How is Jimmer supposed to develop chemistry with Reke on the bench? My gosh, you're acting like the wheels would fall off if Jimmer was given the opportunity to start and develop chemistry with Reke. Newsflash - The wheels have already fallen off. What in the world do you have to lose by attempting to develop your lottery pick that has a higher ceiling than Brooks, IT, and MT?Originally Posted by rainmaker
i know what i saw sir. i had to watch him a lot last year due to being in the same division as my team. he cant throw the ball, and the entire offense in Denver was constructed around the fact that he cant throw the ball, its no secret to anybody.
but then again, you also think Jimmer should be starting on the All-Star team, so im not surprised at your ridiculous Tim Tebow assessment.
I think the problem is that a lot of people don't believe he has a higher ceiling than those guys. He is improving and I'd actually like to see his get a more consistent role in the rotation but at most its deserving over IT and that is still as a 4th guard.
Tell Pittsburgh he can't throw the ball. Anyhow, I digress. This doesn't belong here.
lol at this point in time talking about anything but this sorry *** Kings team is probably better for all of our health
It's not just about chemistry with Reke. Again, you Jimmer fans are missing the point that Jimmer hasn't shown he can play off the ball during his NBA career. Other aspect is the Brooks/Reke backcourt might be our only positive right now, so you don't just blow that up for Jimmer's sake.
And Jimmer hasn't shown he has a higher ceiling than Brooks or MT. The only guy saying that is the one who thinks Jimmer will be the next Nash.
“Sacramento is where I want to be,’’ he said. “I want to bring the organization back, help the organization get started back winning. I love the city of Sacramento. That’s where I want to be. End of story. “We can dig a hole, throw that topic in there, cover it with dirt, pack it down. I want to be in Sacramento. End of story.’’ -DeMarcus Cousins
Our franchise literally is about to rise from the ashes.
lol
Funny thing is we went through this last year with IT, with his fanboys wanting the team turned over to him and forcing Reke off the ball as he was going to be an All Star and a Nash/Stockton hybrid.
We also saw that with Sergio Rodriguez to a lesser extent when he was here.
We had Omri fans claiming he wasn't getting enough time or shots and if given a chance he'd be our SF solution.
Player fans who aren't Kings fans always overrate whatever guy they're attached to. Jimmer is improving, but Jimmer fans here and on other boards continue to take it much further every time he has a good game.
“Sacramento is where I want to be,’’ he said. “I want to bring the organization back, help the organization get started back winning. I love the city of Sacramento. That’s where I want to be. End of story. “We can dig a hole, throw that topic in there, cover it with dirt, pack it down. I want to be in Sacramento. End of story.’’ -DeMarcus Cousins
Our franchise literally is about to rise from the ashes.
No, you're missing the point. This team SUCKS. You lose NOTHING by starting Jimmer and seeing what happens, while also possibly gaining more wins, more attendance, and a better chance at keeping the team in Sacramento. My gosh, I have never seen someone so protective over trash results. You're being ridiculous.
No one is happy with the results, least of all rainmaker. That still doesn't mean the only obvious answer is to hand the reigns over to Jimmer. You're making a leap that leaves the logic behind.
god i remember that nonsense. i absolutely hated Casspi
I am fed up with this team and let's not pretend like we are going anywhere. Let's use this year to experiment. I don't give a $hit about who fits with who. We have won 4 games and at this rate will win 20 games this year. I can't believe that the arguments that deal with minutia are thought to be important. **** who doesn't fit with who. Let's experiment and see if we can hit 22 wins on the season.
I'm a Kings fan first and a Jimmer fan second. Don't anyone lump me in with the group of people who put Jimmer above the team. This is ridiculous.
Upwards and onwards.
Turn the reigns over to Jimmer? The reigns are with Cuz if he decides to play and Reke and it will never be different. Do people think that the reigns now are with Brooks? Give me a break. Hyperbole ya know is not useful in a discussion. A shooter opens the court for Reke and Cousins which is exactly what a lot of people who have been shocked by this idea have been pontifically telling me for a few years.
Upwards and onwards.
