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Thread: Grades v. Magic 12/7/2012

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    Grades v. Magic 12/7/2012



    Well...maybe not. Winning such a game after our rotations recollapse into chaos and with mostly deep benchers getting the minutes and carrying you late may not mean much. But we did it with hustle after nearly giving it away, it was another win, strong opponnent or not, and you gotta crawl before you walk. Certainly if the late Reke scratch had spun us off into another collapse it would have messed up our head again, so this way at least we feel good as we head out onto the road. Forever.

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    Stats: 28min 2pts (1-8, 0-3, 0-0) 2reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
    Salmons ( D) -- so Reke is out, and John immediately turns back into a pumpkin. Interesting. Immediately scored over in the post on his first play of the game, and was getting nothing going the other way. Had a poor first half, so of course this being Ketih Smart's bizarro scrub democracy, we run the first play out of halftime for him, because of course the key to victory is making sure John freakin' Salmons gets going. Its a 1 on 1 move, it doesn't fall, Afflalo goes back the other way and immediately scores over him, we come back down, John guns up another bricked jumper...and we call timeout to correct rampant idiocy that started on the sidelines with a halftime coaching brain fart. Didn't get any better from that point, as there wasn't much energy, the passing was nothing of note, he wasn't hitting his threes, and he grabbed another 2 rebs in 28min (John is rocking the 5.0rebs/48 this season, which is 164th out of 179 NBA forwards. I leave this at a D rather than worse simply because well, its John Salmons, not a guy you actually expect to be productive, and you more or less just wanted him to go away rather than wanted to throw sharp objects at him.

    Stats: 28min 12pts (5-11, 0-0, 2-2) 6reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 3TO
    Thompson ( C+ ) -- was reasonably productive in the first half. Was putting up points, including a tough tough fadeaway along the baseline that he should never have taken, let alone hit. but there was no real momentum to it, and Big Baby was better. If things were decent if uninspiring before half they turned in the third when he missed several easy opportuntiies early int eh quarter, and dropped an easy pass for another opportunity. He had his highlight during that time with a wild 1 on 1 fast break play with a spin dribble into the middle of 4 Magic that still got him to the line. but it was an isolated event, and he contributed to our fade durin the later stages of the quarter with a terrible shot out of a timeout in the middle of the quarter. It was an ok night, but with TRob getting his hustle roleplayer on in the 4th, Jason never returned for the stretch run.

    Stats: 33min 17pts (5-13, 0-1, 7-10) 14reb 4ast 3stl 2blk 4TO
    Cousins ( B+ ) -- remember how a few weeks back the light just suddenly seemed to come on for Reke and it wasn't just about the jumper falling, but just suddenly the decisionmaking looked so much better and he began to look confident and comfortable out there and in control? Well the last two games something similar seems to be going on with Boogie. Now if we can just get both guys out there on the court at the same time maybe we'll have something. Similar to last game, Demarcus had a couple of loose moments to start, settling for a jumper and having it rim out, and getting stripped by Big Baby trying to go by him. But his overall game seemed to really pick up when he extended for a nice help block directly under the hoop. Wasn't an offensive thing at all for him early -- think he only had 2pts until the final minutes of the half. But he was shutting down the defensive glass, and the really nice thing he was doing was passing ahead to trigger our fast break with outlet passes. Think he notched 4 first half assists and was very much the offensive centerpiece, without it being about hsi own scoring. That started to pick up lat ein the half though, when he came up with one of his lightning quick spin drives past Big Baby, added a smooth jumper, and worked a great give and go with Cisco on the break. Was rarely touching the ball in the early third as we came out flat, and collective BBall IQs seemed to drop precipitously. And as often happens when things are not going well and he's not touching it, he started to get frustrated. We did not lose him entirely, well until Smart (back in full rotation moron mode BTW) did his classic 30minutes on the bench freeze your own star thing), but the focus wavered and efficiency dropped. When he finally got back in with 3:30 minutes to go and the lead down to 3, he was pretty much ice cold, but contributed by knocking down 4 FTs in the final 2 minues as the Magic got desperate.

