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    Coach Smart to tighten up rotation this time??

    I know we've all heard this song and dance from Coach Smart before, but according to the Sacramento Bee, Coach Smart says he's going to stick to a rotation and piss off those that don't get to play. Does anyone really believe he will do this, and if so who do you think gets the shaft? I"m guessing Jimmer, Outlaw, Garcia, and possibly James Johnson.

    Sacbee Article http://www.sacbee.com/2013/01/18/512...ings-more.html

    I personally would like to see Brooks on the pine a little more and dare I say it, Jimmer start at PG with IT and Thorton providing that spark off the bench.
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    While I'm pleased he's finally woken up, what the hell took so long? If he knows a tightened rotation leads to wins, why not do it say... at the start of the year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by t-rex View Post
    I know we've all heard this song and dance from Coach Smart before, but according to the Sacramento Bee, Coach Smart says he's going to stick to a rotation and piss off those that don't get to play. Does anyone really believe he will do this, and if so who do you think gets the shaft? I"m guessing Jimmer, Outlaw, Garcia, and possibly James Johnson.

    Sacbee Article http://www.sacbee.com/2013/01/18/512...ings-more.html

    I personally would like to see Brooks on the pine a little more and dare I say it, Jimmer start at PG with IT and Thorton providing that spark off the bench.

    I don't trust anything he says particularly, but this can only be a good thing. He made some noises about it after the Cleveland game. At the time I thought he was using it as an excuse for having ****ed up by benching Reke for too long. Now he's making more noises about it after a Washington game when he actually rode his big horses and completely cut out guys like Thornton and TRob. Maybe something is actually going on here. I'm just afraid that he has such a short attention span that if we have one bad loss using real rotations it will send him off spinning chasing the next rainbow. He has to understand this isn't a gimmick or a trick, this is just how its done. Play Reke and Cousins as long as they can go. Find 6-7 support guys a night. Not 8. Not 9. Not 10. Play 8-9, ride it, and let them develop some chemsitry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t-rex View Post
    I know we've all heard this song and dance from Coach Smart before, but according to the Sacramento Bee, Coach Smart says he's going to stick to a rotation and piss off those that don't get to play. Does anyone really believe he will do this, and if so who do you think gets the shaft? I"m guessing Jimmer, Outlaw, Garcia, and possibly James Johnson.

    Sacbee Article http://www.sacbee.com/2013/01/18/512...ings-more.html

    I personally would like to see Brooks on the pine a little more and dare I say it, Jimmer start at PG with IT and Thorton providing that spark off the bench.
    shafting Jimmer after he rode him for the entire 2nd half and he pretty much saved the Kings collected ***es would be really weird. he should be one of the greater beneficiaries of this thing. personally, I'd be satisfied if Smart could decide on one of the small chuckers and stop this "well, you haven't played at all in the first half, you should definitely play most of the second." thing he has going on.
    I would sell my soul for a soul worth keeping.

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    ya i was for the first time ever actually impressed with his post game conference. talking about how hes gonna tighten the rotations and not everyone is gonna be happy on the team oh well

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    I continue to be skeptical, but if he does it, then good for him, and more importantly, good for the team. Part of their inconsistent play comes from inconsistent minutes. Unless he was simply talking about Garcia and Outlaw, which really isn't too bad, but not enough. I'm guessing either Brooks or IT will see their minutes go down as well, but that's just wishful thinking on my part. (Probably Brooks.)
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    I never want to see T-Rob and Chuck Hayes on the floor at the same time. I would rather develop a T-Rob/JT big man duo than see Chuch Hayes out there. Hayes should only see the floor in specialized instances in order to stop dominating big men from scoring at will on us.

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    This is good news, but let's see if he is a man of his word. I would like to see this rotation...

    PG - Fredette (20 min)/Thomas (20 min)/Evans (8 min)
    SG - Evans (18 min)/Thornton (30 min)
    SF - Salmons (36 min)/Evans (12 min)
    PF - Thompson (14 min)/Robinson (23 min)/Hayes (11 min)
    C - Cousins (37 min)/Thompson (11 min)

    Evans - 38 minutes
    Cousins - 37 minutes
    Salmons - 36 minutes
    Thornton - 30 minutes
    Thompson - 25 minutes
    Robinson - 23 minutes
    Fredette - 20 minutes
    Thomas - 20 minutes
    Hayes - 11 minutes

    That's 9 players total and I would opt to not play Hayes when we don't need him which would give us an 8 man rotation.

