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  • Robinson

    9 31.03%
  • Hayes

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  • Jimmer

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    Big fella just needs to focus.

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    Optimism FTW!!

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    James Ham of Cowbell Kingdom said it best and has ID'd the crux of the Coaches problem:

    The Kings bench was flat out atrocious in the first half, combining to score just seven points on seven shots. We are 47 games into the season and Smart still hasn’t to figured out a way to mix his starters and reserves. After an entertaining first quarter, Smart went deep to the bench, using Aaron Brooks, Marcus Thornton, James Johnson, Travis Outlaw, Robinson and Chuck Hayes. By the time Smart went back to his starters, the game was over.

    Time and again this has been the problem. My patience with Smart is now gone. Bajaden was right in his criticism which was on point. His sub patterns have no basis in what it takes to win. He is crap shooting with a dysfunctional approach to substitutions.

    While Hayes is a smart player, never have him in without Cuz or JT.
    Brooks has played his way to the bottom of the barrel.
    Fredette is becoming the PG and plays well with Cuz.
    TRob needs more minutes and more Prozac type coaching.
    Cuz may be going about it the wrong way but he is the most important cog in the Kings engine. Coach HAS to solve it.
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    Jim Capers once called a foul on me while I was sitting on the bench. Tweet! "Foul, number fifty-three! Five-three!" Everybody was confused and looking around for number 53, so I stood up and said, "I'm over here and the only thing I'm fouling is the water bottle." - Darryl Dawkins

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    Quote Originally Posted by CruzDude View Post
    James Ham of Cowbell Kingdom said it best and has ID'd the crux of the Coaches problem:

    The Kings bench was flat out atrocious in the first half, combining to score just seven points on seven shots. We are 47 games into the season and Smart still hasn’t to figured out a way to mix his starters and reserves. After an entertaining first quarter, Smart went deep to the bench, using Aaron Brooks, Marcus Thornton, James Johnson, Travis Outlaw, Robinson and Chuck Hayes. By the time Smart went back to his starters, the game was over.
    With all due respect, James Ham is an idiot. Now he may be correct on this point, but we have been saying that here since the first week of the season (guessing on exact start date, but you get the point). He probably read it here first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CruzDude View Post
    James Ham of Cowbell Kingdom said it best and has ID'd the crux of the Coaches problem:

    The Kings bench was flat out atrocious in the first half, combining to score just seven points on seven shots. We are 47 games into the season and Smart still hasn’t to figured out a way to mix his starters and reserves. After an entertaining first quarter, Smart went deep to the bench, using Aaron Brooks, Marcus Thornton, James Johnson, Travis Outlaw, Robinson and Chuck Hayes. By the time Smart went back to his starters, the game was over.

    Time and again this has been the problem. My patience with Smart is now gone. Bajaden was right in his criticism which was on point. His sub patterns have no basis in what it takes to win. He is crap shooting with a dysfunctional approach to substitutions.

    While Hayes is a smart player, never have him in without Cuz or JT.
    Brooks has played his way to the bottom of the barrel.
    Fredette is becoming the PG and plays well with Cuz.
    TRob needs more minutes and more Prozac type coaching.
    Cuz may be going about it the wrong way but he is the most important cog in the Kings engine. Coach HAS to solve it.
    The problem with Smart is that his ego, or need to be right, outshines his powers of observation.
    He's a dead coach walking.

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    I looked at this for tonight only as I have only recently jumped on the anti-Smart bandwagon. I'm sure it represents quite a few views but just thought it hit the nail on the head as the root of Kings ills for some time. I as some other did, gave Smart the benefit of the doubt for the first 20-25 games and maybe I was wishful thinking a bit longer. But 47 games in the Kings are no better off than 10 games in and he clearly doesn't seem to have a clue.

    But the bad news is the Kings are powerless to do anything about it until there is new owner in place and who knows when that will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CruzDude View Post
    I looked at this for tonight only as I have only recently jumped on the anti-Smart bandwagon. I'm sure it represents quite a few views but just thought it hit the nail on the head as the root of Kings ills for some time. I as some other did, gave Smart the benefit of the doubt for the first 20-25 games and maybe I was wishful thinking a bit longer. But 47 games in the Kings are no better off than 10 games in and he clearly doesn't seem to have a clue.

