Tyreke Evans or James Harden

[mac]

I don't think it's a fair comparison until we see Tyreke in a proper system running the team, as he should.

Harden basically plays the point for Houston, he obviously shoots the ball from deep a lot better than Reke and he's improved his passing game big time. I do think Reke is an underrated passer though. Harden is also just as savvy round the rim. The "handles" argument, well reke is a flashier ball handler but so what?

Harden also plays nearly 39 minutes a game.

If you saw Reke playing in Hardens place in Houston i suspect his numbers would be similar.

Funnily enough - when's the last time you remember Tyreke using that "eurostep" to get to the rim, prior to the one in the Jazz game?

[Gilles]

82games.com have stats through 12-13 games.
ballhandling TOs: Harden - 24, Evans - 9
assists/passing TOs: Harden - 2.9(64/22), Evans - 4.6(46/10)

[Glenn]

82games.com have stats through 12-13 games.
ballhandling TOs: Harden - 24, Evans - 9
assists/passing TOs: Harden - 2.9(64/22), Evans - 4.6(46/10)

Assuming this topic is for serious discussion. I might start one about who is better, Jason Kidd or IT?

[baller13]

Silly thread, I assume just designed to bag on Tyreke?

How silly of course depend son whetehr Reke is bakc or not. The Reke of recent weeks is NOT out of James Harden's class. May not be as good, but is a star in his own right. But we'll have to see if it holds.

Not at all designed to bag on reke. He is my favorite player in the league. Just saying, they have similar bodies and were picked in the draft back to back. I think these two should always be compared against one another

[TehSwimGuy]

Not at all designed to bag on reke. He is my favorite player in the league. Just saying, they have similar bodies and were picked in the draft back to back. I think these two should always be compared against one another

Sorry, you might not have been around here much, Bricklayer likes to insult people who he thinks "are bagging on Reke", or don't agree with his opinions, since they are the word of law, and since he's a moderator he can be an ******* to people unabashedly. Maybe if you wanted to attract more people to this forum instead of driving them away, you should rethink your attitude towards the members.


Figured I'd come back on just to say that, since other sites are much more enjoyable. Peace out.

[bloom]

Tyreke or James Harden? I’d choose Tyreke. Tyreke’s ceiling is higher in my opinion & once he puts it all together and we find a coach that knows how to use him, in my opinion he’d be a better player than Harden.

[baller13]

Sorry, you might not have been around here much, Bricklayer likes to insult people who he thinks "are bagging on Reke", or don't agree with his opinions, since they are the word of law, and since he's a moderator he can be an ******* to people unabashedly. Maybe if you wanted to attract more people to this forum instead of driving them away, you should rethink your attitude towards the members.


Figured I'd come back on just to say that, since other sites are much more enjoyable. Peace out.

Oh yeah i have definitely already learned that. Classic internet tough guy. And its too bad because he sites seen to have some basketball knowledge. As for tyreke or harden i would say no doubt harden is the better shooter and i would give a slight edge to harden in passing. Tyreke has a better handle and is the better defender. Tyreke is Also faster but Harden jumps higher. I guess right now i would say harden is a little better but i don't think there is any question tyreke still has the higher ceiling if he can reach his potential. If his jump shot continues to fall he really is unguardable. I do wish though that tyreke had a little more of hardens personality in that harden isn't afraid to piss people off and do what needs to be done. He wanted to be the man and he is showing that he is capable. Tyreke has to be more selfish. He is the best player on the team and its time he put them on his back and carried this team to the playoffs.

[Reke 13 Havoc]

He is the best player on the team and its time he put them on his back and carried this team to the playoffs.

not gonna happen with Smart here

[Bricklayer]

Sorry, you might not have been around here much, Bricklayer likes to insult people who he thinks "are bagging on Reke", or don't agree with his opinions, since they are the word of law, and since he's a moderator he can be an ******* to people unabashedly. Maybe if you wanted to attract more people to this forum instead of driving them away, you should rethink your attitude towards the members.


Figured I'd come back on just to say that, since other sites are much more enjoyable. Peace out.

Such a valuable poster you were. Terrible loss. Really.

[cuad]

This is a bad thread. Harden was drafted before Tyreke.

[Gary]

I don't think it's a fair comparison until we see Tyreke in a proper system running the team, as he should.

Harden basically plays the point for Houston, he obviously shoots the ball from deep a lot better than Reke and he's improved his passing game big time. I do think Reke is an underrated passer though. Harden is also just as savvy round the rim. The "handles" argument, well reke is a flashier ball handler but so what?

Harden also plays nearly 39 minutes a game.

If you saw Reke playing in Hardens place in Houston i suspect his numbers would be similar.

Nah stats wouldn't be the same. Houston is built differently than the Kings. If Evans went to Houston he would probably have the stats he has here with the Kings, maybe worse because he wouldn't be the ball handler. Houston has a PG, we don't, so we rely on Evans to ball handle much more than Harden is. I would compare Harden more to Richmond though then I would to Evans. Maybe Jrue Vs. Evans? I would pick Jrue in a heartbeat as well.

[Bricklayer]

Not at all designed to bag on reke. He is my favorite player in the league. Just saying, they have similar bodies and were picked in the draft back to back. I think these two should always be compared against one another

Odd decision then to suddenly slap up a thread at a time while Harden is the toast of the town and Reke is wallowing on an immensely disaapointing Kings team. Its like starting a thread who's hotter, Mila Kunis or my girlfriend? Followed by a disclaimer that you love your girlfriend.

