Suspension OVER.
Cousins back at practice today Per Jason Jones on twitter.
https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/st...83082260381696
Suspension OVER.
Cousins back at practice today Per Jason Jones on twitter.
https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/st...83082260381696
Last edited by UK_King; 12-24-2012 at 10:57 AM. Reason: added link.
Well that was fast.Originally Posted by UK_King
People like me? What the hell is that supposed to mean? You mean, because I disagree with you on something? What is this, North Korea? If you go through my posts, you'll see I'm just as big of a fan of the team as anybody. Am I supposed to be positive about everything Kings related even if it's not positive?
"Dealing with the Maloofs is like dealing with the North Koreans, except less competent." -- Chris Lehane, Director of Think Big
"Size doesn't make any difference; heart is what makes a difference." -- Jerry Sloan.
You don't have enough information to make the statements that you make. You don't know almost anything that goes on between any of the team mates or the coaches. You want to get rid a of talented player based on your conjecture. That is how you are way over the top.
None of us have all the information. That is why we are called fans. You don't have enough information to refute my position on DMC. We are all just speculating. That is the fun in being a fan and posting on this forum, isn't it?
"Dealing with the Maloofs is like dealing with the North Koreans, except less competent." -- Chris Lehane, Director of Think Big
"Size doesn't make any difference; heart is what makes a difference." -- Jerry Sloan.
That didn't take long.
I'm anxious to see how we incorporate Cousins into the play we saw yesterday and if he's willing to buy into that team concept basketball.
I wonder if they brought him back early to showcase him so that they can get more value if they trade him. Having him suspended for an extended time would just diminish is trade value. Also, is it possible the player's union might have gotten involved? I'm assuming that as long as they continue to pay him they can tell suspend him however long they want?
"Dealing with the Maloofs is like dealing with the North Koreans, except less competent." -- Chris Lehane, Director of Think Big
"Size doesn't make any difference; heart is what makes a difference." -- Jerry Sloan.
It's being said on twitter that the celtics, nets and spurs have enquired about him.
Just the rumours don't shoot the messenger.
Now is this good or bad? I suspect his new agent intervened and I DO support Boogie's switch of agents as he needs expert and powerful advice and he needs protection just as the team needs protection from him. This does not solve the problem in the long run. I don't know how much he has been a disruption. My suspicion is that the team has been reacting much like me which, unfortunately is the best barometer I have. I'm inside no one's head but my own. I have always been on edge with Boogie. I always start a game out by checking out his mood. He is a distraction in that way BIG TIME. Also, though, and this seems to be a source of aggravation to some, Boogie seems likeable. Every time I have seen him in an interview and every time he is disciplined, he comes back in a rational, mature, and sincere manner. How do I judge sincerity? I just do and I'm sure some will say it's all an act.
Boogie has long term problems of undiagnosed kind. He is more than just a s***head. There is more to him than that and I have always been an optimist when it comes to people. It may have been a great attitude in my profession and also may have been a reason I have been successful helping people. I have treated professional athletes on the Vikings. They are all human beings and seldom are their problems team related. In fact, in the Bud Grant era, they were supported and either made it with psychiatric help and the support of the team or didn't. Boogie at this point has the support of very few people. It's going to be difficult for him.
Now as to Keith Smart, he may be part of the problem in that from day one, it has been clear that Cousins has a lot of basketball related questions. He did it in college and the coach found him to be understanding and that it paid off to answer Boogie. Westphal didn't have time for those questions. Smart's answers tend to go around in circles. BUT .... Keith Smart handled this well. What happened really should stay in the locker room or it turns into a freak show and the last thing any human needs to be known as is a freak. Boogie is reaching that status. Smart treated him with respect. Smart got a lot of respect from me on that one. I think Smart learned that he was in over his head at trying to be Boogie's friend and that this might solve everything. I hope Smart learned something. He's a coach first and foremost. He shouldn't blur the boundries between friend and coach.
So now what? Perhaps we all go back to holding our breath but more has to be happening. We can survive in breath holding mode but we ALL will be much better off if there is substantial change in Boogie. He has to have made an appointment with a psychiatrist. Not a counselor, not an anger management specialist (never did know what that was but I suspect it was part of my job description for the 30 years I lasted), and one that he likes and trusts. It cannot be someone on the Kings payroll who will report details back to the Kings. My arrangement was merely to say something to the Vikings if there was something to be concerned about. The details are no one's business except Boogie and his psychiatrist. He has to trust that as does any patient. Then we see what happens. Expect no miracles except I think we will see his on the court behavior change gradually far before he senses any meaningful change in himself.
How do people think he views himself? I have always seen the side of him that is embarrassed and remorseful. It doesn't prevent a future problem but we are dealing with his underlying character which I think is good. I doubt if he enjoys losing control.
The self control is the problem on the court. Several people here mentioned they thought he was depressed before I brought it up. Read about major depression and you may find a lot of information you didn't know and that Boogie's problems MIGHT fall into that category. He has deteriorated over the three years not in his temper outbursts but in his sulkiness on the court. What does that mean? I can guess but those are my observations.
Yes, I like Boogie. I will give an alternative view to the observations of people who want to view him as negative as possible. He needs someone on his side. Not saying anything we say makes a difference but I will always present an alternative view. I will not excuse his behavior though. Let's not get those two things confused.
