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Thread: Grades v. Mavs 12/10/2012

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    Grades v. Mavs 12/10/2012

    Woohoo! We bad. Literally.

    The bench was just godawful tonight. Hideous. In a 23 pt loss there was still something to be said for the games of each of the 5 starters (less for Brooks, but still). Virtually nothing to be said for the games of ANY of the 7 benchers. Tough to win when you only have 5 guys on your team that night. Tougher still when the coach insists on playing 7 guys who aren't for nearly 40% of the minutes, including waiting to sub back in our big centerpiece until the lead was safely 20 again and there was no more hope.

    So, since we either win or embarrass ourselves anymore, by rule more girls it will be. but I'll add in a few boys for the ladies, Slim's requested lady from last time...and just anything else I can come up with.

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    Stats: 30min 5pts (2-4, 1-2, 0-0) 3reb 7ast 1stl 0blk 2TO
    Salmons ( B- ) -- retreated back to his normal offensive production this game, but his spirit/focus on passing remained the same. Was having little if any effect on Mayo defenisvely int he early going, as as expected Mayo and Kaman kicked our butts in the first half. Did fire back with a couple of scores, but most of his positive impact this game once again came from his passing, and in particular repeatedly found Cisco open for standstill jumpers. Defense picked up on Mayo in the third during the only stretch of the game where the Kings played acceptable D, but did not lead to much. Was subbed out and never returned because Smart likes his scrubs to all feel good about themselves. Not at alla great performance, in fact neither terribly effective offensively or defensively. But unselfish, and that's such a huge job description he earns some grade here based on it alone.

    Somebody called for Claudia Lynx.

    Stats: 30min 11pts (5-8, 0-0, 1-4) 12reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 2TO
    Thompson ( B- ) -- at no point a real factor, but solid, if erratic throughout. How is one solid but erratic? Well, that means that he came up with good plays on a pretty consistent basis, was our best rebounder, and seemed to be around a lot of plays for most of the night. But on the other hand, he was Jason, which means at any moment his hands and brain could have a short and he blew a number of easy/simple things we needed. Throw on continued helplessness whenever faced with Kaman -- this a career long problem -- and it wasn't a great night. Not bad, not great. Solid. He had a good block in the early going, got a little hoop with 4 minutes to go in the second quarter that was amazingly our first basket of the entire quarter. Added a little jumper in the ealy third as we tried to come back into it. But he also fumbled a critical rebound in the mid 3rd that cost us 2 points just as we were fighting and trying get over the hump and make it a single digit game, and bricked both FTs after he ended up on the line on a play where we should have had a dunk. There was good effort here, a solid performance, but he was less dependable than the numbers might suggest.

    And last time we fell on our face, vs. the Clippers, Slim was asking for Tamala Jones.

    Stats: 35min 25pts (10-17, 0-1, 5-6) 6reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 4TO
    Cousins ( B ) -- what we had here was a good game by Demarcus, and an efficient one. But not an impact game. It was a pretty one dimensional night, as Boogie and Kaman were just flat out better than anybody else inside and scored easily and often from pretty much wherever they wanted to, and there wasn't much that either of them could do, or even tried to do, to stop the other. Wasn't a need for anybody to get spectacular. Just play smoothly with skill and keep on scoring. More perimeter oriented than Boogie's recent games, but the jumper just kept falling and was lightly challenged, so why not. Well except for a baseline airball he threw up just before exiting in the early 2nd (yes, Smart actually rode a hot starter into the early 2nd, just before our awful bench blew us out). In the early going was doing some good work hustling for loose balls around the offensive glass -- but not in his normal fashion of chasing after his own forces (again besides oine wild shot that basically amounted to a pass to himself off the backboard). Instead was hustling and battling and poking stuff away off of other's misses, and being a factor on that end. On the other end...not so much. Was little defensive focus or energy form the beginning for us, from anybody, and Cuz and Kaman were just cruising around out there popping in jumpers. Had a few good passes setting Cisco up on draw and kicks, but as the game went along began to alos throw some real loose low percentage pass attempts trying to squeeze balls through holes that jsut were not there. In one of thoise Smart specials, got pulled wiht a couple of minute to go in the third with 23 points, and was not returned until the game was safely out of reach and we were down 20 at the 6 minute mark of the fourth. Which is just idiotic. Either return him when there is still a chance(it was hovering around 14 for a bit), or not at all. Now for Uncle Bricklayer's Ray of Sunshine: Over his last 4 games Demarcus Cousins is averaging 34.5min 21.5pts (.523 .815) 11.3reb 2.0ast 1.2stl 0.8blk 3.0TO and only 2.3Fl. Over his last 5 games Tyreke Evans is averaging 33.4min 21.4pts (.520 .455 .828) 4.4reb 4.8ast 1.4stl 1.0blk 2.4TO. Now, if we could just get both of those guys out on the floor playing like that together...that's the core of a winning team.

