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Thread: Grades v. Cavaliers 1/2/2013

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    Grades v. Cavaliers 1/2/2013



    The Boogie Monster is starting to really heat up now (16.5pts 12.5reb 5.8ast in 4 games since returning), and he has a Robin. Against the Cavs frontline its exactly what should have happened: 37pts 26rebs 8ast between them. And ballgame.

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    Stats: 32min 7pts (3-6, 1-4, 0-0) 3reb 3ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
    Salmons ( C ) -- not this time. For the entire game that 3 word phrase would have described this outing: not this time. Gee was just better than Salmons at pretty much everything, and John was mostly just a body thrown out there to eat some minutes. His only hit in the early going was a tough shot, i.e. one of those Salmons drives and pullups for a tough little jumper he should never have taken. He wasn't hitting his threes, although the mere threat he might do so got him subbed back in for Johnson at one point as Cuz needed somebody to be a real threat on the kick. And then, after 31 largely wasted minutes, Cuz DID find John on the kick to the corner for the three, and he drained it with 53 seconds to go to send us into the lead and break the Cavs' backs. So, quiet game, clutch three = this grade.

    Stats: 36min 19pts (8-16, 3-4, 0-0) 10reb 2ast 0stl 3blk 1TO
    Thompson ( B+ ) -- His game rarely wavers anymore. Some nice little scores in the early going hit a jumper, missed a one on one post move, got a garbage hoop, the normal. But not on the glass. Once Cousins went out became more effective banging inside and was useful in making sure we almost always had one big inside presence out there in this one. Provided Boogie support in the early 3rd as DeMarcus began working the Cavs over. Support boardwork, cleaning up Boogie misses. Hit a long jumper to start the 4th again and was able to battle and alter numerous shots from the Cavs' shaky frontline. Luke Walton eventually hit a three on him, but who cares, you want Luke shooting. Being solid is oh so valuable to this Kings team, but doesn't make for a lot of grades chatter. Just good/solid Grades grades.

    Stats: 34min 18pts (7-17, 0-0, 4-4) 16reb 6ast 2stl 1blk 1TO
    Cousins ( A- ) -- another very strong game for Cuz. In fact probably stronger than the numbers, and the numbers were big. Got off ot the fast start both on the boards and scoring, but again it might have been the composure and passing that was most impressive. Half the time when he went inside he was actually looking pass first and setting up people both inside and out. Its a huge huge thing when your stars do that. We saw Reke getting that before he left, now Cuz. If we could ever get the two of them together... Ran several good pick and pass plays with Cisco ala the old Webb/Brad Miller offense. Started to overwhelm Zeller as he went along, and then when the Cavs went to the bench and came up with Luke Walton it reached you have to be kidding level. Looked very good and comfortable out there, and when he returned later in the half he immediately resmed the strong play. Hit a jumper, grabbed a strong rebound and made a nice fullcourt pass to TRob leaking out for the layup. Started the third with a bang, hitting a jumper and simply dominating the glass, and still bieng active on defense. Maybe got the benefit of a close call on Walton trying to take a charge, and got the +1 out of it. Not sure how Bill will feel abou Cuz running over his kid next time we are blessed with his presence on a telecast. On the other end blatantly, and as it turns out correctly, refused to even guard Walton, giving him 8 feet of room and encouraging him to chuck up broken jumpers. When he returned to the game for the last time came in as a passer not a scorer, and immediately started setting people up again. Had several near misses, and settled for a jumper when you would have rather have seen him inside -- the shooting numbers are stubbornly low, and that is what I hung the "-" on in this grade, but they weren't bad shots. Just still has to get better at gathering himself inside rather than trying to quickly flip something in. Watch old Shaq videos or something...and I mean game videos, not Kazaam. Came up with the huge steal at a critical time with 3:00 to go, took it rumbling the other way...and damn near fumbled it away at the end. Got enormously lucky Cisco was there to pick it up and lay it in. He was not abel to finish those shots late, and hence as I said, the minus, but he still won the game for us as the passing came forth one more time, and with 50 secodns to go he rumbled across the lane and ratehr than try to flip up the tying shot, he turned it into a drive and dish to Salmosn spotted in the corner for the backbreaking three and a lead we never relinquished therafter. Is averaging 5.8assists/gm since coming back, which is the belated promise he showed the second half of his rookie year.