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    I'd like to see Jimmer start, this team isn't making the playoffs(barring a miracle), so lets see if Jimmer is up to the task, he is the perfect fit next to Evans and Cousins, and his defense has improved, it can only get better with consistent minutes and playing against top talents. IT and Thornton are perfect sparks off the bench along with Robinson. We should use Brooks and even Thornton to add size to our frontline, Salmons has had a nice little comeback season, so keep him, or trade him while his stock is relatively up. I think the future of our team could be something like this

    Pg: Jimmer(or someone who is a spot up shooter that can handle)
    sg: Evans
    sf: Defensive 3 pt spot shooter
    pf: JT(or shot blocking pf or Cousins)
    C: Cousins( or shot blocking center ala Tyson Chandler or something, probably what i would prefer, although cuz would lose his quickness advantage that he has against C's)

    Bench

    IT
    T Rob
    Hayes
    fill bench with roleplayers

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    Quote Originally Posted by twslam07 View Post
    This is good news, but let's see if he is a man of his word. I would like to see this rotation...

    PG - Fredette (20 min)/Thomas (20 min)/Evans (8 min)
    SG - Evans (18 min)/Thornton (30 min)
    SF - Salmons (36 min)/Evans (12 min)
    PF - Thompson (14 min)/Robinson (23 min)/Hayes (11 min)
    C - Cousins (37 min)/Thompson (11 min)

    Evans - 38 minutes
    Cousins - 37 minutes
    Salmons - 36 minutes
    Thornton - 30 minutes
    Thompson - 25 minutes
    Robinson - 23 minutes
    Fredette - 20 minutes
    Thomas - 20 minutes
    Hayes - 11 minutes

    That's 9 players total and I would opt to not play Hayes when we don't need him which would give us an 8 man rotation.
    I do not want to see Tyreke as the SF ever. He is the primary ball handler and having him on the floor at the same time as IT and Thornton (which is guaranteed to happen under your rotations) is a recipe for disaster. In fact, Tyreke and IT on the floor at the same time should be kept to an absolute minimum. IT should come off the BENCH for Tyreke. Also, we need to choose between Brooks and Jimmer as Tyreke's on the court buddy. I'd go with Jimmer based on his shooting ability and youth, however I don't exactly think he is 100% ready for a starting role. The only reason I would start him over Thornton is because IT and Jimmer on the floor at the same time is terrible from a defensive standpoint. Opposing SG's would torch us. AB should be traded (maybe with Hayes) for some size at the PF or Center spots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcwkings View Post
    I'd like to see Jimmer start, this team isn't making the playoffs(barring a miracle), so lets see if Jimmer is up to the task, he is the perfect fit next to Evans and Cousins, and his defense has improved, it can only get better with consistent minutes and playing against top talents. IT and Thornton are perfect sparks off the bench along with Robinson. We should use Brooks and even Thornton to add size to our frontline, Salmons has had a nice little comeback season, so keep him, or trade him while his stock is relatively up. I think the future of our team could be something like this

    Lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kings Faithful View Post
    I do not want to see Tyreke as the SF ever. He is the primary ball handler and having him on the floor at the same time as IT and Thornton (which is guaranteed to happen under your rotations) is a recipe for disaster. In fact, Tyreke and IT on the floor at the same time should be kept to an absolute minimum. IT should come off the BENCH for Tyreke. Also, we need to choose between Brooks and Jimmer as Tyreke's on the court buddy. I'd go with Jimmer based on his shooting ability and youth, however I don't exactly think he is 100% ready for a starting role. The only reason I would start him over Thornton is because IT and Jimmer on the floor at the same time is terrible from a defensive standpoint. Opposing SG's would torch us. AB should be traded (maybe with Hayes) for some size at the PF or Center spots.
    The problem is we have only one SF on the team, JJ and he kills us offensively. Someone has to play SF when Salmons is not on the court. Reke is the only one with the size, strength, and speed to do it with any chance of being useful. Unfortunately that will lead to IT and Reke being on the court at the same time, but hopefully for a limited time. We need at least 2 trades to consolidate our talent.

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    The great truth that Smart has never resolved/worked around is that Tyreke Evans is a SG, and Marcus Thornton is a SG, and there are only 48min of SG time a game. So in order to get both guys 30+ min, somebody, namely Reke, has to be shifted out of position.

    I happen to think Thornton is a good SG. I also happen to think his trade value would have been much higher before we trashed it this season. I nonetheless don't think a pure SG, and that is what he is -- too small to play SF, no passing skills/instincts to play the PG -- can work as our 3rd weapon. If he could be truned into a SF the team would take a big step forward jsut on balance alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kings Faithful View Post
    Lol...
    I think he meant TRADE Brooks and Thornton to add size to our frontline.