    China Chow

    Stats: 31min 25pts (9-16, 7-12, 0-0) 1reb 1ast 0stl 3blk 0TO
    Garcia ( A- ) -- I should probably give Cisco a straight "A" on this on the same theory as Salmons' "A+" the other night -- at this late stage in his career he may never score 25pts again. In fact at NO point in his career has he ever hit 7 3ptrs in a single game -- this was the career long bombing night as he and Cousins carried us. The hesitation comes because that was pretty much all he did, and in fact what he was going to hit or not hit ont he night was very predictable. Basically every single time he played off theball, spotted up, got his feet set, it was going down. He was that hot all ngiht long. Every roleplayer spot up was basically automatic. On the other hand every time he got overexcited and forced things even a little bit, which was a few more times than we needed, it was a tough brick triggering Mavs runouts the other way. Made some dumb defensive errors on Damon Jones, who is his same age, but made him look like an octagenerian wiht his athleticism, blowing right by him to the hoop. Notched 1reb and 1ast in a Kevin Martin/Nick Young worthy boxscore effort. But boy was he hot from outside, and to the degree we tried to make any push at all after half, it was Cisco's shooting that was making up the ground. When Reke returns it will be interesting now. Will Smart notice all this success has been as a SG? The true roleplayerness of it all? Has MT lost his place so dramatically as to actually get bumped by Cisco? Or will will ignore the fact he's a SG and make him the backup SF since that spot appears completely open again, thus restorign the same SG posing as SF/no rebounds or ability to guard big SFs ever platoon we had last year and wanted so badly to improve? Whatever it will be, Cisco is one of the guys who's playing like he deserves time now.

    Nicole Paggi

    Stats: 28min 9pts (3-8, 2-4, 1-1) 5reb 5ast 0stl 0blk 3TO
    Brooks ( C ) -- weakest game of any of our 5 starters, but hey, at least he wasn't a bencher. *shudder* Got off to the wonderful start being scored over by Fisher then making it worse by fouling him on a three the next time down the floor. Outscored 5 to nothing by a 97yr old scrub 3 minutes into the game. But not surprisingly given Fisher's arthritis Brooks was able to fire back, culminatd by a stupid three from 27 feet out after both teams just went completely crazy, defending nothing and bombing practice threes on each other. Still not a terribly selfish game from him -- not sure he has had a double figure shot game since taking over as the starter. But seemed willing to randomly force things every few minutes. Was also giving us a surprisingly bit of help running back in for defensive boards. In the third absolutely killed us when he dribbled right into a crowd for a turnover after we had actually cut the elad all the way down to 11. The Mavs scooped it up, went the other way, and we never got as close again -- you could jsut sense that was the game. Was removed for IT two possessions later after Boogie and he added 2 more turnovers as we peed all over our own comeback and slammed the door in our own faces.

