Bring Your Own Burkle and other latest stuff

[Schmoe]

I care who owns the Kings but only in being super careful. Luckenbill bought them when they were in Kansas City and apparently told the Kansas City folks his intention was to keep the team in Kansas City. There may have been contingencies under which he could move the team. Three years later he moved them to Sacramento. I would want to be very careful about their intentions and I think the multi-whale plus 20+ guppies and the present minority owners seems to be as safe as we could have it.

This, but also the fact that KJ and the city wouldn't put $255M toward a downtown arena without that 30-year lease.

[VF21]

Sounds right to me and, as you say, the Maloofs can't lose, they get their money either way. If it stays in Sacramento, they get their money and are still "good guys" - they didn't get the black eye of letting the franchise slip away - a double win for them. Let's hope their ploy works.

I must not be reading your post correctly. The Maloofs "good guys" ship sailed quite a while ago, crashed on the rocks and sank like a stone. There's not even enough wreckage for any kind of salvage operation at this point.

[VF21]

Just got my response back....

"Say you've been renting a house for a number of years. You've always told the owner that you would buy it if he ever decided to sell. He remained adamant about not selling. Finally, one day you find out he has offered the house for sale to a stranger. Would you be happy? Wouldn't you want first refusal to match the stranger's offer? That's where we're at. We do NOT want an expansion team. We want to keep our team - and the history that goes with it."
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That's not an equivalent argument. As a renter you have zero right to purchase the property. There is nothing in real estate law, anywhere, that would even warrant that discussion.

NBA franchises are extremely different. Ownership contracts can vary wildly between teams and the NBA and it's draconian leader, David Stern, ultimately get the final say in the matter.

Everyone should know that pro-sports are businesses. The ONLY chance a pro-sports team has at remaining loyal to a city is the specific ownership group itself that owns the team. That's what failed Seattle. The ownership (the spineless, weasel Howard Schultz) is the reason the Sonics left Seattle. And the Maloof family is the reason the Kings will ultimately leave Sacramento.

Equivalent argument? We're talking about opinions and feelings here. Your friend obviously cannot find a way to put himself into our shoes, which is what I was trying to get him to see. I've said this before and I'll say it again...the name of the board is KINGSFANS. We're in enough of a funk already and the emotional roller coaster ride we've been on FOR YEARS is much worse than anything people not from Sacramento could possibly imagine.

Is it that hard for you to understand? If we wanted to debate this with Seattle folks, we'd be participating in some of the Seattle forums.

[butteredbiscuit]

Equivalent argument? We're talking about opinions and feelings here. Your friend obviously cannot find a way to put himself into our shoes, which is what I was trying to get him to see. I've said this before and I'll say it again...the name of the board is KINGSFANS. We're in enough of a funk already and the emotional roller coaster ride we've been on FOR YEARS is much worse than anything people not from Sacramento could possibly imagine.

Is it that hard for you to understand? If we wanted to debate this with Seattle folks, we'd be participating in some of the Seattle forums.

It isnt too hard for me to understand. I just did what you asked me to do. You asked me to ask him and so I did. Then I posted it. Maybe I should have messaged you with it maybe. But I completely understand.

As a person who used to be in sports radio with connections, that is how most seattle people feel like. A lot do feel that the Kings shouldnt be leaving Sacramento. But a lot of people feel that that they should get any team possible. They just feel that they have been wronged and that someone else should pay for it including the fans. But the general consensus is many want the Kings to stay. I have talked to many people in the sports radio business on this subject and they have told me if they had a chance to have expansion, they would rather take the expansion instead of the Kings. But there are many who say we have to get whatever team we can because we want a team. So that is why they act like jerks to Sacramento people.

I dont feel the Kings should leave Sacramento either. But what I hear is that they arent and I am glad for that. But I would be planning for new owners though.. But I do support expansion if the NBA BOG decide that the agreement is valid and no other person can break the agreement. But Hansen is going to hold off paying the $30 million non refundable unless he finds out he can get an expansion team. Then he won't pay!

