DeMarcus Cousins divides opinions of Sacramento Kings

**jcwkings** · 12-30-2012, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Bricklayer

Think that may be overdramatizing it a bit. There have been similar occurences down in Lakerland for instance. They seem to survive.

But I do think that it may show that Petrie really is on the way out now, that that is not just speculation or wishlisting. And frankly the Maloofs made the decision that the more improtant relationship going foward was between them and Cousins, not them and Geoff. That also means its very unlikely they would let Geoff trade away Boogie as his last act before exiting stage left. Which is frankly a good thing too.

Now DeMarcus has not earned it yet, but elite players on nearly any team, the superstar "so and so" and the "so and sos" players routinely have personal relationships with the owners of those franchises. They in fact are the most important employees those owners have, not the coaches or GM. If the Mavs wanted to suspend Dirk tommorow, you don't think it would have to pass through Cuban first?

Dirk is a respected superstar vet, that is a TRUE PROFESSIONAL and has won a ring as "The Man"/ #1 option. Cousins is a 22 year old punk kid that doesn't know the meaning of professionalism. He is not a superstar nor will he ever be if he doesn't mature and become a professional. Your love for Cousins is just ridiculous, even to the point where you will defend the entitled rich boys with no clue of how a basketball teams works, over guys that dedicated their lives to the sport (Smart/Petrie). Pathetic

**bajaden** · 12-30-2012, 01:11 PM

Amick usually does his homework, so I'd say the article has credibility. As I said the other day, I'd heard that the Maloofs and Petrie were hardly speaking to one another, and this varifies it. Frankly, I think its long past the time for Petrie to hang them up. My fear is that someone within the orginization will be promoted to GM, and not much will change. The Kings need new blood! A different way of looking at things. And hopefully, someone with experience, and a good track record. Of course, if Petrie has been powerless the last few years, its possible that the Maloofs will just hire a yes man, but one can always hope.

I find their asking price of 500 mil almost laughable. And they ask that price because they think the franchise is mobile. So I assume that they think the value of the franchise has nothing to do with the state of the team, or where its currently playing, but only on where the team might be able to move to. And where would that be? Virginia Beach, which is a smaller market than Sacramento. Back to Kansas City, which is a divided market with two other major league teams there. I grew up in St. Louis, and I've been to Kansas City many times. Trust me, Kansas City isn't New York or L.A. The NBA has already ruled out Anaheim, but even if they did allow it, I believe they put a 100 mil relocation fee on the move. So now your up to 600 mil.

The whole thing is like a dark comedy, except the joke is on us. Don't think for a moment that I haven't thought about becoming a Clipper fan. They're a hell of a lot closer to where I live, and it would be nice to just root for a team without all the drama. My problem is that my heart is in Sacramento, so I'm dammed to endure this. So I'll continue to light candles at my Kings shrine in hope that a rich person comes riding in on a white horse and saves the day. Or, David Stern as one of his last acts, don's his black armor, mounts his large black horse, and rides toward Sacramento with bad intentions toward the Maloofs.

Hey, I can dream, can't I? Sacramento having a major league anything was once a dream. Then it was a reality. And now, its a nightmare. But then, a nightmare is a dream too!

**lwc** · 12-30-2012, 01:35 PM

The matter that keeps throwing me is: how long can the Maloofs remain idle? Not investing money into their product but also not selling and not moving?

I wonder why Seattle hasnt been looked at as an option? Seattle wants a team and the Maloofs want a move. (I want the Kings to stay, I am just wondering why that hasnt been explored)

**HereWeVivek** · 12-30-2012, 01:39 PM

^ it has, where have you been lol

Seattle is building an arena.

**bajaden** · 12-30-2012, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by jcwkings

Dirk is a respected superstar vet, that is a TRUE PROFESSIONAL and has won a ring as "The Man"/ #1 option. Cousins is a 22 year old punk kid that doesn't know the meaning of professionalism. He is not a superstar nor will he ever be if he doesn't mature and become a professional. Your love for Cousins is just ridiculous, even to the point where you will defend the entitled rich boys with no clue of how a basketball teams works, over guys that dedicated their lives to the sport (Smart/Petrie). Pathetic

I never thought I'd defend Bricky, but I think your offbase here. Bricky hasn't declared any love for Cousins the man, but with the potential of Cousins the player, and what that value could be to the franchise. Whether you happen to agree or not, that Cousins is a rare commodity that doesn't come around very often, is immaterial, because its subjective. Some of us think thats the case, and some don't, and some simply don't care either way. But there's a distinct difference between looking at a franchise's value, and a player that could be a difference maker, and being in love with the player himself, or his actions.