Actually, if you watch carefully, Jimmer really doesn't have the ball in hands that much. He does bring the ball up now most of the time, but usually makes a pass as soon as the ball is across midcourt. I'll grant you that when he tries to score, he has the ball in his hands, but his attempts per game aren't that many, especially when compared to last year. He plays off the ball fairly well, as does Brooks. IT is the better defender, but Jimmer is a much better shooter coming off screens. One of IT's weaknesses. IT is a good spot up shooter, and probably has the ball in his hands more than either Brooks or Jimmer.
Having said all that, I don't think Jimmer is ready to start, unless we went to a 3 guard lineup, which I'm not in favor of, but could live with at this point. All in all, this team is a freaking mess. Nothing a good coach couldn't fix though.
Its hard to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn't work hard.
Really, you don't think I realize this team sucks? Just where ahve you been? The difference between you and I is you thinking because the team currently sucks it's the perfect time to get your boy into the starting lineup.
You've ruined any chance of objectivity on this issue and what would help the team with your constant Jimmer this and Jimmer that posts in every thread.
“Sacramento is where I want to be,’’ he said. “I want to bring the organization back, help the organization get started back winning. I love the city of Sacramento. That’s where I want to be. End of story. “We can dig a hole, throw that topic in there, cover it with dirt, pack it down. I want to be in Sacramento. End of story.’’ -DeMarcus Cousins
Our franchise literally is about to rise from the ashes.
I don't believe Jimmer has shown a strong ability to play of the ball and he has excelled most when controlling the ball and looking for his own shot. He has the second highest usage on the team and shoots more often per 36 minutes than anyone by Cousins. Starting him and playing him major minutes (if you are trying to play to his current strengths) is closer to handing him the reigns than it is to maximizing the starting lineup by adding a shooter. In theory you could be correct on how it should be explored. In Smart's reality...
I mentioned in another thread that Jimmer is chucking up more shots per minute this season than Kevin Durant. His play is antiethical to any sort of pairing with Reke or Thornton at the moment. This isn't college.
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I watch just as closely as you, if not closer my friend. I never said Jimmer doesn't play off the ball, what I said was what he's improved at and excelled at so far is playing with the ball, basically, scoring with the ball.
The majority of shots Jimmer has made this year have come off the dribble, not running off screens without the ball which we see little of or spotting up. Going off college, Jimmer should be good playing off the ball and spotting up, but it hasn't translated yet to the NBA. Do I think it can? Probably, at some point. But right now Jimmer hasn't shown he's a good catch and shoot player in the NBA. Yes he makes that first pass, usually into the high post, but when he gets the return at some point he's not scoring off kick outs, but rather backing up, taking a few dribbles and either shooting, using a screen and coming off shooting, or uses the screen to get off a runner in the lane. That is exactly what guys do who are better on the ball than off. When I think off the ball shooter, I think Reddick and Korver, yet Jimmer relies on his dribble much more than they do, hence, he's better on the ball than off at this point.
BTW, I'd love nothing more than Jimmer to show he can be an asset off the ball and hit shots at his current %'s when playing off rather than just chucking off his dribble. I'd love for him to be able to excel playing off Reke and Cuz, and be good enough defensively that he isn't a liability. That would make our team better. A better shooting Beno who is better at spreading the floor. I'd love that. But imo Jimmer has not shown he can excel in that type of a role since coming into the league. The only who has on our team right now is Brooks, so the idea of others in this thread to blow up a Brooks/Reke pairing when it's our only recent positive is quite ridiculous to me at the moment. If Brooks keeps trending downward and Jimmer starts hitting his shots more off the ball and shows a better shot selection in a team concept, then I consider making the switch.
Last edited by rainmaker; 12-05-2012 at 04:36 PM.
“Sacramento is where I want to be,’’ he said. “I want to bring the organization back, help the organization get started back winning. I love the city of Sacramento. That’s where I want to be. End of story. “We can dig a hole, throw that topic in there, cover it with dirt, pack it down. I want to be in Sacramento. End of story.’’ -DeMarcus Cousins
Our franchise literally is about to rise from the ashes.
Jimmer is doing what the coach is telling him to do, go in and shoot. If Jimmer was playing 25 min a game, I'm thinking the coach might tell him something different. Unfair to judge his shot attempts based on his limited minutes and assigned role while in those minutes.
In nay case it won't happen as Smart is still trying to figure out who fits best on this team, Jimmer or IT. And that's after 75 days of seeing the two players. This is crazy and if it was another franchise, I would even call it hilarious.
Upwards and onwards.
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