    Stats: 22min 5pts (2-5, 1-3, 0-0) 2reb 1ast 2stl 3blk 1TO
    Garcia ( B- ) -- got the surprise start when Reke was a lat scratch just before the game. The sense to it would have been that by inserting him in Reke's place it did not disrupt the rest of the guys from their normal rotation spots (of course this being Smart, he promptly jumbled everybody else's roles/minutes anyway). And in the early going Cisco rewarded the decision, and was actually one fo the main guys who gave us a kick of energy in the early going and got us off to the good start. Was 1 of 2 on early threes, was a willing passer, and reminded us that he can still be a disruptive help defender from the guard position, getting credited wiht 2stls and 3blks in 22min. Ran a great give and go on the break with Cousins just before half, and his steal up top in the early third led to our only score during a flat start. But Cisco is still Cisco, a roleplayer at best anymore, and the longer he was out there the more invisible and ineffective he got until Smart finally replaced all his late minutes with his wet dream all mini-chucker backcort.

    Stats: 19min 11pts (5-9, 1-3, 0-0) 4reb 3ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
    Brooks ( C+ ) -- I'm going to play a little game here. What grade would you give to a PG who played 36 minutes, and notched 21pts 8rebs 6ast 2stl on 10-17 shooting? Would you still think IT or Jimmer had done a better job than they did? Well, the above numbers are the pace of production we were getting out of Aaron Brooks last night. And yet...it just wasn't inspiring like that. Was doing a nice job in the early going playing off of and with DeMarcus -- and entirely apart from the Reke synergy, Brooks's previous experience with Yao is part of the hope here. Knocked downa three on a kickout from Cuz, got out on the break, albeit at least once makign a selfihs decision wiht it rather than doing the standard, and smart, reward the big guy for running thing. Where he annoyed again was on the other end, where the on and off defensive effort resulted in several open looks and defensive breakdown to the rim. Play in the early third before being subbed out for the last time was erratic in ways that don't necesarily show up in the boxscore. Just not showing control of the team's pace or decisionmaking, and letting Jameer Nelson have free looks at will.
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    Grades v. Magic 12/7/2012

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    Stats: 24min 5pts (1-7, 1-4, 2-2) 3reb 2ast 1stl 1blk 2TO
    Thornton ( D- ) -- slumping, and hard right now -- in the last two weeks he's averaging 10.7ppg on .379 shooting, and it would be considerably worse still if not for the freak 3pt shooting explosion in the garbagetime of that Clippers game. So how does the coach try to get him out of it? By running him in a ridiculous tiny ball IT/Jimmer/MT lineup alongside two little guys as shot happy as he is, moving him to SF and practically making him have to sign an application form in order to get an in rhythm shot attempt. There were a few moments here of solid play again. He got lucky early when he tried to go 1 on the team, lost the ball, but got it back and slipped it aound to Boogie for a dunk. He ran a break the right way, rather than being selfish getting it to TRob in the middle of the floor, who then swung it to Jimmer for an open three. His only score of the night came when he actually hit a three from IT. But I have just described basically everything that he did right. He missed all his other shots, set up or off his own dribble, including a layup at a bad time, and was largely forgotten about as IT and Jimmer minigunned far more effectively. When it came time to win it, it was Marcus who was subbed out, in crunchtime, rather than either of the little guards. Not just a slump, but a crisis of confidence for both Marcus and the coach.

