Rumor: Celtics may make another run at Tyreke Evans

[Big Cuz 15]

lol he isn't arrogant. he just knows his **** and backs it up with stats.

[Čarolija]

The hypocricy here is reaching asinine levels.

When a few of us over the last year have presented how much better statistically we were with a Reke/MT backcourt after Smart took over the Reke detractors came out in full force to say the sample size was simply too small. When Reke was our best player pre injury this year, we were .500 with a Reke/Brooks backcourt and Reke was hitting about 45% from 3 over a 7+ game stretch, and hitting mid range jumpers, along with being our best player on both sides of the ball and our best creator, it again was too small a sample size. Although Reke's detractors were full on hiding at that point, or telling us there's simply no way Reke keeps it up, just because. Pretty sure that's the game Reke nailed back to back 3's to push us to a win. Those detractors disappeared that evening too.

Now, while he's injured and the team responds over a short stretch to the Cuz problems, and Cuz comes back playing better, all the sudden that sample size is large enough to once again give reason to send Reke out of town, and in a Sullinger/Green trade? What a complete joke. It's embarrassing, Brick is right. Completely embarrassing how this once proud fanbase constantly needs to turn on a player.

Hypocricy at its best isn't it?!

But really, given the history, did we expect anything different?

[Kingster]

Not sure if everyone caught Smart about a week or so ago. Saying that they scraped the Triangle offense and are not working on a more motion type offense. I think that could be the reason for the new found team play and high assist numbers.

It's interesting that they now have more motion without a motion offense...

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Bring up all the stats you want to Brick. The only one that matters is 6-6 without 5-13 with.

I don't think that's the only one that matters: I'll tell you another one that I think is equally as important: 7-7 versus 4-13.

To me, it's not a "Ewing Theory" situation, it's a "Too Many Cooks" situation. It's not a matter of the team playing better without Evans, it's a matter of there only being one ball. People sometimes forget that, when this team is at "full strength," we have seven shooting guards (three of which are ridiculously undersized, and thus nominally assumed to be point guards, when they really aren't). We have seven shooting guards, whose first instinct is to dominate the ball, and/or chuck it up, as soon as they get their hands on it.

The Kings are 7-7 when five or fewer of them play, and 4-13 when six or more of them play.

So, reducing the number of people chucking the ball at the rim improves ball movement. Who would have thought?

[LWP777]

I don't think that's the only one that matters: I'll tell you another one that I think is equally as important: 7-7 versus 4-13.

To me, it's not a "Ewing Theory" situation, it's a "Too Many Cooks" situation. It's not a matter of the team playing better without Evans, it's a matter of there only being one ball. People sometimes forget that, when this team is at "full strength," we have seven shooting guards (three of which are ridiculously undersized, and thus nominally assumed to be point guards, when they really aren't). We have seven shooting guards, whose first instinct is to dominate the ball, and/or chuck it up, as soon as they get their hands on it.

The Kings are 7-7 when five or fewer of them play, and 4-13 when six or more of them play.

So, reducing the number of people chucking the ball at the rim improves ball movement. Who would have thought?

Good points. This is one reason why we really need to trade 1-2 of those chuckers before the deadline. The thing is....Evans will probably have to be included since he's really the only one of those chuckers who has any serious trade value.

Looking at your stats makes me even more angry that we signed Aaron Brooks. There was absolutely no need for that. I think if they knew that Jimmer was going to be much better this year they wouldn't have made that move.

[The_Jamal]

Good points. This is one reason why we really need to trade 1-2 of those chuckers before the deadline. The thing is....Evans will probably have to be included since he's really the only one of those chuckers who has any serious trade value.

Looking at your stats makes me even more angry that we signed Aaron Brooks. There was absolutely no need for that. I think if they knew that Jimmer was going to be much better this year they wouldn't have made that move.

That's Petrie's major failure as a GM. Aside from building a mismatched roster, he doesn't think about ramifications of playing time for certain players. We had 2 young PG's who obviously needed minutes this year and he goes and signs the definition of an average player in Aaron Brooks. We have 4 back-up SF's who are all around the same talent level and none who benefit from the circus Smart puts them through. We make a major comittment to Trob by drafting him 5th and don't give him any minutes in lieu of Chuck Hayes/ Travis Outlaw/ and James Johnson for the back-up big minutes

[Sac.Kings]

I haven't buzzed in on this trade "rumor," but if you can pry Rondo away from Boston by giving up Tyreke and change, you do it. There are a lot of what ifs with Tyreke, not so much with Rondo. You know what you are getting, and what you are getting is pretty damn good. He has experience, he can be THE leader, at least vocally. Plus with that trade, you clear up some of the SG question and shots can be spread out more evenly.