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    It's not just tightening the rotation, it's tightening the rotation AND still managing sub patterns coherently, which I'm surprised no one here has brought up.

    It was a great sign Smart road his horses last game, as well as tightened the rotation, but there's the aspect that he played Reke all 24 2nd half mins and Cuz all but two, and that was due foul trouble.

    Smart needs to find a way to tighten the rotation yet still spill Reke/Cuz for 4-5 mins per half. Problem is he's literally never done that aside from a 2-3 game stretch where he subbed Reke/Cuz back in at the 8 min mark in the 4th. He's too concerned with letting the bench unit get their time, get a rhythm and impact the game, instead of just having them spell a starter for 4-5 mins and sit back down.

    As for believing anything which comes out of Smart's mouth, I won't, just as I don't believe politicians which he's more of than a good coach. I'll believe it when I see it implemented for a 2-3 week stretch. I don't take anything, anyone in this franchise says at face value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkitect View Post
    The problem is we have only one SF on the team, JJ and he kills us offensively. Someone has to play SF when Salmons is not on the court. Reke is the only one with the size, strength, and speed to do it with any chance of being useful. Unfortunately that will lead to IT and Reke being on the court at the same time, but hopefully for a limited time. We need at least 2 trades to consolidate our talent.

    That's right, Here are our options Jimmer, IT, Brooks, MT. Pick one or two and trade the others packaged with maybe a Hayes or JT and get a really good player back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kings Faithful View Post
    I do not want to see Tyreke as the SF ever. He is the primary ball handler and having him on the floor at the same time as IT and Thornton (which is guaranteed to happen under your rotations) is a recipe for disaster. In fact, Tyreke and IT on the floor at the same time should be kept to an absolute minimum. IT should come off the BENCH for Tyreke. Also, we need to choose between Brooks and Jimmer as Tyreke's on the court buddy. I'd go with Jimmer based on his shooting ability and youth, however I don't exactly think he is 100% ready for a starting role. The only reason I would start him over Thornton is because IT and Jimmer on the floor at the same time is terrible from a defensive standpoint. Opposing SG's would torch us. AB should be traded (maybe with Hayes) for some size at the PF or Center spots.
    I don't think anyone wants to see Evans at SF, but with the way our roster is constructed, it is naive to think that he won't see time there. We have 3 PGs who all deserve at least 15-20 mpg and 2 SGs who both deserve over 30 mpg. In my scenario, I eliminated Brooks from the rotation which makes it a 4 guard rotation but that is still not enough as we have two SGs who deserve over 30 mpg. Evans is going to have to see time at SF. There is just no way of getting around it unless we have injuries.

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    Lol.

    Uh, yeah, sure Keith.


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    so i think Keith Smart is a little confused with the definition of the word "tighten"

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    So, 3 weeks later and Coach has "tightened up" his rotation eh? Limited playing time? Are we still talking about the Sacramento Kings? If ever there was a smoke screen, Smart has blown it in our faces. Every bloody night, 10-11 players yet every bloody night (almost every) wholesale bench subs kill a decent game and dig a big hole. Coach, I guess you haven't noticed but that doesn't work.

    I know Hayes is the smartest tactical center in the league but he IS ONLY 6-6 with no hops!. Ya gotta have a rebounder in at same time: Jt, Cuz? JJ? hmmm

    If Brooks is not helping, dribbles too much and doesn't score much why keep pushing him in there? Jimmer is there and showing improvement in all areas.....if only he could get consistent minutes.

    JT does well playing the 5 without Cuz. So why not start JJ at the 4 with Cuz and bring in JT for big minutes off the bench at the 5 and then the 4?

    TRob is a rookie and coming along. He can be the best guy down low on defense and the offensive boards but needs more minutes to work out his game. No one on the team has a motor like TRob's and plays above the rim like TRob. So then why don't we see more of him?

    The SF slot is still a problem yet Honeycutt sits in street clothes every game and has the hops, shots and motor but gets no minutes. Whose decision is that?

    PG. Really is IT and Jimmer but "whose on first?". Who has better court vision and is more likely to make other players better and not over dribble? hmmmm.

    I just had confession with bajaden last night and realize the Kings season is over. Hell it's been over for awhile. It doesn't have to be but the coach has lead the team down a rabbit hole, and hello Toto, we're not in Kansas (or games) anymore. Nothing will change, nothing is improving. I'm still a fan but it just hurts more than ever before.
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