    Bit the bad news is the Kings are powerless to do anything about it until there is new owner in place and who knows when that will be.
    I'm sure Gavin will summon some power to fine Cousins for ripping the organization in this post game comment about no IT at the All Star weekend:

    “There’s no reason Isaiah shouldn’t have been in that game,” Cousins said. “He’s had an incredible year and once again he’s not even mentioned. I feel like that’s on the organization.

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    The problem with Smart is that his ego, or need to be right, outshines his powers of observation.
    He's a dead coach walking.
    He is a dead men walking and he knows it too so he is going down swinging. He might also be under the directive to tank hard so that new ownership has better odds of getting 1st pick.

    Bottom line, he just ain't good!
    Jim Capers once called a foul on me while I was sitting on the bench. Tweet! "Foul, number fifty-three! Five-three!" Everybody was confused and looking around for number 53, so I stood up and said, "I'm over here and the only thing I'm fouling is the water bottle." - Darryl Dawkins

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    That quote from Ham is dead on, but it doesn't take a genius to see how atrocious Smart's sub patterns are. We compete, compete, compete - Smart pulls a 5-for-5 sub, and the lead not only disappears but actually puts us down by double digits (nearly every single game.) The only ones that don't acknowledge it is MSE and their talking heads.

    My favorite part of the night was seeing the halftime's video compilation of the best plays for January. Yes, I so love watching our best plays from multiple double-digit blowout losses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warhawk View Post
    With all due respect, James Ham is an idiot. Now he may be correct on this point, but we have been saying that here since the first week of the season (guessing on exact start date, but you get the point). He probably read it here first.
    An idiot he is. His analysis is completely absent most of the time and he regularly misses on the things he actually does bring up. He didn't even acknowledge issues with Smart until pretty recently, barely noticed the rotation issues until recently, still hasn't noticed defensive issues and when he finally provided some analysis recently, it was about Jimmer needing to demand more minutes, shoot more, and tell his teammates he's shooting more because he has a higher FG% than them. The last thing we'd need is Jimmer just coming in and jacking like crazy. Most want him playing more because he's shooting less and compliments Reke/Cuz well, which was lost on Ham.

    Here's an example, and a quote posted here a couple days ago:

    Conventional wisdom would lead one to assume that leaving at least half of the Evans/Cousins duo on the floor at all times would be favorable. It was a question I posed to Smart at a practice last week.
    On if it’s possible to have either Evans or Cousins on the floor throughout all 48 minutes of a game.
    [INDENT]Only problem – if I were to have great separation in the first quarter, to where I got this first quarter under control and I’m not losing too much, then I can do that. You know, it’s so hard – you want to try and keep your best players on the floor as much as you can. But trying to have one guy off the floor and then trying to somehow get it spread around, it’s hard to do. It’s hard to do because obviously Tyreke’s got to make plays off the dribble from on the floor. So now you move him off because now you have Cousins, who’s playing pretty well, so you’re trying to utilize what he does to keep you in a scoring count. By that, meaning when Marcus (Thornton) comes in, he has to pick up that slack.
    Okay, now once you get into the second quarter, Cuz gets his blow, Tyreke is now getting ready to come back depending on where Marcus is at – now hopefully you can move it to where you can close off the second quarter, which last night (Jan. 23 vs. the Suns) we did. Now you kind of try to duplicate the same thing in the third quarter, but it’s hard to take when you don’t have anyone that’s close to those two guys in what they do because they’ll command the attention. Tyreke has the ball – teams (are) coming over, the defense is loading up. Cuz has the ball – they’re coming down to trap or double. When you don’t have that kind of attention, teams won’t guard the other players.
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    Smart knows he can’t make everyone happy – players, media and fans alike. This may not be what people want to hear, but it is part of his philosophy. And while he’s coach of the Kings, he’ll continue to have the final say.
    I mean, that at the end is his analysis of Smart's incoherent response to a question he personally asked Smart himself? There's no analysis. It's more of, that's what Smart said and that's the way it is. There's far better analysis here. Far better. You almost gain nothing from the media/bloggers who cover the Kings because a) it seems they don't understand basketball or any of the intricacies of what we're actually watching and b) they act like they don't want to say something which might rub someone the wrong way and they lose their press passes.

    I just hate our basketball coverage, although the arena coverage has been very good.
    Last edited by rainmaker; 01-30-2013 at 11:28 PM.