    Stats: 29min 17pts (5-10, 0-5, 7-8) 5reb 4ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
    Thomas ( B+ ) -- after not playing at all last time out, Smart, being Smart, apparently has a bad case of remorse and suddenly threw IT out there for 29 minutes, in the process benchign the guy (Johnson) who had maybe his best game of the seaon last time out. But Smart, being Smart, also didn't want to not play Jimmer, so he put IT and Jimmer out there TOGETHER...with Marcus Thornton at (very) small forward. And...well, sounds idiotic. But IT justified his end of it at least with a very energetic performance, picking us up after half in particular. It was also it should be noted at times a selfish performance, as much of what he was doing was attacking off his own dribble, and when he did spot up he didn't hit any of his threes. But the 1 on 1 play did not jump out as bad team play because in the second half in particular, we were just floundering until he came in and decided to just do it himself, repeatedly forcing the issue by slamming inside and getting to the line. Felt similar in that way to the lift he gave us against Minnesota, and still hints at something he could do routinely...but frankly only if he iether beats Jimmer out or one of them is traded. Got out in the open court and ran, getting several finishes form our bigs, including one pure luck play when TRob missed him with the pass and he just got a hand out and tipped it in the general direction of the hoop, in traffic, and saw it fall. Got selfish down the stretch as we began to slide before Boogie's return, and was shot over by Jameer again and again, which keeps me from being as excessively warm and fuzzy about this as some. But imperfections aside, it was an energetic shot in the arm, and he earned those 29min this night. Now if history is any guide he will get maybe 5 minutes against Portland.

    Stats: 21min 15pts (5-7, 1-3, 4-4) 4reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 4TO
    Fredette ( B ) -- in off the bench as part of the mini-lineup. Missed a wide open three, but got another runner to go, and the irony in thelast few weeks has been that Jimmer has been more effective with those little runners than he has been as a 3pt shooter. Part of that may have been because of shots like his next one, when he abruptly had an idiot attack and suddenly pulled up to chuck up a 27 foot three point attempt, off his dribble, early in the shotclock, with 2 Magic defending him. You know the shot. Got into a little back and forth with JJ Reddick, a player he is sometimes (I think somewhat inaccurately) compared with in the second, and Reddick got the better of it, having his only good streak of the night. Had a nice drive and dish to Hayes for his only assist of the night, as IT played more of the PG. After making a mistake at the beginning of the 4th picking up an offensive foul trying to force a foul (his turnovers tonight were all off over aggressiveness offensively) he hit the big transition three from TRob to regain us the lead, and we never gave it back. Got to play the entire 4th quarter in maybe the best combined/real minute showing from our last 2 lottery picks, and made a great spin move off a broken play for a score at the 2:45 mark. On the other hand made a terrible deciision with a bad forced drive at the 1:00 mark for anothre offensive foul. Fortunately it did not matter, and a few seconds later he was able to pad his stats up hitting the intentional foul FTs until the Magic finally said uncle (BTW, is it jsut me or have a disproprotionate number of our games recently featured coaches, whether theres or ours, being just ridiculous with the intentional fouling late and refusiing ot concede even though they are down 10 with 30 seconds to go etc.? Whatever happened to just having some class and dribbling the ball out rather than dragging things out forever. You lost. Get over it.

    Stats: 19min 6pts (3-4, 0-0, 0-0) 4reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
    Hayes ( C+ ) -- sry Chuck, almost forgot you in here. Anyway, started off ineffective again -- he and Marcus have just disappeared in the last week or two. Wasn't having any impact on defense or elsewhere. But in that 4th when our benche was doing all the damage, had a few moments, mostly working the offensive glass and flipping up little finishes inside. Davis also slowed late, although more of that seemed to be missed jumpers than our great defense. Nothing exciting here, but at least notw asted minutes either.