What Bricky stated, about some players having a personal relationship with the owners of a team, happens to be true, and thats not in any way a defense of the Maloofs. Its just stating facts, and in this particular case, the possible decision of the Maloofs not to trade Cousins, is a good one in Bricky's opinion. But thats hardly an endorsement of the Maloofs. They just happened to make the right decision in this case. At least as far as Bricky is concerned. And, at least for now, I happen to agree with him. Its rare for any kneejerk decision to be a good one. Its always best to let the fires cool down, the smoke clear, and then decide what you want to do.

Now where I disagree with the Maloofs is with their reinstatement of Cousins without even consulting Petrie, or talking to him at all. But apparently the two sides have been on the outs for some time now, so maybe it wasn't that unusual for them. The person getting jerked around in all of this, and no surprise here, is Cousins. Because of the internal feuding within the orginization, there's no cohesiveness, just chaos. As someone on another website said, if you raise a dog with a pack of wolves, don't be surprised if your dog acts like a wolf. Point being, the current inviorment is hardly the place for a troubled young man with problems to solve those problems.

**Kingster** · 12-30-2012, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by LWP777

I completely agree with this. It's probably a pipe dream to think that they will sell but I guess it never hurts to dream, right? Like you said though, there may be a time when they really have no other choice other than to sell. I don't think they are liquid enough to continue owning this team in Sacramento much longer (so it's either sell or find a way to move the team and get bailed out).

The only hope is David Stern or his successor, who would force the Maloofs to sell on the one hand, and maybe induce them to sell with some cash, on the other. If the NBA doesn't step in, the Maloofs will continue to make desperate decisions for short term financial gain and ride this asset down like the worst slumlord.

**Čarolija** · 12-30-2012, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by bajaden

Amick usually does his homework, so I'd say the article has credibility. As I said the other day, I'd heard that the Maloofs and Petrie were hardly speaking to one another, and this varifies it. Frankly, I think its long past the time for Petrie to hang them up. My fear is that someone within the orginization will be promoted to GM, and not much will change. The Kings need new blood! A different way of looking at things. And hopefully, someone with experience, and a good track record. Of course, if Petrie has been powerless the last few years, its possible that the Maloofs will just hire a yes man, but one can always hope.

I find their asking price of 500 mil almost laughable. And they ask that price because they think the franchise is mobile. So I assume that they think the value of the franchise has nothing to do with the state of the team, or where its currently playing, but only on where the team might be able to move to. And where would that be? Virginia Beach, which is a smaller market than Sacramento. Back to Kansas City, which is a divided market with two other major league teams there. I grew up in St. Louis, and I've been to Kansas City many times. Trust me, Kansas City isn't New York or L.A. The NBA has already ruled out Anaheim, but even if they did allow it, I believe they put a 100 mil relocation fee on the move. So now your up to 600 mil.

The whole thing is like a dark comedy, except the joke is on us. Don't think for a moment that I haven't thought about becoming a Clipper fan. They're a hell of a lot closer to where I live, and it would be nice to just root for a team without all the drama. My problem is that my heart is in Sacramento, so I'm dammed to endure this. So I'll continue to light candles at my Kings shrine in hope that a rich person comes riding in on a white horse and saves the day. Or, David Stern as one of his last acts, don's his black armor, mounts his large black horse, and rides toward Sacramento with bad intentions toward the Maloofs.

Hey, I can dream, can't I? Sacramento having a major league anything was once a dream. Then it was a reality. And now, its a nightmare. But then, a nightmare is a dream too!

Don't sweat my friend. The wheel is turning, the Maloofs will sell or NBA will take over. Within 2 years (max) Kings will be owned by new owners who will want to keep the Kings in Sacramento and put a winning product on the floor.

You are right, Petrie will either hang them up before the season is up or his contract won't be renewed at the end of the season. Someone internally will be appointed, probably SAR and he will be a yes man or a front man for the Maloofs who will be making all the decisions which at this point probably is not that bad because they will likely want to keep the young nucleus intact.

Once new owners take over, there will be a new front office, new coaching crew and things will turn. I am a firm believer that Maloofs will not own the team for much longer. Still a fair bit of pain to go through but it will be worth it in the end.

Originally Posted by bajaden

I never thought I'd defend Bricky, but I think your offbase here. Bricky hasn't declared any love for Cousins the man, but with the potential of Cousins the player, and what that value could be to the franchise. Whether you happen to agree or not, that Cousins is a rare commodity that doesn't come around very often, is immaterial, because its subjective. Some of us think thats the case, and some don't, and some simply don't care either way. But there's a distinct difference between looking at a franchise's value, and a player that could be a difference maker, and being in love with the player himself, or his actions.