Do I think the BOG is going to turn down the deal? YES! That is why Stern is telling KJ to keep going. You want to know why? He wants to expand. He wants to expand into the Vancouver market again and into England. He also likes Louisville and Kansas City. He doesnt like Vegas though. Too many temptations for NBA players there to do what Tim Donahy did. Stern is setting up a showdown to open up a bidding war among Sacramento bidders. There are only 2 main bidders in this and one has a truck load of dough and was told that he has no chance of moving the team to San Jose. Even though he is a Laker fans, he wont be able to get the Lakers even though the Buss Family are currently having family issues and is quietly dividing the family in half. Let's just say that Jeanie and Jim Buss havent talked since Mike Brown was fired. I have a feeling (not confirmed or anything) that the NBA is going to grant Burkle to choose another site for the arena instead just sticking with one site at the railyards. Dont be surprised about that!

Loser gets an expansion team! But if things change and they often do due to people changing their minds, then I would chose the alternative of expansion.

[whozit]

It isnt too hard for me to understand. I just did what you asked me to do. You asked me to ask him and so I did. Then I posted it. Maybe I should have messaged you with it maybe. But I completely understand.

As a person who used to be in sports radio with connections, that is how most seattle people feel like. A lot do feel that the Kings shouldnt be leaving Sacramento. But a lot of people feel that that they should get any team possible. They just feel that they have been wronged and that someone else should pay for it including the fans. But the general consensus is many want the Kings to stay. I have talked to many people in the sports radio business on this subject and they have told me if they had a chance to have expansion, they would rather take the expansion instead of the Kings. But there are many who say we have to get whatever team we can because we want a team. So that is why they act like jerks to Sacramento people.

I dont feel the Kings should leave Sacramento either. But what I hear is that they arent and I am glad for that. But I would be planning for new owners though.. But I do support expansion if the NBA BOG decide that the agreement is valid and no other person can break the agreement. But Hansen is going to hold off paying the $30 million non refundable unless he finds out he can get an expansion team. Then he won't pay!

Do I think the BOG is going to turn down the deal? YES! That is why Stern is telling KJ to keep going. You want to know why? He wants to expand. He wants to expand into the Vancouver market again and into England. He also likes Louisville and Kansas City. He doesnt like Vegas though. Too many temptations for NBA players there to do what Tim Donahy did. Stern is setting up a showdown to open up a bidding war among Sacramento bidders. There are only 2 main bidders in this and one has a truck load of dough and was told that he has no chance of moving the team to San Jose. Even though he is a Laker fans, he wont be able to get the Lakers even though the Buss Family are currently having family issues and is quietly dividing the family in half. Let's just say that Jeanie and Jim Buss havent talked since Mike Brown was fired. I have a feeling (not confirmed or anything) that the NBA is going to grant Burkle to choose another site for the arena instead just sticking with one site at the railyards. Dont be surprised about that!

Loser gets an expansion team! But if things change and they often do due to people changing their minds, then I would chose the alternative of expansion.

Seattle given an expansion team is fine, actually preferred in my biased opinion. However, taking the current Kings team and replacing them with an expansion team runs the risk of a poisoned market. Even with a messed up unbalanced roster the fans have the love hate relationship with these players. Severing that connection and trying simply to replace it doesn't always work, it just wouldn't be the same.

[Čarolija]

To be honest, expansion team to Sacramento makes no sense. Why move a team in the first place. I have every confidence that Kings will stay in Sacramento under new ownership.

[LWP777]

To be honest, expansion team to Sacramento makes no sense. Why move a team in the first place. I have every confidence that Kings will stay in Sacramento under new ownership.

Exactly. I really don't see a scenario in which we would get an expansion team. I think it's all or nothing with the Kings leaving or staying.

[jdbraver]

I don't see expansion. I see us having to wait for another team to move here. Mean while we build a stadium.