    Stats: 17min 1pts (0-5, 0-0, 1-2) 7reb 3ast 2stl 0blk 0TO
    Robinson ( B+ ) -- last but not least. Played a wild first half that was more of the same of what we have been seeing from him. Failed to close the lane immediately after entering, grabbed a couple of flat footed rebounds, tried some wild 1 on 1 junk, almost turned it over on a fastbreak pass to IT, and then missed his own layup form IT the nxt time down. But somebody lit a fire under his butt at halftime, because he came out to embrace his inner hustel roleplayer and play an impact 4th, maybe his best 1/4 of the season, and hence his career, despite no offensive production. Its there a little in the stats -- he was making good passes, active on the glass. But more than that was him playign the quarter balls to the wall, with full out hustle on defense. Notched several steals stepping in fornt of passes, and while he did not get any blocks, it wasn't from lack of effort -- he wen tup with Marcus on one try, and DeMarcus on the other on double smushes of Magic drivers. Hit the floor as well. More than anything else, skill or not that sort of all out hustle is infectous and picked up the whole team's energy.
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    as bad as the Magic roster sounds, they have actually been playing very well the last couple weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bricklayer View Post


    Well...maybe not.
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    Key notes from the game

    -The MVP of the game tonight, scored exactly 1 point

    -LOVE the way T-Rob plays. if he can polish up his offensive game (like Ibaka) it will be hard to keep this guy off the floor.

    -Cousins sat on the bench way too long. But he had another strong game.

    -Ball movement was good

    -Isaiah is better than Jimmer, not sure why Smart hasnt figured that out.

    -Walton would make a good coach. (im sure i will be blasted for this comment by Walton haters but i dont care, the guy knows his basketball) when he isnt blabbering about nonsense and actually talks basketball, he sounds like a guy who could make this team a lot better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reke 13 Havoc View Post
    as bad as the Magic roster sounds, they have actually been playing very well the last couple weeks
    Thats what good coaching does for you. They were tired from their road trip and actually alot better than what they showed tonight.

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    Holding an oppnent to 82 points and winning by 9 without our 2nd best player is a nice accomplishment for us. Also, nights like tonight are the reason you don't judge young bigs or players too early.

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    Anybody else see Cousins give each ref a fist bump at the end of the game. build that rapport with the refs big Cuz!!!

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    Somehow managed to miss the game... I checked my schedule but it didn't show tonights game so i didn't record... must have not looked hard enough. Can someone tell me why Reke didn't play tonight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kings Faithful View Post
    Somehow managed to miss the game... I checked my schedule but it didn't show tonights game so i didn't record... must have not looked hard enough. Can someone tell me why Reke didn't play tonight?
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    Robinson played a beastly second half, his energy was rubbing of on everybody, he should play like that every game, especially for now since he only gets 15-20 min a game at most, but he showed that when he's showing that kind of energy its hard to take him off the floor. Cousins looked unsure offensively but he was drawing a lot of attention and gave guys open looks, especially in that first half. Isaiah shows that he's much better when the ball is given to him and he has the green light to attack. Jimmer was good as well despite a few bad plays offensively, he is very dangerous in the pick and roll because he can shoot, he can pull up for the mid range shots and has added those little floaters to his game, also he reads the game well and knows where the ball needs to go. Also i will give the benefit of the doubt to Tyreke, but to be honest the great players wouldn't let a sore knee keep them out of a game. I've grown up watching Kobe and he never lets little injuries keep him out of games, but Tyreke knows his body best i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reke 13 Havoc View Post
    Anybody else see Cousins give each ref a fist bump at the end of the game. build that rapport with the refs big Cuz!!!
    He's always in such a good mood every time we win a game. I think a lot of the surly side of his personality will disappear when the team gets good enough to win consistently.
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    I wasn't able to watch the game tonight but I just checked out the boxscore. What is going on with Marcus Thornton? He used to be our most consistent guy.
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    Well paired out there with Jimmer/Brooks/IT he is not going to look his best. One of these guys needs to get moved, Which one? Errr Ummm hmmm your call boss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by upinsmoke View Post
    Well paired out there with Jimmer/Brooks/IT he is not going to look his best. One of these guys needs to get moved, Which one? Errr Ummm hmmm your call boss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LWP777 View Post
    I wasn't able to watch the game tonight but I just checked out the boxscore. What is going on with Marcus Thornton? He used to be our most consistent guy.
    Thornton is unfortunately starting to define himself as a poor man's Monta Ellis. Right now, he's an inefficient volume scorer who doesn't contribute much on the defensive end or creating for others.