    Stats: 34min 14pts (6-14, 2-6, 0-0) 6reb 2ast 2stl 2blk 0TO
    Garcia ( B ) -- if last game Cisco was ineffective as could be, during this one he roleplayered up a storm. And really moreso, as he took an abnormally large number of shots, many of them set up by Cuz, both spotting up for threes, and cutting to the hoop as Cuz worked as high post passer. Defensively it was not an excellent outing as he could not control Miles in the early going, and later would have problems with Waiters, although both of those Cavs benefitted immensely from our small guards and got a lot of their production against Jimmer/Brooks. But if Cisco wasn't exactly locking people up, he was very active, got several of his help blocks including a big one in the late 4th, and was even a factor on the glass, which is so rare its almost a first. Was taking a lot of our shots late. Not exactly an ideal situation. Made some big help defensive plays, but missed most of those shots, and a missed open three off of good ball movment at the 1:15 mark could have sunk us . Made plenty fo contributions this time, but remained just Cisco.
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    Stats: 19min 8pts (3-8, 0-2, 2-3) 1reb 4ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
    Thomas ( C- ) -- got off to a poor start to this one, on the very first defensive possession, fouled Irving on the +1 play, and somehow missed several wide open looks he created for himself. He was quickly replaced by Brooks and never returned for the rest of the half. Got off to the much better start to the third, got an assist to Boogie, a 3pt play, and was playing solid defense on Irving. But his team play broke down as the quarter went along and he became increasingly 1 on 1 oriented. Irving began to wake up as well and force offense through him, and after some selfish play in the final minutes of the quarter and a lousy shot to close the quarter, was again repalced and never returned.
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    Grades v. Cavaliers 1/2/2013

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    Stats: 29min 13pts (6-10, 0-2, 1-2) 2reb 3ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
    Brooks ( B ) -- brought in, but was next to Jimmer and somebody had to guard the Cavs fullsized SGs, and was getting overpowered. Nonetheless was really phsyical and aggressive in the early second. Grabbed a couple of srong board,s was attacking inside with speed. He removed the stupid wild passes from his game this time, but offensively I can't say this was really any better than he has been, he just hit thoise tough shots. Took some bad ones, some selfish ones. but made them. Kept on slicing inside for unlikely long armed finsihes. But hey, it worked. And he might have sealed the game with another drive right with 18 seconds to go,. Well...almost. As he suddenly got a chance to nearly wear the goat horn after he got fouled in the intentional foul game wiht 2 seconds ot go, missed the secodn FT to leve us up only 3, and then had to hold his breath as Irving took the rebound and threw up a 3/4 court shot that was dead online and bounced off the front of the iron at the buzzer. That would have been a gut punch had that one fallen. In any case, it was a good game for Brooks without making me any more comfortable with the style in which it was played. But one way or the other, got it done.

    Stats: 15min 6pts (1-5, 0-2, 4-5) 0reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
    Fredette ( D ) -- in at SG where he was effective last game, but really not so at all this time. In the early going he got fouled on a three by Waiters in the final seconds of the first , and hti 2 of the 3 FTs (every missed FT is notable for Jimmer right now as he's over 90% on the season). But in general was pretty closely guarded during his minutes and rarely able to free himself up. Struggled in his second stint, as when he returned in the late third, Waiters took him right to the hoop to cut the lead to 3. Then started the 4th in rough fashion as well, attempting a terrible whirling armed reverse flip inside, and turning it over. Did finally make a contribution, draining two FTs in the final seconds as the Cavs started intentional fouling.

    Stats: 16min 8pts (2-6, 0-0, 4-5) 4reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
    Johnson ( C ) -- very aggressive atacking the rim against the smaller Cavs, not really efficient, but a real force in the early 2nd. Well a force offensively, because for some reason defensively he seemed to have a hard time against Gee, and it was one of his less effective defensive games. Even made the foul the 3pt shooter mistake on Waiters, who is shooting so poorly this season I hardly think you have to foul him to stop him. Let him shoot and prove it. Was just on the border of being out of control in the 4th, asd when he missed a long corner jumper, it was back to Sakmons

    Stats: 17min 2pts (1-5, 0-0, 0-0) 2reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
    Hayes ( C- ) -- as much as we won this one with our inside play, it was all Boogie and JT. Against an oh so intimidating frontline of Tyler Zeller/Tristan Thompson/Luke Walton there wasn't much for a player of Chuck's ilk to do, and he did even less. Mostly working as a high post passer, or even perimeter passer, in the early going, and had a little effect with that. But never any effect defensively, and nobody to effect. Meanwhile had critical attacks of shortness both inside offensively and on the glass, and really we were just biding time with him while Boogie and JT were out.