Now as for Harden and people's fascination with him, we'll see. Consider this:

James Harden, 4th Season, Age 23:
38.8min 24.1pts (.427 .341 .834) 4.1reb 5.4ast 1.7stl 0.6blk 4.1TO
Gilbert Arenas, 4th Season, Age 23:
40.9min 25.5pts (.431 .365 .814) 4.7reb 5.1ast 1.7stl 0.3blk 3.0TO

[rainmaker]

Nah stats wouldn't be the same. Houston is built differently than the Kings. If Evans went to Houston he would probably have the stats he has here with the Kings, maybe worse because he wouldn't be the ball handler. Houston has a PG, we don't, so we rely on Evans to ball handle much more than Harden is. I would compare Harden more to Richmond though then I would to Evans. Maybe Jrue Vs. Evans?.

Harden handles the ball a lot with Hou, whether Lin is out there or not. If Reke and Harden were hypothetically to be swapped, there's no reason to believe Reke wouldn't handle the ball a fair amount. Harden is regularly getting the ball out top with a live dribble and running a pick & roll and regularly initiates the offense.

[UK_King]

Nah stats wouldn't be the same. Houston is built differently than the Kings. If Evans went to Houston he would probably have the stats he has here with the Kings, maybe worse because he wouldn't be the ball handler. Houston has a PG, we don't, so we rely on Evans to ball handle much more than Harden is. I would compare Harden more to Richmond though then I would to Evans. Maybe Jrue Vs. Evans? I would pick Jrue in a heartbeat as well.

Harden handles the ball basically every time down the floor, Lin might bring it down sometimes but Harden initiates everything.

[Gary]

Harden handles the ball a lot with Hou, whether Lin is out there or not. If Reke and Harden were hypothetically to be swapped, there's no reason to believe Reke wouldn't handle the ball a fair amount. Harden is regularly getting the ball out top with a live dribble and running a pick & roll and regularly initiates the offense.

Not in the same situations Evans gets the ball in. He does handle the ball a lot but he's not looked to like Evans is to be the prime facilitator of the offense. It's hard to explain but I am sure you have watched both. It's not the same situation. It doesn't look the same. It's like structure vs. winging it.

Harden handles the ball basically every time down the floor, Lin might bring it down sometimes but Harden initiates everything.

See above. Evans is more primary while Harden is more of a secondary. Evans is definitely asked to do more in that department than Harden is. That was my point. Would Evans be asked to be the prime ball handler in Houston? Not with Lin there. I don't believe he would.

[UK_King]

Not in the same situations Evans gets the ball in. He does handle the ball a lot but he's not looked to like Evans is to be the prime facilitator of the offense. It's hard to explain but I am sure you have watched both. It's not the same situation. It doesn't look the same. It's like structure vs. winging it.



See above. Evans is more primary while Harden is more of a secondary. Evans is definitely asked to do more in that department than Harden is. That was my point. Would Evans be asked to be the prime ball handler in Houston? Not with Lin there. I don't believe he would.

He is looked to in that way.

It doesn't look the same because Houston run a proper offense.

[baller13]

Odd decision then to suddenly slap up a thread at a time while Harden is the toast of the town and Reke is wallowing on an immensely disaapointing Kings team. Its like starting a thread who's hotter, Mila Kunis or my girlfriend? Followed by a disclaimer that you love your girlfriend.

Now as for Harden and people's fascination with him, we'll see. Consider this:

James Harden, 4th Season, Age 23:
38.8min 24.1pts (.427 .341 .834) 4.1reb 5.4ast 1.7stl 0.6blk 4.1TO
Gilbert Arenas, 4th Season, Age 23:
40.9min 25.5pts (.431 .365 .814) 4.7reb 5.1ast 1.7stl 0.3blk 3.0TO

I have always compared Tyreke to Harden. How can you not? Went 3rd and 4th in the sane draft. Prettymuch the same size. Both played point guard in college and now both play pretty much a hybrid pg/sg role. Both 23 years old. And yes tyreke is on a disappointing team, but there is more talent on this team then Lebron had in Cleveland when they went to the finals. And I'm not saying i want to compare tyreke and Lebron because obviously lebron is the best player in the world. But tyreke had the talent to be a top 10 player in the league, its time to stay playing like it
No more excuses about the team.

And for the record, I've never seen your girlfriend but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say mila kunis is hotter.

[Gary]

He is looked to in that way.

It doesn't look the same because Houston run a proper offense.

Probably.. When I see it it looks different, but it's probably because it's a real offense.. Dunno. Said something about that yesterday in one of the threads that every other team I watch on league pass seems to be running and offense, and the Kings look like they are winging it. But you're probably right, it's probably the difference between an offense and winging it as to why it looks different.

Still don't think that Evans is better than Harden though or Jrue Holiday.

[rainmaker]

Not in the same situations Evans gets the ball in. He does handle the ball a lot but he's not looked to like Evans is to be the prime facilitator of the offense. It's hard to explain but I am sure you have watched both. It's not the same situation. It doesn't look the same. It's like structure vs. winging it.

That's more a Smart issue. Only time we look like we're running anything with structure is when Reke/Cuz play the two man game, and even that is few and far between. But whether it's Reke, IT, Brooks or Jimmer handling up top, aside from sometimes playing the first high post pass, we do look like we're winging it.

[andjel]

Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
38:47 7.3 17.1 42.7 1.9 5.7 34.1 7.6 9.1 83.4 0.8 3.3 4.1 5.4 4.1 1.7 0.6 2.2 24.1
37:12 7.4 16.2 45.8 0.5 2.0 25.5 4.8 6.5 74.8 0.9 4.4 5.3 5.8 3.0 1.5 0.4 2.8 20.1

Here are the comparable years (free reign on the bad team).
Reke as a rookie vs Harden's fourth year.

edit: giving up on formating, stats are amazingly similar.