[Section 101]

Great read on Seattle. Basically, it says it will be tough for Seattle to support an NBA team and be able to pay off the debt. It will be tough for them to compete for sponsors and suite money against the Mariners, Seahawks and MLS. Also, a good review of why they lost the Sonics in the first place.

http://sportspressnw.com/2013/01/thi...about-seattle/

[JB_kings]

Great read on Seattle. Basically, it says it will be tough for Seattle to support an NBA team and be able to pay off the debt. It will be tough for them to compete for sponsors and suite money against the Mariners, Seahawks and MLS. Also, a good review of why they lost the Sonics in the first place.

http://sportspressnw.com/2013/01/thi...about-seattle/

I think they only way their investment pays off is if they can start a regional sports network with a partner like the Mariners. The arena revenue will not cover what they are spending. I know Ballmer is loaded, but so is Paul Allen and he got to a point where losing money on the Blazers and their arena was a burden to him.

Even RSN's need good content. The Mariners and reincarnated Sonics are not exactly hot products on the field and court. The Mariners were 26th in attendance last season.

[Section 101]

I think they only way their investment pays off is if they can start a regional sports network with a partner like the Mariners. The arena revenue will not cover what they are spending. I know Ballmer is loaded, but so is Paul Allen and he got to a point where losing money on the Blazers and their arena was a burden to him.

Even RSN's need good content. The Mariners and reincarnated Sonics are not exactly hot products on the field and court. The Mariners were 26th in attendance last season.

Yep, Seattle fans like to keep mentioning the bigger market, but fail to mention the competition for money. The sonics lost last time and doesn't look like anything has changed.

RE at it again this morning. Says it will come down to the better arena plan.

Remember to read from bottom up on tweets.

R.E. Graswich ‏@REGraswich

Sac RR yards arena very complex & challenging deal, but a winner. Building new owner group plus arena doubles complexity. That's the story.

R.E. Graswich ‏@REGraswich

Sac's arena plan will have to be tight and truly funded to the dollar. No time for buying time.

R.E. Graswich ‏@REGraswich

Nailing down arena & premium inventory partners gives competing city big lift.

2h R.E. Graswich R.E. Graswich ‏@REGraswich

Prediction: ultimate NBA decision won't hang on new owner but rather most solid arena plan (followed by premium inventory sales).

2h R.E. Graswich R.E. Graswich ‏@REGraswich

Hansen must hope to avoid Sac momentum builder & spring uprising in April. All bad for Seattle. Quick close out best for them.

2h R.E. Graswich R.E. Graswich ‏@REGraswich

Seattle's Hansen strategy: keep quite while Sac makes news trying to keep Kings.

[pshn80]

I must not be reading your post correctly. The Maloofs "good guys" ship sailed quite a while ago, crashed on the rocks and sank like a stone. There's not even enough wreckage for any kind of salvage operation at this point.

Quite true. Let's that selling local makes them less bad guys. Fine distinction but I think real for them. Put another way- they can't control the outcome but I believe they would prefer local ownership at the same price. Down with the spite/vengeance factor.

[JB_kings]

Yep, Seattle fans like to keep mentioning the bigger market, but fail to mention the competition for money. The sonics lost last time and doesn't look like anything has changed.

RE at it again this morning. Says it will come down to the better arena plan.

Remember to read from bottom up on tweets.

I'm more of a fan of the Downtown Plaza site myself. The only reason the railyards even came up was because Westfield was uncooperative. We don't have all the facts about the financials and time might be tight. But if one of the partners already owns the land, it's not a problem there.

I know where the problem is with DTP. It's that the east end of DTP where the arena is planned, is 1,920 of the 5,144 garage parking spots in the parking concession deal. That is about 37% of the total garage spots. So the trick is to replace those spots with a new garage(s) both onsite and offsite. Losing 37% of the spots means losing 95 million of the 255 million from the city.

[Section 101]

I'm more of a fan of the Downtown Plaza site myself. The only reason the railyards even came up was because Westfield was uncooperative. We don't have all the facts about the financials and time might be tight. But if one of the partners already owns the land, it's not a problem there.