    Stats: 8min 2pts (1-2, 0-0, 0-0) 2reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
    Robinson ( D- ) -- cratering right now and really needs a reset. I think it would too damaging to the psyche, but Bajaden's D-League idea has some obvious appeal. Grabbed a d-reb, dribbled all the way up court, and then simply refused to pass it, absolutely intent on dirbbling around 1 on team and trying to do something on his own, and almost taking a turnover after 6 seconds of searching before Jimmer finally ran right into his chest to rescue him. A couple of boards and a leakout layup as Cousins threw it ahead to him in the open court, but looking shaky and made a lot of mistakes on defense, including several more of his old don't even put a handup variety. On one play the Cavs, Waiters I think? had a breakout, TRob is the only guy back, Waiters comes in from the left side, and TRob sees him and just goes running by him with his arms at his side. Didn't even challenge him. Acted like a PG who didn't think he could get up. Except TRob is a PF and he can. Not sure he fully realizes that. Anyway, bad outing again, and seems to be clearly fighting his role and his coach. Needs a reset or a breakout game. Something. Not helping at the moment.
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    Lost in all the chaos of Boogiegate 2012 has been JT's development into our best roleplayer. His decision making has improved by leaps and bounds as has his defense and it's really starting to pay off. Will he ever be Tim Duncan? No. But that's what Demarcus is for.
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    I know this is going to sound insane, but Bill Walton is about 500million times more tolerable when you're a beating the defending champions by 20.

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    When everyone is healthy, the Kings have the players to be an 8th seed playoff team, right now.

    Tyreke
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    Boogie

    Tonight showed what the Frontline can do. If this team feeds Cuz and he throws them a bone occasionally, they are scary.

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    Cousins was great. Has he turned the corner? I have no idea. The smiling is encouraging though...

    I think I made a mistake in my response to bajaden's post on Robinson. I don't think think it's mostly about "recognition" problems with Robinson. I don't even think it's mostly about trying to do too much. After tonight's game, it really looks to me that it's about his bad attitude. He played lazily. He purposefully loped up the court a few times (I think it was so that someone would pass him the ball after he crossed the half court line), he didn't put out effort on defense (Smart finally yanked him after he waved to a guy going through the lane), and didn't seem to be mentally in the game (had a 3 second call because of it). All he seemed interested in was getting the ball so he could go one on one. That happened once and of course he flubbed it. Smart's really got to get into this kid's ear. He seems to have a very distorted picture of who he is and what he should do on the court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lwc View Post
    When everyone is healthy, the Kings have the players to be an 8th seed playoff team, right now.

    Tyreke
    MT
    Salmons
    JT
    Boogie

    Tonight showed what the Frontline can do. If this team feeds Cuz and he throws them a bone occasionally, they are scary.
    I think I still prefer MT off the bench (if on the team at all) with Garcia in his slot. Better spacing and ideally less trouble with ball sharing.
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    I know this is going to sound insane, but Bill Walton is about 500million times more tolerable when you're a beating the defending champions by 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tetsujin View Post
    I think I still prefer MT off the bench (if on the team at all) with Garcia in his slot. Better spacing and ideally less trouble with ball sharing.
    I do too. I just listed the five best at each position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingster View Post
    Cousins was great. Has he turned the corner? I have no idea. The smiling is encouraging though...

    I think I made a mistake in my response to bahaden's post on Robinson. I don't think think it's mostly about "recognition" problems with Robinson. I don't even think it's mostly about trying to do too much. After tonight's game, it really looks to me that it's about his bad attitude. He played lazily. He purposefully loped up the court a few times (I think it was so that someone would pass him the ball after he crossed the half court line), he didn't put out effort on defense (Smart finally yanked him after he waved to a guy going through the lane), and didn't seem to be mentally in the game (had a 3 second call because of it). All he seemed interested in was getting the ball so he could go one on one. That happened once and of course he flubbed it. Smart's really got to get into this kid's ear. He seems to have a very distorted picture of who he is and what he should do on the court.
    Yup. Missed a dunk, got called for 3 seconds, let a guy go right past him for a dunk, somehow tried bringing the ball up and dribbling it around and what not and almost turned it over if not for Jimmer. Gave up a few offensive boards to the Cavs as well. I love how anytime he gets a rebound Grant and Jerry say "Good quick reaction there by TRob". There goes a #5 pick.