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    Last edited by Bricklayer; 12-11-2012 at 01:18 PM.
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    Grades v. Mavs 12/10/2012



    Bench

    Stats: 19min 10pts (3-6, 2-3, 2-2) 0reb 0ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
    Thornton ( D ) -- tells you how bad it has been that this was effectively the GOOD game of his last four. Came in and the first thing he did was try to throw a no look pas to Cuz for a turnover. His first attempted jumper was forced right intot he teeth of Dahntay Jones' defense -- and btw despite his recent struggles, in this one you could clearly see the Mavs keying on him heavily while he was out there wiht the reserves. Oddly the remainder of our bench did not appear to scare them. Kept on trying real high degree of difficulty passes for no reason. Got a feather in his cap when he finally scored our very first point of the 2nd quarter at the 6:10 mark -- I kid you not, so bad were our reserves. In his late game there were mistakes and forces and offensive fouls, but maybe there was some sign of hope in that twice he was set up by IT for threes that he drained. Maybe hsi route back is just concentrating on off the ball stuff. Those threes against the Clippers were off the ball from Jimmer. The backdoor cuts with Hayes are off the ball. The threes tonight were off the ball from iT. Its been weeks since he's done much of anything successfully that wasn't off the ball. Now you just have to convince him of that.

    Grace Phipps

    Stats: 12min 0pts (0-4, 0-0, 0-0) 3reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
    Robinson ( F ) -- these are the ones that are scary for TRob, because your #5 pick in the draft didn't even look like an NBA player last night. Had turnover problems again, and what happened to that streak a few weeks back where he, and we, had appeared to realize he could be efficient just playing off the ball and flying to the hoop for alley opps and whatnot using his athleticism? Now its back to him trying to create on his own with wild jumpesr and drives into traffic or inside attempts that get smushed, and in his last 10 games he's shooting .350. In his last five game its .176. Got called for a bogus offensive foul setting a screen when Collison just fell down and the refs did the normal NBA refs thing, that anytime anybody falls down somebody must have fouled them. Repeatedly blocked and swiped inside. And when Kaman came back in, TRob stood behind him and just no chance at all. Just can't stop a big center at all, and I don't see how that's going to change, which is a problem for frontcourt flexibility. Finally returned to start the 4th, but things did not get any more effective and was out for Cousins a few minutes later.

    Florencia Salvioni -- Argentine model

    Stats: 13min 2pts (1-4, 0-0, 0-0) 4reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
    Hayes ( D+ ) -- not the worst of our benchers, but when everybody else around him was awful, not the guy with the game to turn things himself either. Was just completely invisible in his first stint in the first half, where the benchers actually scored ZERO points while he was in there. Zero. Zilch. Tried to tip home a couple of wild misses by the guards, and had no better luck than they did. Came back in in the thrid, initially got a stop on Brand, but there was a rebound scrum, Brand got it back, and Hayes was not long enough to do anything but foul him for the +1. Had his one bright point of the night scoring on a series of 1 on 1 moves to begin the 4th, but those things are completely random and don't really help.

    Jade Kelsall -- a Nevada beauty queen winner who got into some hot water for some sort of naughty picture or the other. Because nobody does that nowadays. Totally shocking and all that.

    Stats: 8min 3pts (1-3, 0-1, 1-1) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
    Fredette ( F ) -- looked terrible in his first half minutes and as the supposed PG a significant reason why we scored exactly 0 pts for the first 6 minutes of the 2nd quarter. Wild attempt off the drive, shaky ballhandling. Able to create nothing and so forcing and turning it over. Compounded it with more poor defense, including not even getting back effectively on the break. His second half minutes were taken by IT, which was barely an upgrade this timeout. Finally got back in for the final 3 minutes of garbagetime, and broke his goose egg with 15 seconds to go when he took a hard hit driving the baseline for a pointless layup.

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    Last edited by Bricklayer; 12-11-2012 at 01:18 PM.
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    Grades v. Mavs 12/10/2012

    Stats: 6min 0pts (0-0, 0-0, 0-0) 1reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
    Outlaw ( INC ) -- completely predictably in Smartland, randomly came in in his old haunts in Portland and gave us a boost, so instantly gets elevated into the rotation to further jumble things. Just as predictably, went back to being Travis Outlaw and accomplishing nothing. Oh well, one more excuse to hang a pretty girl on.