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    Our franchise literally is about to rise from the ashes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWP777 View Post
    You guys are SO MEAN!!!
    Don't worry, I still love you.....By the way, Cuz sends his love as well!
    Its hard to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunks View Post
    Big fella just needs to focus.

    I miss DFC
    Right now I'm missing KFC!
    Its hard to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

    Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn't work hard.

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    I prefer angry Cuz, he is more likely to KO Keith Smart.

    Haruka Ayase please

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    No valuable coach
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    No coherence
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    Well i certainly won't defend IT in this one, shot wasn't falling, and i counted about 4 really ill advised shots.

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    The organization is going to be gone next year, so I'm not worrying about it. Regardless of who the new owner(s) is, it's going to be interesting to see whether there are immediate major trades made this summer or whether they want to have an assessment period in which they want to personally scrutinize the performance of the players before the 2014 trade deadline.

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    My best guess is that Smart will be gone. A new coach (McMillan??) will come in, assess what we have, then ask for action to be taken. I doubt that they would clean house before that coach comes in, but it should make for an active 2014, especially given our current cap flexibility relative to other teams and with Burklestrov's pockets.

    Unfortunately, new ownership is going to have to work their tails off to keep Evans/Cousins from leaving/imploding. They would need to build a winner right away, but with a few key moves (one obviously being the coach), I think they can make this team competitive. There's no reason why it shouldn't be right now, other than Smart making everyone a shell of their former selves, so I guess kudos to him for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CruzDude View Post
    James Ham of Cowbell Kingdom said it best and has ID'd the crux of the Coaches problem:

    The Kings bench was flat out atrocious in the first half, combining to score just seven points on seven shots. We are 47 games into the season and Smart still hasn’t to figured out a way to mix his starters and reserves. After an entertaining first quarter, Smart went deep to the bench, using Aaron Brooks, Marcus Thornton, James Johnson, Travis Outlaw, Robinson and Chuck Hayes. By the time Smart went back to his starters, the game was over.

    Time and again this has been the problem. My patience with Smart is now gone. Bajaden was right in his criticism which was on point. His sub patterns have no basis in what it takes to win. He is crap shooting with a dysfunctional approach to substitutions.

    While Hayes is a smart player, never have him in without Cuz or JT.
    Brooks has played his way to the bottom of the barrel.
    Fredette is becoming the PG and plays well with Cuz.
    TRob needs more minutes and more Prozac type coaching.
    Cuz may be going about it the wrong way but he is the most important cog in the Kings engine. Coach HAS to solve it.
    This is funny... reminds me of the logic sections of Placements tests back in high school / college days...
    9 People are riding a bus...
    Jenny can only sit next to someone with red hair...
    Bill wants to sit by his best friend.
    Alex is best friends with Kenny.
    Andrea is allergic to Peanuts, and Frank has a PBJ sandwich...

    lol - remember those?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    My best guess is that Smart will be gone. A new coach (McMillan??) will come in, assess what we have, then ask for action to be taken. I doubt that they would clean house before that coach comes in, but it should make for an active 2014, especially given our current cap flexibility relative to other teams and with Burklestrov's pockets.

    Unfortunately, new ownership is going to have to work their tails off to keep Evans/Cousins from leaving/imploding. They would need to build a winner right away, but with a few key moves (one obviously being the coach), I think they can make this team competitive. There's no reason why it shouldn't be right now, other than Smart making everyone a shell of their former selves, so I guess kudos to him for that.
    I honestly dont think we're that far away from scrapping for the 8th seed at worst. Its just that the cheap *** Magoofs, GP and his lazy, ham-fisted, approach to roster building, and the rotating carousel of pathetic coaches has held back the franchise. We have the kickass core of Reke/Cousins, we have some good trade pieces (not many, I'd say IT, T-Rob, JT, and Thornton are our most movable assets, maybe Jimmer), all we really need is a legit coach, a pass first PG (or even just a Beno), and a full sized 3 to kickstart the playoff push. Our pathetic FO has made the rebuild seem impossible when really we're quite close.

    New ownership and no Petrie will do wonders for the franchise overnight.
    Optimism FTW!!

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    since were stuck with Keith Smart until the ownership changes, i think they will finish the season at a pathetic 21-61. yes only 4 more wins

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