I know where the problem is with DTP. It's that the east end of DTP where the arena is planned, is 1,920 of the 5,144 garage parking spots in the parking concession deal. That is about 37% of the total garage spots. So the trick is to replace those spots with a new garage(s) both onsite and offsite. Losing 37% of the spots means losing 95 million of the 255 million from the city.

True, but if JMA Ventures is now partner they could be making up the difference.

[JB_kings]

True, but if JMA Ventures is now partner they could be making up the difference.

Been working that puzzle. Possible answers are that Macy's has 299 private spots. That could be conveyed to the city once the Macy's store sells. During construction of the arena, not all of the east end plaza is needed for the arena itself. If they can include a new city owned garage with premium event parking of about 800-1,000 spaces, it could offset the loss somewhat. Less spaces, but higher value spaces. They actually had a premium garage added to the railyards late in those negotiations. I think David Taylor was going to bankroll that. Not insurmountable, but they have to work out a lot of these details. I think the move of the site to DTP serves the city better in the long run and the end result will be one of the finest downtown arena projects in the country. It's the right place.

Yesterday I had lunch and Pizza Rock on K St. and walking through that whole area down there just screams with exciting possibilities.

[Fear the Putin]

Mastrov met with the 20 local investors today

http://blogs.sacbee.com/city-beat/20...investors.html

Mastrov, who reportedly made an unsuccessful bid of $350 million to buy the Golden State Warriors in 2010, is in serious discussions with billionaire Ron Burkle on teaming up on a bid to purchase the Kings and keep them in Sacramento. The pair has also discussed partnering on a plan to help build a new downtown sports arena, most likely at the site of the Downtown Plaza, sources have told The Bee.

[funkykingston]

This morning was my first and last visit to "Sonics Rising". I made the mistake of venturing that way to see if there was any additional news from Seattle's side and perhaps find some perspective from the other side of things.

What I found is this:

For all the vitriol and anger Seattle fans tend to hurl at Clay Bennett and OKC, they themselves are worse. Much worse.

The vast majority of posts were mocking or jeering comments directed towards Sacramento's efforts to retain the Kings with the occasional disclaimer of fake sympathy.

Shameful really.

The Sonics were taken from them in shady and unfair circumstances, but they are more than happy to do exactly the same to another group of fans. Knowing what the experience is like and yet gleefully wishing for it to happen to others makes them worse than OKC.

[gunks]

I live in Seattle, and I can honestly say that a lot of the people up here are snarky, passive aggressive, rude, or just downright douchey.

But we only get (on average) 58 sunny days a year up here, so can you blame us?

[JB_kings]

This morning was my first and last visit to "Sonics Rising". I made the mistake of venturing that way to see if there was any additional news from Seattle's side and perhaps find some perspective from the other side of things.

What I found is this:

For all the vitriol and anger Seattle fans tend to hurl at Clay Bennett and OKC, they themselves are worse. Much worse.

The vast majority of posts were mocking or jeering comments directed towards Sacramento's efforts to retain the Kings with the occasional disclaimer of fake sympathy.

Shameful really.

The Sonics were taken from them in shady and unfair circumstances, but they are more than happy to do exactly the same to another group of fans. Knowing what the experience is like and yet gleefully wishing for it to happen to others makes them worse than OKC.

I purposely avoided their forums. I guess it was a good choice.

[bajaden]

Quite true. Let's that selling local makes them less bad guys. Fine distinction but I think real for them. Put another way- they can't control the outcome but I believe they would prefer local ownership at the same price. Down with the spite/vengeance factor.

If anyone has earned spite, and Vengence, its the Malools. You want to forgive them, have at it, but I won't be a party to it. You believe they would perfer to sell to a local owner? Why? What have they done or said that would lead anyone to believe that. Or is it just wishful thinking on your part? They've had ample opportunity to state their true intentions, and we've heard nothing, other than lies, saying that the team wasn't for sale, and that they would never sell, but then going behind the backs of the city, and the minority owners, and trying to sell the team to Seattle.

I defended the Maloofs for a long long time. But no more! As far as I'm concerned, they're the scum of the earth!