    Marlene Mc'cohen

    Stats: 16min 4pts (2-9, 0-4, 0-0) 3reb 4ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
    Thomas ( D ) -- just in for the final possesion of the first half, and so had no part in the debacle that began the 2nd quarter. But bunped up over the entire bench in the third when Brooks went out of control, and started making up for lost time in the incompetence race. May have had the backbreaker against us as he tried to finish through traffic on the break, got blocked, and the Mavs went down the other way and bombed a three on us to put us back down 18 going into the 4th. Just could not hit anything, as like Jimmer he was sitting on a goosegg (0-7) until the final minute of garbagetime. Then JJ spoonfed him a freebie on the break with a minute to go., and he added a final seconds layup on his own. Still just way too much of for IT in IT's game, but best thing he did on the ngiht was set Thornton up for two threes. Hope is dwindling, but I still am holding out a little that that PG/SG relationship can be rekindled effectively.

    Beau Dunn

    Stats: 12min 2pts (1-5, 0-0, 0-1) 4reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
    Johnson ( D+ ) -- in for the first time to start the 4th and scored on a questionable +1, but barely drew iron with the FT and it was the only points he scored on the night. For the most part looked like he was playing his game, as much as he has a game, was trying to drive inside, focus on defense. Just wasn't very effective at anything. Have no reason to give him any worse grade than this, but also no reason for any better one.

    Kathy Ireland -- from back in the day
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    "Petrie signings are more akin to the splash you get when you accidentally drop your toothbrush in the toilet. " -- swisshh

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    BRILLIANT coaching. go back to the same exact thing that was a COMPLETE failure in the 2nd quarter of the Orlando game. STOP PLAYING 5 BENCH PLAYERS TOGETHER MORON!!!!!!

    oh and guess what, he went back to it again to start the 4th. smh, this guy will never learn. fire this *** clown

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. S£im Citrus View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. S£im Citrus View Post
    Didn't I tell you?

    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -- Arthur Schopenhauer

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    "Petrie signings are more akin to the splash you get when you accidentally drop your toothbrush in the toilet. " -- swisshh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reke 13 Havoc View Post
    BRILLIANT coaching. go back to the same exact thing that was a COMPLETE failure in the 2nd quarter of the Orlando game. STOP PLAYING 5 BENCH PLAYERS TOGETHER MORON!!!!!!

    oh and guess what, he went back to it again to start the 4th. smh, this guy will never learn. fire this *** clown
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    It baffles me that Cousins doesn't touch the ball every single position because he doesn't have to always look to score, but he could help open things up for the shooters on the outside and too many times do you see him just standing at the three point line. I am beyond confused on how we want to use this guy...

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    i honestly think they will win 1 more game in December if we are lucky. the 3 game win streak was a total fluke. Toronto sucks and played terrible that day, Orlando sucks and was on the end of a long road trip, Portland just got back from a long road trip and had some injury problems and played like crap.

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    I actually dozed out in the second quarter but from what I saw of Jimmer I voted for him. I only woke back up near the end of the 3rd.

    Fior some reason against some teams we are a matchup nightmare, but for other teams, including bad teams, we just don't bring it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackice View Post
    I am beyond confused on how we want to use this guy...
    Keith Smart is beyond confused at how to manage a basketball game

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    No defense ==> No running ==> No winning.

    The team came out flat on D. I guess they thought they had "arrived" after winning three consecutive games. They could never make up the first quarter gap.

    This didn't cause the loss, but I just can't believe that Smart put Jimmer on Beaubois. You've got to be kidding me. Sometimes I wonder if Smart has the ability to intuit anything. Smart must have repeated experiments before his obvervations finally lead to a conclusion. He has to see Jimmer, a not terribly quick guard, not be able to deal with Beaubois, a very quick guard, before he actually believes it. (Smart has said that he puts the guards in there according to matchup, but this Jimmer/Beaubois matchup totally contradicts that; it seems that Smart just alternates Jimmer and IT in each game, regardless of matchup).