What Bricky stated, about some players having a personal relationship with the owners of a team, happens to be true, and thats not in any way a defense of the Maloofs. Its just stating facts, and in this particular case, the possible decision of the Maloofs not to trade Cousins, is a good one in Bricky's opinion. But thats hardly an endorsement of the Maloofs. They just happened to make the right decision in this case. At least as far as Bricky is concerned. And, at least for now, I happen to agree with him. Its rare for any kneejerk decision to be a good one. Its always best to let the fires cool down, the smoke clear, and then decide what you want to do.

Now where I disagree with the Maloofs is with their reinstatement of Cousins without even consulting Petrie, or talking to him at all. But apparently the two sides have been on the outs for some time now, so maybe it wasn't that unusual for them. The person getting jerked around in all of this, and no surprise here, is Cousins. Because of the internal feuding within the orginization, there's no cohesiveness, just chaos. As someone on another website said, if you raise a dog with a pack of wolves, don't be surprised if your dog acts like a wolf. Point being, the current inviorment is hardly the place for a troubled young man with problems to solve those problems.

Couldn't agree more. Never thought I would say this BUT thank god Maloofs got in on this one, otherwise Cousins would be on the way out of Sacramento for some flexible pieces. At least this way, we know that the owners are not interested in trading him at least for a while yet so I have no doubt that at this point in time, that is a good thing for us.

Is Cousins high maintenance?! Yes!
Do you throw the baby out with the bath water? No!

The point is, if you get rid of Cousins at this stage, you are treating the symptom and not the cause of the problem. Cousins sure needs to smarten up but by changing other things within the organization that is in DESPERATE need of those changes, a lot of the causes get eliminated and Cousins becomes a lot less problematic in all this and certainly manageable.

**lwc** · 12-30-2012, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Reke 13 Havoc

^ it has, where have you been lol.

Seattle is building an arena.

Okay. I thought they were seeking an expansion team. I didnt know the Kings were a possibility. Now it makes more sense.

**Bricklayer** · 12-30-2012, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by jcwkings

Dirk is a respected superstar vet, that is a TRUE PROFESSIONAL and has won a ring as "The Man"/ #1 option. Cousins is a 22 year old punk kid that doesn't know the meaning of professionalism. He is not a superstar nor will he ever be if he doesn't mature and become a professional. Your love for Cousins is just ridiculous, even to the point where you will defend the entitled rich boys with no clue of how a basketball teams works, over guys that dedicated their lives to the sport (Smart/Petrie). Pathetic

Oh, I defend pretty much whoever gets it right on a particular issue. Many of you lack that ability and need a nice simple story with permanent black hats and white hats. I on the other hand am focused on outcomes. Whoever wants to pull for the outcomes that I think need to happen gets to be white hats for the day. If the story is correct the Maloofs didn't handle this well, they never handle anything well. But their priorities were correct, and they have every right to do whatever they want with their asset. Geoff is just an employee. Its not his franchise. If he's on the outs after this season no owner in the world is going to let their aging soon to retire manager make huge business altering decisions that will linger loing after he's gone without their say so.

Now of course the truth of the matter is you are being a hypocrite. Your irrational despite for Cousins is so great that you needed a particular outcome too. If the report had been Geoff wanted to save Cousins but the Maloofs had stepped in to suspend him and now were trying to trade him over Geoff's objections you'd be happy as a clam.

**VF21** · 12-30-2012, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by lwc

The matter that keeps throwing me is: how long can the Maloofs remain idle? Not investing money into their product but also not selling and not moving?

I wonder why Seattle hasnt been looked at as an option? Seattle wants a team and the Maloofs want a move. (I want the Kings to stay, I am just wondering why that hasnt been explored)

You might want to check out the New Arena forum. Lots of interesting stuff there about Seattle. Primarily, Seattle only comes into play if the Maloofs want to sell. The money there doesn't want an NBA tenant. They want to own (once again) an NBA team. The team would be welcome, the Maloofs not.

**Npliam** · 12-30-2012, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Bricklayer

Oh, I defend pretty much whoever gets it right on a particular issue. Many of you lack that ability and need a nice simple story with permanent black hats and white hats. I on the other hand am focused on outcomes. Whoever wants to pull for the outcomes that I think need to happen gets to be white hats for the day. If the story is correct the Maloofs didn't handle this well, they never handle anything well. But their priorities were correct, and they have every right to do whatever they want with their asset. Geoff is just an employee. Its not his franchise. If he's on the outs after this season no owner in the world is going to let their aging soon to retire manager make huge business altering decisions that will linger loing after he's gone without their say so.

