robinson, and Jimmer Fredette, a player who hasn't come close to expectations.

Totally agree

Marcus Thornton is the perfect sixth man. He's another piece that be great to start a team with. Isaiah Thomas is better suited to coming off the bench.

I agree somewhat

The point here is that Sacramento has a handful of players, led by Cousins, that would be a great bunch to start over with. All the Kings need to do is draft well and, of course, hope for the first overall pick in the draft.

For that, Lady Luck needs to get involved.

[upinsmoke]

andremiller07 what kind of expectations did you have for JT? My very impression of him was rotation big, dont take offense but i'm really just intrested in what your take is.

[andremiller07]

andremiller07 what kind of expectations did you have for JT? My very impression of him was rotation big, dont take offense but i'm really just intrested in what your take is.

I think hes a good back up imo, I don't think hes a legit starting big but thats not to say he can't be decent starting but I think he would be better off the bench. On top of that he seems to play better when Cousins is not on the floor so it makes even more sense for him not to be on the floor at the same time. But if we could trade JT and something else to get a decent Wing player I would do it.

[bajaden]

I think hes a good back up imo, I don't think hes a legit starting big but thats not to say he can't be decent starting but I think he would be better off the bench. On top of that he seems to play better when Cousins is not on the floor so it makes even more sense for him not to be on the floor at the same time. But if we could trade JT and something else to get a decent Wing player I would do it.

I was right with you until the last sentence. What we have a lack of, is solid bigs, and the last thing we need to do is trade one of the solid bigs we have for another wing player. Wing players are a dime a dozen in the NBA. Good bigs are hard to come by. JT is a solid versitle big man that can play both PF and Center. There's not another player on the team that can do that, other than maybe Cousins. I would prefer JT to come off the bench and put a good defensive shotblocking PF next to Cuz. I still think that Robinsons best position down the road is going to be SF, a position where he won't be undersized, and he already has some of the necessary skills for the position.

All we need to do is win the lottery, draft Noel and put him next to Cousins. Move JT to the bench, and move T. Robb to SF. You can always use T. Robb at PF if necessary, very similar to JJ.

[Bricklayer]

On top of that he seems to play better when Cousins is not on the floor so it makes even more sense for him not to be on the floor at the same time.

I 1) love the kneejerk short memories of fans. Jason plays ONE good game ehre without Cousins on the floor, and all of a sudden he's plays better wihtout him ont he floor. This despite he and Cousins working very well together for the bulk of this very season. Sometimes I think that being a sports fan must be like having your head repeatedly slammed into the wall. It sht eonly way I can explain some of the bizarre things that get said.

and 2) yes, DWade plays better wihtout LeBron on the floor. Vlade put up bigger numbers wihtout Webb on the floor. Etc. that is the natural outcome to having a dominant player on the floor. Everybody else steps back into a role. If they are good players, they will be abel to step up a bit when the dominant player is resting. Its not a reason you run off and bench your better players or trade them.

The problem is when a lesser player like an IT limits a better one like Reke, nto when the opposite happens. Jason was a very good fit next to Cousins for much of the eyar...offesnively at elast. What is truly needed is a defensive shotblocker. But Jason was efficieint, and he helped Cousins by staying out of the way, mopping up, spacing with jumpers, not competing for hsots or touches, and that is what you are looking for out of any second big.

[andremiller07]

I was right with you until the last sentence. What we have a lack of, is solid bigs, and the last thing we need to do is trade one of the solid bigs we have for another wing player. Wing players are a dime a dozen in the NBA. Good bigs are hard to come by. JT is a solid versitle big man that can play both PF and Center. There's not another player on the team that can do that, other than maybe Cousins. I would prefer JT to come off the bench and put a good defensive shotblocking PF next to Cuz. I still think that Robinsons best position down the road is going to be SF, a position where he won't be undersized, and he already has some of the necessary skills for the position.

All we need to do is win the lottery, draft Noel and put him next to Cousins. Move JT to the bench, and move T. Robb to SF. You can always use T. Robb at PF if necessary, very similar to JJ.

You are probably right, but I atm can't see T-Rob at SF I think hes at least 3 years away from making a move to SF. If we can get Noel that yeah everything you said makes sense. I still think we have way to many scrubs @ the SF position and we need a floor spacer/ do it all type SF who can actually defend basically the complete opposite of Salmons.