    Thornton needs an offense designed around him where he's free to put up 16-17 shots a game. The problem which we saw all last season is an offense doesn't work where 3 guys are all looking to be the #1 option and looking to put up 15+ shots a game. We've been a much better basketball team the last 2 weeks or so because we've had clearly defined offensive roles during that span. Reke and Cousins are options 1a and 1b and we've had them playing with efficient shooters/scorers who are actually defer to the star players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reke 13 Havoc View Post
    Key notes from the game

    -The MVP of the game tonight, scored exactly 1 point

    -LOVE the way T-Rob plays. if he can polish up his offensive game (like Ibaka) it will be hard to keep this guy off the floor.

    -Cousins sat on the bench way too long. But he had another strong game.

    -Ball movement was good

    -Isaiah is better than Jimmer, not sure why Smart hasnt figured that out.

    -Walton would make a good coach. (im sure i will be blasted for this comment by Walton haters but i dont care, the guy knows his basketball) when he isnt blabbering about nonsense and actually talks basketball, he sounds like a guy who could make this team a lot better
    Thomas better than Fredette? have you watched a game this season?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Jamal View Post
    Thornton is unfortunately starting to define himself as a poor man's Monta Ellis. Right now, he's an inefficient volume scorer who doesn't contribute much on the defensive end or creating for others.

    Thornton needs an offense designed around him where he's free to put up 16-17 shots a game. The problem which we saw all last season is an offense doesn't work where 3 guys are all looking to be the #1 option and looking to put up 15+ shots a game. We've been a much better basketball team the last 2 weeks or so because we've had clearly defined offensive roles during that span. Reke and Cousins are options 1a and 1b and we've had them playing with efficient shooters/scorers who are actually defer to the star players.
    While not disagreeing with that general prognosis, it hasn't really been the offense moving to Reke and Cousins that has been Marcus's problem -- its been the BENCH offense moving away from him. I think to some degree that we helped Reke by dumping Reke's problems on Marcus, took the few guys willing to curtail their shots and put them in the starting linuep, and turned the bench into a chaotic cluster of little guys all trying to gun up shots off their dribble. Now that doesn't explain all of Marcus's struggles by any means -- even when set up perfectly he is missing. But just as it was for Reke, it is how you neutralize a great scorer -- just never let him get into a rhythm. Hell, that's how you try to defend a great scorer too -- our guys are defending our own man. This is on Geoff -- we have so many guys who think they are the man, that its very hard to get our featured guys the shots and rhythm they need.

    I am concerned. I was concerned for Reke because our management is stupid. I am concerend about Marcus because of Marcus himself -- I don't think he will take this sitting down if it goes on too long. He'll be unhappy, and we'll be forced to do something. We need him to have some big games on this upcoming trip, and we need him to have them without our coach interpreting that as a reason to limit Tyreke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LWP777 View Post
    I wasn't able to watch the game tonight but I just checked out the boxscore. What is going on with Marcus Thornton? He used to be our most consistent guy.
    when hes on the floor its usually with 4 incapable offensive players so the Defense only respects him. he needs to be playing in the starting lineup instead of Brooks

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcwkings View Post
    Also i will give the benefit of the doubt to Tyreke, but to be honest the great players wouldn't let a sore knee keep them out of a game. I've grown up watching Kobe and he never lets little injuries keep him out of games, but Tyreke knows his body best i guess.
    i get the feeling Tyreke could have played, but he knew with the way his knee has been reacting that if he played tonight he would definitly not be able to play tomorrow. and this game would be easier to win without him, they are going to need him big time tomorrow in Rip City

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