    Pure speculation on my part, but I really am not going to be surprised if IT ends up the starter on this team (again) before all is said and done. I know IT has had his down moments this year, but Brooks isn't exactly Mr. Consistent, and he's a veteran. I think it might take several more "experiments" though before Smart has enough empirical evidence to finally make the change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackice View Post
    It baffles me that Cousins doesn't touch the ball every single position because he doesn't have to always look to score, but he could help open things up for the shooters on the outside and too many times do you see him just standing at the three point line. I am beyond confused on how we want to use this guy...
    How about that loss yesterday? I was about to put my fist through the wall. We could have been a game up on Pitt and we blew it. Dallas didn't beat us, we beat ourselves. This should have been a blowout. Dropped TDs and 3 dropped INTs....... ugh.. At least we didn't lose any ground. It still comes down to the Pitt game.
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    I don't know who to vote for. They were all garbage until garbage time.

    Is it Chuck who's supposed to be our vet leader?

    Is it IT who received the backup PG mins and was leading our offense when it imploded? He's also looking for his shot too much. One reason MT might be struggling is he can't get the ball from our PG's.

    Outlaw, if you think he deserves more accountability after the Por game? When you play the way he did at Por then more is expected of you, and he fell flat on his face with those expectations. Could have left him in Por and not noticed his absence.

    MT, who's supposed to be our go-to bench guy and scorer, who's in his 4th year, yet not only his missing shots, but is forcing poor shots and not helping elsewhere? TRob said the other day he focused on defense because that was what he needed to do to get mins. It's time MT contributed elsewhere when his shots aren't falling. I'm on the fence about giving Cisco MT's mins for the time being when Reke returns.

    TRob? Only one with a legit excuse as he's just barely a month in to his career, but he is the 5th pick.

    The biggest question I have is not about these guys playing so poorly, but rather playing them considerable mins and all at the same freakin time when they are playing poorly. Didn't Smart say two weeks ago he didn't want to play Reke more than about 36 mins because of empty mins? Then please, Smart, enlighten us as to why you kept that bench unit in when that 6 min stretch in the 2nd was the emptiest of mins I've seen in years, and our backup bigs producing more empty mins in the 4th kept Cuz on the bench while he was filling his mins with the most production of anyone tonight?
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    Scarlett Johansson and Claudia Lynx plllleeaaasseee

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    BTW, not sure if Sac telecast talked about this, but Cuz slapped Mayo in the nuts off the ball in the 2nd and Mayo was heated. That's after he clapped in Carlisles face and Carlisle had words with him.

    Our leader cannot be acting this way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rainmaker View Post
    BTW, not sure if Sac telecast talked about this, but Cuz slapped Mayo in the nuts off the ball in the 2nd and Mayo was heated. That's after he clapped in Carlisles face and Carlisle had words with him.

    Our leader cannot be acting this way.
    I dunno, might have been the only thing anybody on the kings did to slow Mayo all night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rainmaker View Post
    BTW, not sure if Sac telecast talked about this, but Cuz slapped Mayo in the nuts off the ball in the 2nd and Mayo was heated. That's after he clapped in Carlisles face and Carlisle had words with him.

    Our leader cannot be acting this way.
    It's all over twitter right now. OJ Mayo saying that Demarcus has mental issues lol.

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    I voted MT for the simple reason that he is supposed to be our 3rd best player. -_-
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingsnation View Post
    I voted MT for the simple reason that he is supposed to be our 3rd best player. -_-
    its time to put him back in the starting lineup. or at least stop playing him in a lineup with 4 incapable offensive bench players. the defenses focus completely on him when hes on the floor, they give no respect to anybody else hes on the court with and its hurting his game

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