(bit off topic) Bajaden have you seen Jarnell Stokes from Tennesse play and does he remind you of a shorer poor mans version of DMC (minus the anger?) What do you think of the other Kentucky big man that backs up Noel, Cauley-Stein hes raw but seems like hes got very decent potential

love the kneejerk short memories of fans. Jason plays ONE good game ehre without Cousins on the floor, and all of a sudden he's plays better wihtout him ont he floor. This despite he and Cousins working very well together for the bulk of this very season. Sometimes I think that being a sports fan must be like having your head repeatedly slammed into the wall. It sht eonly way I can explain some of the bizarre things that get said.

I think JT off the bench would be fantastic because he can score a bit when hes #1/#2 option and T-Rob has had his best games playing next to Cousins when JT is in foul trouble. JT can play with more freedom on offense when he comes off the bench and force him to step up more. It would make out bench way stronger which is a weakness while not really bringing our starting line up down as much

[bajaden]

You are probably right, but I atm can't see T-Rob at SF I think hes at least 3 years away from making a move to SF. If we can get Noel that yeah everything you said makes sense. I still think we have way to many scrubs @ the SF position and we need a floor spacer/ do it all type SF who can actually defend basically the complete opposite of Salmons.

(bit off topic) Bajaden have you seen Jarnell Stokes from Tennesse play and does he remind you of a shorer poor mans version of DMC (minus the anger?) What do you think of the other Kentucky big man that backs up Noel, Cauley-Stein hes raw but seems like hes got very decent potential


I think JT off the bench would be fantastic because he can score a bit when hes #1/#2 option and T-Rob has had his best games playing next to Cousins when JT is in foul trouble. JT can play with more freedom on offense when he comes off the bench and force him to step up more. It would make out bench way stronger which is a weakness while not really bringing our starting line up down as much

First, I think Robinson is much closer to playing SF than you think. He has very good mechanic's on his jumper, and a whole offseason of practice should make him a lot more consistent. He handles the ball very well for a guy his size. He just needs to learn to play under control. Defensively, he could be a very good defender at the SF position using his quickness, and strength. His jumpshot is better than JJ's right now, and he's playing SF, and he played PF in college.

Stokes isn't as skilled as Cousins. He's primarily a low post player, and unfortunately, I think the only position he can play is Center. He's only 6'9", which would be OK for a PF, but not center. He's not particularly quick, or explosive around the basket. He is strong, there's no doubt about that, but I don't think strength alone will get you very far at 6'9" at the center position in the NBA. One thing he has going for him is his age. He's a sophmore, and I think he's still 18 years old. I know he was one of the youngest players in college last season. Anyway, I'm not sure about him just yet, but he has time to sort things out. He needs a consistent jumpshot.

I like Willie Cauley-Stein a lot. He's is a little rough around the edges, and is considered somewhat a late bloomer. But he's learning quickly. He's missed some games recently because of some sort of back injury, which is a little troubling, but there have been some games where he was putting up defensive numbers that matched his teammate Noel. He's a very good athlete, and has good length at just under 7 foot with a good wingspan. He does a great job of running the floor, and is fast becoming a proficient shotblocker. I've noticed that he's starting to climb up the draft boards. He's the one guy that I had targeted for the Kings unless we somehow got lucky and won the lottery.

[upinsmoke]

I can see Stokes struggling in the league if he even gets there. The right move should be to pick ONE of our mini's and draft Marcus Smart that kid can play dammit

[mac]

I can see Stokes struggling in the league if he even gets there. The right move should be to pick ONE of our mini's and draft Marcus Smart that kid can play dammit

Call me paranoid but I don't ever want another Smart near the team, ever.

[upinsmoke]

Call me paranoid but I don't ever want another Smart near the team, ever.

I will call you paranoid because we knew Keith Smart sucked coming into the situation.

[Gilles]

If Kings stick with Tyreke, Smart is a great back court partner and is a likely BPA outside of top-5. He's not good enough to be main ballhandler in the League, but he brings back Evans-T.Williams dynamic of physically dominating defensive back court, but this time both guys can shoot set 3 (and you can probably even get away with JJ as SF if coach uses full team cooperation, not 1-4 isolation, and Robinson works on his jumper, so Kings always have jump shooting PF on the floor), and Smart is a true leader and locker room presence.