Now of course the truth of the matter is you are being a hypocrite. Your irrational despite for Cousins is so great that you needed a particular outcome too. If the report had been Geoff wanted to save Cousins but the Maloofs had stepped in to suspend him and now were trying to trade him over Geoff's objections you'd be happy as a clam.

I think they got the decision right but they did it the wrong way. Now Demarcus knows he isn't really required to do anything the coach says and no matter what he does it isn't his fault. You could see that he felt justified in his poor behavior by the interview he gave and his general attitude towards the the media.

I don't have any problem with the Maloofs stepping and shortening the suspension. THey would have all the facts and should have the authority to do whatever they seem is right for the franchise. They way the did it alienates their coach and their GM and makes all the players feel as though there won't be consequences for their actions. The should have told smart and Petrie to do it, even if they didn't want to.

**lwc** · 12-30-2012, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by VF21

You might want to check out the New Arena forum. Lots of interesting stuff there about Seattle. Primarily, Seattle only comes into play if the Maloofs want to sell. The money there doesn't want an NBA tenant. They want to own (once again) an NBA team. The team would be welcome, the Maloofs not.

Thank you for the summary.

**Bricklayer** · 12-30-2012, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Npliam

I think they got the decision right but they did it the wrong way.

Don't disagree. You get your story straight behind the scenes before taking any action, then present a united front. Its like raising kids.

**spok22s** · 12-30-2012, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by bajaden

Amick usually does his homework, so I'd say the article has credibility. As I said the other day, I'd heard that the Maloofs and Petrie were hardly speaking to one another, and this varifies it. Frankly, I think its long past the time for Petrie to hang them up. My fear is that someone within the orginization will be promoted to GM, and not much will change. The Kings need new blood! A different way of looking at things. And hopefully, someone with experience, and a good track record. Of course, if Petrie has been powerless the last few years, its possible that the Maloofs will just hire a yes man, but one can always hope.

I find their asking price of 500 mil almost laughable. And they ask that price because they think the franchise is mobile. So I assume that they think the value of the franchise has nothing to do with the state of the team, or where its currently playing, but only on where the team might be able to move to. And where would that be? Virginia Beach, which is a smaller market than Sacramento. Back to Kansas City, which is a divided market with two other major league teams there. I grew up in St. Louis, and I've been to Kansas City many times. Trust me, Kansas City isn't New York or L.A. The NBA has already ruled out Anaheim, but even if they did allow it, I believe they put a 100 mil relocation fee on the move. So now your up to 600 mil.

The whole thing is like a dark comedy, except the joke is on us. Don't think for a moment that I haven't thought about becoming a Clipper fan. They're a hell of a lot closer to where I live, and it would be nice to just root for a team without all the drama. My problem is that my heart is in Sacramento, so I'm dammed to endure this. So I'll continue to light candles at my Kings shrine in hope that a rich person comes riding in on a white horse and saves the day. Or, David Stern as one of his last acts, don's his black armor, mounts his large black horse, and rides toward Sacramento with bad intentions toward the Maloofs.

Hey, I can dream, can't I? Sacramento having a major league anything was once a dream. Then it was a reality. And now, its a nightmare. But then, a nightmare is a dream too!

Lol nobody says you can't root for two teams.

**HndsmCelt** · 12-30-2012, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Mojo

How much do you guys think the Maloofs will need to sell the team?

my limited understanding of their financial situation is that although they how majority ownership of the team the liablities the team has are equal or greater than the apraised value of the team at 350 mill. So in order actually see a dime from the sale they have to get close to 400 mill. and even then might not break even. In any event once the Kings are sold their only major investment would be their stock in Wells Fargo, which lost money in 2011.

**Kingsguy881** · 12-31-2012, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by HndsmCelt

my limited understanding of their financial situation is that although they how majority ownership of the team the liablities the team has are equal or greater than the apraised value of the team at 350 mill. So in order actually see a dime from the sale they have to get close to 400 mill. and even then might not break even. In any event once the Kings are sold their only major investment would be their stock in Wells Fargo, which lost money in 2011.

From the $5,000 burger, to flipping burgers. Ah, to be a Mafool....

**swisshh** · 12-31-2012, 11:14 AM

I might quit the team and the NBA if they trade Cousins. I just don't want to watch the kid dominate the Kings for the next decade while the Kings organization plays dumb about it.

The Kings are the biggest embarrassment in the league. I am not sure who in this organization any other fan would want doing the same thing for their team. No other fan wants the Maloofs. They don't want washed up Petrie. They laugh at Smart. The only thing associated with the Kings that any other team, management, or fan wants is Cousins. That should tell you something.