No one needs to agree with what I have written. It is not a requirement of mine or this forum's. I just hope there is not the customary knee jerk reaction to Boogie and mental illness. I hope it adds something to people's knowledge and then it can be rejected or accepted. I don't care. I have long ago quit caring about what some people are saying because I see no supporting evidence. They are blowing smoke just for the sake of blowing smoke.
Edit: I took a few minutes to review info on major depression. Here is what one web site said;
"What Are the Signs of Major Depression in Men?
Depression in men is significantly underreported. Men who suffer from clinical depression are less likely to seek help or even talk about their experience.
Signs of depression in men may include irritability, anger, or drug and alcohol abuse (substance abuse can also be a cause of depression rather than the result of it). Repressing their feelings can result in violent behavior directed both inwardly and outwardly. It can also result in an increase in illness, suicide, and homicide.
There are a whole bunch of other symptoms but these are those specific to men. Very honestly, I was surprised to find what it said about men's symptoms. It isn't that I didn't know irritability was a symptom, it's just that this sounds like Boogie. Punishing him will not cure this IF it is the problem. That's what psychiatrists are for - to tell what is causing what.
Last edited by Glenn; 12-24-2012 at 02:03 PM.
Upwards and onwards.
Wow, I'm sure that lengthy suspension really sent him a message...
Players are not paid if they are on suspension.
Upwards and onwards.
Those rumors make sense. Both the Celtics and the Spurs would be perfect situations for Cousins. The only other viable spot would be up in Minny with Adelman.
That was quick. We need a veteran big man on our team to watch over Demarcus.
"I think there's some revisionism there. Your sig for a long time said Rubio/Mullens/Mills, who between them have combined for about one full NBA game worth of court time. " NME
I think if they went more than 1 or 2 games then the players union would get involved. I don't think the Kings management wants to get into it the the union too.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall. - Pink Floyd
You tend to see things in a negative way which I might admit, is what a lot of people do. It's the easiest route to take. I also think you get a kick out of disagreeing with most posters and even most experts around the league. I don't know how you do it but it happens. To ignore ALL opinions, even NBA experts, means to me you have an agenda that has nothing to do with basketball.
Take a cue from bajaden who is thoughtful and covers the negatives and positives about just about any subject. He does that because there are positives and negatives about almost every topic. I try to but am a bit burned out. You tend to come off in full blast in one direction. They seem to be knee jerk reactions. Let some things go. You have accused me, and yes I call it an accusation, of supporting Boogie almost no matter what. You have disrupted game threads to attack me. You aren't discussing basketball but who is right and who is wrong. I am wrong often and admit it. Are you ever wrong? Now I might be wrong about you, of course, and we have even had respectful interchanges. I think you are intelligent. When it comes to Boogie, you come on in only one direction. If you find the time, read the long note and see what you disagree with. What I wrote are opinions so I'm not sure how I can be wrong but I suspect you will find a way.
I'll discuss it in PM's if you wish.
Last edited by Glenn; 12-24-2012 at 01:14 PM.
Upwards and onwards.
An interesting tid bit from Cowbell Kingdom.
http://www.cowbellkingdom.com/2012/1...fter-one-game/When the practice court was opened to media today, Cousins was seen working individually with Kings assistant Clifford Ray and a player development coach. The Kings big man spent approximately 20 to 30 minutes with Ray after press was allowed in the gym. However at one point, tempers flared noticeably between the two, as Cousins and Ray paused the workout for a brief, but heated exchange
Fegan: "Terminate this suspension or I'll use my power to make sure you'll never get another free agent - EVER"
Kings: "That's OK, we don't plan to anyway"
Fegan: "Ummm... err.... I'll also sue you! And we'll take it to the Player's Union! It'll cost you money!"
Kings announce the end of Cousins' suspension...
This is fair. I do enjoy a good debate so I know I can come across as pretty strong at times. I tend to hold people accountable for their actions and I know that can come as pretty extreme these days but I guess I'm just old fashioned. It just seems nobody is responsible for anything anymore. Obviously, I'm not an insider and don't have all the facts when it comes to Cousins but I feel like I have a pretty good idea of what he's all about based on his behavior on and off the court. I just don't have a lot of patience for guys like him.
At the end of the day, it's all just in good fun. I don't lose sleep over this stuff and I'm sure you don't either. I enjoy expressing my views and opinions on the Kings on this forum. We are so down right now that it's pretty much all we have left! Someday, I hope you and I can debate what we need to do to win a championship instead of all this depressing stuff that we've been seeing with the team the last few years.
"Dealing with the Maloofs is like dealing with the North Koreans, except less competent." -- Chris Lehane, Director of Think Big
"Size doesn't make any difference; heart is what makes a difference." -- Jerry Sloan.
I'm not going to comment on this. I'm not going to comment on this. I'm not going..........
"Dealing with the Maloofs is like dealing with the North Koreans, except less competent." -- Chris Lehane, Director of Think Big
"Size doesn't make any difference; heart is what makes a difference." -- Jerry Sloan.
I'm not sure what the Kings' approach here is, what's a one game suspension going to do? Honestly...where is the discipline here and sticking to your guns.
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