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    4 game sample is too early to tell still. but ever since that suspension, Cousins has been outstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingster View Post
    Cousins was great. Has he turned the corner? I have no idea. The smiling is encouraging though...

    I think I made a mistake in my response to bahaden's post on Robinson. I don't think think it's mostly about "recognition" problems with Robinson. I don't even think it's mostly about trying to do too much. After tonight's game, it really looks to me that it's about his bad attitude. He played lazily. He purposefully loped up the court a few times (I think it was so that someone would pass him the ball after he crossed the half court line), he didn't put out effort on defense (Smart finally yanked him after he waved to a guy going through the lane), and didn't seem to be mentally in the game (had a 3 second call because of it). All he seemed interested in was getting the ball so he could go one on one. That happened once and of course he flubbed it. Smart's really got to get into this kid's ear. He seems to have a very distorted picture of who he is and what he should do on the court.
    I was seeing the same thing. Very disappointing.
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    The poll question could be wrong. Thornton could be the guy losing minutes when Thornton comes back. We'll have to see how it goes with Jimmer during Thornton's absence. He might end up earning a lot of Thornton's minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingster View Post
    Cousins was great. Has he turned the corner? I have no idea. The smiling is encouraging though...

    I think I made a mistake in my response to bajaden's post on Robinson. I don't think think it's mostly about "recognition" problems with Robinson. I don't even think it's mostly about trying to do too much. After tonight's game, it really looks to me that it's about his bad attitude. He played lazily. He purposefully loped up the court a few times (I think it was so that someone would pass him the ball after he crossed the half court line), he didn't put out effort on defense (Smart finally yanked him after he waved to a guy going through the lane), and didn't seem to be mentally in the game (had a 3 second call because of it). All he seemed interested in was getting the ball so he could go one on one. That happened once and of course he flubbed it. Smart's really got to get into this kid's ear. He seems to have a very distorted picture of who he is and what he should do on the court.
    Sounds like Whiteside another guy who thought he should have been #1 in the draft.
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    JT for the entire year gets an A-

    The guy has been there for us and has been the only consistent person (mentally and physically) on the floor. Serious props to JT.

    Like I said in an earlier post that I got reemed for, JT is a vet that we should keep on the team if we intend to clean house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Section 101 View Post
    Sounds like Whiteside another guy who thought he should have been #1 in the draft.
    Difference being we didn't pick Whiteside #5.

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    I'm looooving all the kick-outs from Cousins. Keeping this behavior up could be a game changer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingster View Post
    The poll question could be wrong. Thornton could be the guy losing minutes when Thornton comes back. We'll have to see how it goes with Jimmer during Thornton's absence. He might end up earning a lot of Thornton's minutes.
    If this happens, Thornton could probably be moved fairly easily. I like him but I like how the team is playing without him. Bring Reke back and I think things could get very interesting, especially with the current attitude the team seems to be bringing to the court. I do not want to get my hopes up, but I'm cautiously optimistic.
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    I voted for IT. I think with Tyreke and Cousins having all the attention Jimmer is going to be more valuable spotting up and hitting shots. IT and Reke don't seem to work so good but Reke and Brooks seem to. That kind of locks in the rotation for me... but with Smart I wouldn't be surprised if he just split the minutes between Brooks/IT/Jimmer and they all suffered equally.

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    Is it crazy to anyone else we're only 4 1/2 games out of an 8 seed right now after everything that has happened this year?

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    Is it crazy to anyone else we're only 4 1/2 games out of an 8 seed right now after everything that has happened this year?
    It is in a way. When you really think about it, we never had our key guys firing at the same time. Now if Cuz continues this form, Tyreke comes back in the sort of form he was in before the injury, JT continuing his consistently good form, Salmons continuing to play his role and with improving Jimmer and JJ this thing really could turn. That is not even counting on MT and IT.

    We really need DMC and Reke firing at the same time to be any chance. JJ, if he can get a consistent spot up jumper and is willing to be a role player is pretty much what we are after at SF. Add another shot blocking, genuine big and really good things could start happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Jamal View Post
    Is it crazy to anyone else we're only 4 1/2 games out of an 8 seed right now after everything that has happened this year?
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