[KevinSalvadori]

I haven't buzzed in on this trade "rumor," but if you can pry Rondo away from Boston by giving up Tyreke and change, you do it. There are a lot of what ifs with Tyreke, not so much with Rondo. You know what you are getting, and what you are getting is pretty damn good. He has experience, he can be THE leader, at least vocally. Plus with that trade, you clear up some of the SG question and shots can be spread out more evenly.

I agree, and Tyreke has grown on me. If you can get Rondo, who could anchor a lot of need areas for us (assists, distribution, court vision, tempo, possession control, even defense) without giving up DMC, I pull the trigger. But it would cost us. My idea? ThRob, Tyreke, JJ's expiring, and a future pick for Rondo and Varnado. And I don't even know if we can actually trade a pick until the end of the year due to that stupid CLE deal, but that would be the bare minimum I could see BOS wanting for Rondo. They have a fair amount of guard depth with Terry, Bradley, Courtney Lee, 'Reke (should he go), and Barbosa, so getting a true PG back may not be essential for them. What they need desperately is youth (particularly in the front court) and cap room, and we could offer a little of both. Time will tell.

The complimentary deal I would do is the one I've mentioned in other threads on here, Salmons for Wilson Chandler and Randolph. DEN could use that 7m expiring big time next season should they want to resign Iggy, and they have a glut of SG/SF swingmen signed long-term they could afford to lose for cap relief, and with the year Brewer is having, I can't see them wanting to lose any of his minutes right now. We would maintain that expiring for Garcia, which is huge, and get a more solid starting 5 that could actually compete:

C: Cousins/Hayes
PF: Thompson/Randolph/Varnado
SF: Chandler/Garcia/Outlaw/Honeycutt
PG: Rondo/Thomas/Brooks
SG: Thornton/Fredette

I still think we'd need to jettison Brooks for a second rounder or something (or BKY for Teletovic), but that's the team I'd field for now...

PS- One other option: I could see us doing an S&T at the end of the year, with 'Reke re-signed for 8m or so and being shipped with ThRob and our 1st rounder (if we are in lottery) for Rondo...

[UK_King]

Boston have Garnett tied down until 2015 and Pierce another 2 years on huge money. Jeff Green also has a huge contract and Jason Terry and Brandon Bass make a lot of money as well.

Interesting situation for them considering Pierce and Garnett have clearly slowed down big time this year. They will be interesting at the deadline.

[KevinSalvadori]

Boston have Garnett tied down until 2015 and Pierce another 2 years on huge money. Jeff Green also has a huge contract and Jason Terry and Brandon Bass make a lot of money as well.

Interesting situation for them considering Pierce and Garnett have clearly slowed down big time this year. They will be interesting at the deadline.

If I were them I would strongly consider trading one of those bodies (Garnett being most likely option) if the team continues to struggle. OKC had serious interest in him previously, and I could see DEN making a play too, potentially dealing Gallo and another player (this would rely on them being happy with a Garnett/Faried/Iggy/Lawson/Brewer lineup).

[UK_King]

Atlanta and Dallas are teams to watch too, Atlanta performing way above expectation but have Josh Smith unrestricted, they could move him for some nice pieces. Dallas are stinking it up.

[LWP777]

I agree, and Tyreke has grown on me. If you can get Rondo, who could anchor a lot of need areas for us (assists, distribution, court vision, tempo, possession control, even defense) without giving up DMC, I pull the trigger. But it would cost us. My idea? ThRob, Tyreke, JJ's expiring, and a future pick for Rondo and Varnado. And I don't even know if we can actually trade a pick until the end of the year due to that stupid CLE deal, but that would be the bare minimum I could see BOS wanting for Rondo. They have a fair amount of guard depth with Terry, Bradley, Courtney Lee, 'Reke (should he go), and Barbosa, so getting a true PG back may not be essential for them. What they need desperately is youth (particularly in the front court) and cap room, and we could offer a little of both. Time will tell.

The complimentary deal I would do is the one I've mentioned in other threads on here, Salmons for Wilson Chandler and Randolph. DEN could use that 7m expiring big time next season should they want to resign Iggy, and they have a glut of SG/SF swingmen signed long-term they could afford to lose for cap relief, and with the year Brewer is having, I can't see them wanting to lose any of his minutes right now. We would maintain that expiring for Garcia, which is huge, and get a more solid starting 5 that could actually compete:

C: Cousins/Hayes
PF: Thompson/Randolph/Varnado
SF: Chandler/Garcia/Outlaw/Honeycutt
PG: Rondo/Thomas/Brooks
SG: Thornton/Fredette

I still think we'd need to jettison Brooks for a second rounder or something (or BKY for Teletovic), but that's the team I'd field for now...

PS- One other option: I could see us doing an S&T at the end of the year, with 'Reke re-signed for 8m or so and being shipped with ThRob and our 1st rounder (if we are in lottery) for Rondo...

Don't you think that's too much to give up for Rondo?

[Spike]

Three lottery picks? Absolutely.