View Poll Results: How many more wins right now if we had gotten Lowry this summer?

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    3 8.11%
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    13 35.14%
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Thread: Grades v. Raptors 12/5/2012

  1. #21
    I see nobody is giving Smart credit for his move down the stretch. Putting JJ in for Brooks moving Salmons to guard killed Toronto's back court height advantage.

    How about Pietrus? He was just signed less than a week ago off the street.
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  2. #22
    Nice that we could beat Toronto. It would have been devastating if we couldn't.

    I thought Cousins was thinking a lot on the court. Normally, thinking a lot on the basketball floor isn't a good thing, but for Cousins it sure is.

    As far as getting Lowry, I dunno. Then we'd have the drum, drum of he's dominating the ball, doesn't get to Tyreke, yada yada. No thanks. A couple of more wins doesn't do it for me.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by rainmaker View Post
    3-3 with a Brooks/Reke backcourt. It's why I believe even if Brooks struggled, it's one of our only positives and I see no point in breaking it up.

    But again, this was yet another game we're playing against our coach. Putting Jimmer and then Brooks on Lowry almost cost us the game until Reke was finally put on him with 2:30. Should have seen that much earlier.

    Will say the sub patterns were improved, and with Reke coming back at the 8 min mark of the 2nd, the earliest by a good chunk this year, I wonder how much his agent Art Tellem being in town and at the game had to do with it? Would be sad if we need a player's agent to come and help straighten things out.

    Much needed win. Orl while just beating LAL and GS and losing tonight, and a tougher test than Tor is a winnable game and a good opportunity to get a little streak going.
    Lowery was abusing Evans too. It was Pietrus and DeRosen that hurt us more.
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  4. #24
    Jimmer getting routinely torched by guard's regardless of whether it's a pick-n-roll or one-on-one needs to be fixed. I think he needs to start reading from the John Stockton book of how to commit cheap fouls that are hard for the ref's to pick up on (i.e., elbow tapping, etc.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bricklayer View Post
    1) in case anybody has forgotten, we could have had Kyle Lorwy this offseason. Not an "oh I wish", or a maybe -- it was offered, we rejected to keep our draft pick, so they went and traded him for a lesser one (thus proving we could ahve had him for ours). And you wonder how we remain bad.
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  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Kingster View Post
    Nice that we could beat Toronto. It would have been devastating if we couldn't.

    I thought Cousins was thinking a lot on the court. Normally, thinking a lot on the basketball floor isn't a good thing, but for Cousins it sure is.

    As far as getting Lowry, I dunno. Then we'd have the drum, drum of he's dominating the ball, doesn't get to Tyreke, yada yada. No thanks. A couple of more wins doesn't do it for me.
    Leaves us shorthanded in the bigs department, but Lowry is a top ten point guard at this point, and can function as a combo guard as he demonstrated last night. He would have freed up a lot of room for Tyreke to operate. I try not to dwell on the "what might have been" scenarios too much, but I can't help but imagine a lineup of Lowry, Evans, Dorrell Wright, JT, Cousins. Bring in a rim protector to play next to Cousins and that lineup has playoffs written on it.

    Still, I like T-Rob and think he can develop into a Josh Smith lite, which would be a decent fit next to Cousins. Not ideal, but pretty good.

  7. #27
    The streak continues this year. When Cousins plays well, we win 80% of the time. When he doesn't play well, we win 6% of the time.

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    Thanks again, Brick. But we could have got Lowry??? So we could have got ------------ you fill in the blank. You like dead horses? We won, Lowry's team lost.

  9. #29
    It's interesting how the schedule for the next few games gets steadily more difficult. The winning % of the teams are as follows:

    Toronto: .200 (when we played them)
    Orlando: .389
    Portland: .421
    Dallas .444
    Bucks: .471

    and finally the monster OKC at .789

    With a young team trying to dig itself out of a deep hole that schedule could build some confidence if they start to get it together.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by pshn80 View Post
    Thanks again, Brick. But we could have got Lowry??? So we could have got ------------ you fill in the blank. You like dead horses? We won, Lowry's team lost.
    Not only that, regarding the big picture, how is Lowry's team faring this season? They are 4-15, worse than the Kings. Their defense is worse than the Kings. Yeah, Lowry sure makes a huge impact.

    The Kings often give up season highs to opposing players, especially marginal ones like Kyle Lowry. Lowry's numbers may look impressive to some, but there's a reason he's moved around the league a bit already. He's not an impact player.
    Last edited by KingsFanSince85; 12-06-2012 at 11:42 AM.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by KingsFanSince85 View Post
    Not only that, regarding the big picture, how is Lowry's team faring this season? They are 4-15, worse than the Kings. Their defense is worse than the Kings. Yeah, Lowry sure makes a huge impact.

    The Kings often give up season highs to opposing players, especially marginal ones like Kyle Lowry. Lowry's numbers may look impressive to some, but there's a reason he's moved around the league a bit already. He's not an impact player.
    Barngiani, Derozan, and Calderon are some of the worst defenders in the league. Lowry's a stud on offense, and makes plays (although he takes some off) on D. I'd take Lowry and Henson, maybe even Lowry alone, over Trob and Brooks, any day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsFanSince85 View Post
    Not only that, regarding the big picture, how is Lowry's team faring this season? They are 4-15, worse than the Kings. Their defense is worse than the Kings. Yeah, Lowry sure makes a huge impact.

    The Kings often give up season highs to opposing players, especially marginal ones like Kyle Lowry. Lowry's numbers may look impressive to some, but there's a reason he's moved around the league a bit already. He's not an impact player.

    Yes, and Michael Jordan and LeBron played on 30 win teams their first years in the league. Lowry was hurt for a few games, whcih did not help, but he's been an absolute stud for them this year. The one thing that is going right for them. Us trying to deny that so that we can sleep better at night is just silly. 18.3pts 5.7reb 6.0ast 1.6stl 0.7blk and a partridge in a pear tree. Looks like a guy we know. Put two of them together and that's punishing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsFanSince85 View Post
    Not only that, regarding the big picture, how is Lowry's team faring this season? They are 4-15, worse than the Kings. Their defense is worse than the Kings. Yeah, Lowry sure makes a huge impact.

    The Kings often give up season highs to opposing players, especially marginal ones like Kyle Lowry. Lowry's numbers may look impressive to some, but there's a reason he's moved around the league a bit already. He's not an impact player.
    Facepalm.

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    Lowry has his moments, but he has a way of getting injured and losing his job. 2 seasons ago, Brooks took over for him in Houston, last year, Dragic took over. Earlier this year, Calderon had a triple double and 4 double doubles while Lowry was out.

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