Grades v. Pacers 11/30/2012

[andremiller07]

at his best he's a 23ppg/6 assist on 14 shots kinda guy, not a 12/10 on 8 shots. You couple that with the fact that we run no half court offense and it shouldn't be a surprise that he appears to hog the ball. His job is to score when he's out there, and score he did. That's fine by me.

Stephan Curry is not even a 23ppg/ 6assists guy how come Jimmer possibly be? But i agree with you the half court offense thats why most of our teams shooting % is so low we get no easy buckets other than the odd Chuck Hayes pass to a cutter

[sqwalk]

God this jimmer love has got to stop. Its obnoxious. He hurt more then he helped the team tonight. With his bad defense and ball hogging. If you cant see that, you either didnt watch the game, or your one of the fans that only joined the kings because jimmer was drafted

Come on Reke, what's with the jimmer bashing? You keep saying how you don't dislike jimmer, but most of your in-game posts say otherwise. Give the kid a break. He's doing what Smart is telling him to do - which is to score. We don't have much of a half court offense, so he has to create which looks like ball hogging. That's on Smart.

Still, even with all of that, he had more assists than Brooks and MT combined and shot 50% from the field, but you still choose to pick on him. Be mad at Smart, not him.

You know, its possible to love both Tyreke and Jimmer at the same time. I do.

[mac]

Stephan Curry is not even a 23ppg/ 6assists guy how come Jimmer possibly be? But i agree with you the half court offense thats why most of our teams shooting % is so low we get no easy buckets other than the odd Chuck Hayes pass to a cutter

By at his best I mean if he were to ever become an all-star level or borderline all star player that would probably be his statline. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

[Widowmaker2k]

Ditto.

Totally OT, how much snow has Mt. Shasta gotten so far?

I think they will have to wait for the storm to be over to send somebody up to check (if they can, there is not exactly a weather station up there). Meanwhile, in Camino, I haven't received nearly the rainfall I thought I would. I was expecting 12+ inches out of the system, and have so far only received 3.5. That's probably okay, though.

[Kingster]

I'm really getting to the breaking point with this team. I grew up following UCLA and John Wooden and the Lakers and Pat Riley. And now for some godforsaken reason I'm following this? I grew up when the outlet pass thrown by Walton and Jabbar was a beautiful thing to see, when you could actually see the ball not even hit the floor after the defensive rebound and the bang, bang, bang of passing that would lead to a layup. Now instead of seeing the beautiful symmetry of the fast break, I see ugly dysfunction. This is ugly basketball.

This team hasn't even gone on an extended road trip yet. They are getting tons of practice time by NBA standards. If they can't come out with energy and efficiency against the Pacers, then I can't wait until the dog days of January and February. Instead of the .500 prediction I made, the .250 prediction would have been more accurate for this year.

PS I can't help but ponder what Cousins will do when he's really tired on an extended road trip and they've just lost four or five in a row.

[ppine]

I do not see how any one can blame a game like last night against the Pacers on the rotation/substitutions. There was no answer for West and Green. The Kings consistently made lazy entry passes which lead to many turnovers and several easy buckets the other way. Those are really 4 point plays because you lose the possession and give up 2. Indiana deserves some credit for their defense, especailly out front. The last shot by Thornton was terrible because they had a 6 10 guy on him. The Kings lead the League in a stat no one keeps track of - one-on-one percentage. All this and a victory was still withinn reach.

I would fine a player on this team every time his man beats him in transition for an uncontested lay-up. Stop the point leakage from this alone and win some games like last night without doing anything else differently.

[ESP47]

What's your point? Do you have a solution in mind or is it just fun taking pot shots at Cuz.

I've already given numerous solutions in other threads. Not that they at all matter.

I'm just taking pot shots at him. You know, our big 6'11" center with all the talent in the world? The guy with so many moves, he can score at will? The guy who has more talent than just about any center, yet somehow shoots a lower percentage than pretty much all of them?

I bet if you switched Thompson's and Cousins' roles, Jason would score more points with greater efficiency than Cousins if he was allowed to attempt the same amount of shots.

At this point I'm starting to laugh at how bad he is in every game. What other center would take 17 shots, hit 9 out of 10 free throws and only go home with 19 points? Any other somewhat talented center scores 4 baskets that Cousins' misses and we walk away with a W.

[swisshh]

What other center routinely gets the ball at the HIGH, high post when they have an advantage inside? Normally, it's your Brad Millers or Kevin Love types that get the ball there.

Why do we do it? Because our guards all want to drive, so we move Cousins out of the way. It should really be the reverse.

Not to say we always have great spacing. Even when Cousins works inside, the floor is spread in such a way that there's hardly ever a passing lane.

[VF21]

What other center routinely gets the ball at the HIGH, high post when they have an advantage inside? Normally, it's your Brad Millers or Kevin Love types that get the ball there.

Why do we do it? Because our guards all want to drive, so we move Cousins out of the way. It should really be the reverse.

Not to say we always have great spacing. Even when Cousins works inside, the floor is spread in such a way that there's hardly ever a passing lane.

I'd love to see this in giant flaming letters in the sky. Maybe then Smart would think of it...or not.

[Npliam]

I'd love to see this in giant flaming letters in the sky. Maybe then Smart would think of it...or not.

I am not sure that Cousins doesn't prefer to be at the high post.

[Bricklayer]

I am not sure that Cousins doesn't prefer to be at the high post.

I in fact think he does. And that is pretty common nowadays, especially for a player with a PF skill package like Cousins. Thus complaints about it are often misplaced, EXCEPT for the balance issue. Have him with a 50/50 inside/outside split and it makes sense for his skillset. In ths game though it was nearly 100% outside, which was either a mistake, or possibly a response to big ole Hibbert in there. If the latter, that too could make sense, and the truth is that Boogie had him. It could have worked. But he wasn't smart enough. Hibbert couldn't handle him off the dribble, and because of that the entire second half Cousins had wide open jumpers nearly every play. The problem was he didn't take thm.

[tyreeeke]

wow man, its 5 am your time, your really intent on this

I stand for what I believe in! Believe it or not, i'm a Gator and I fell in love with Jimmer during the NCAA tournament while he was playing us. Kenny Boynton, an excellent defender and adored Gator, had more trouble with Jimmer than any player i've ever seen.

[tyreeeke]

I wouldn't exactly say Jimmer was "open" at the end.



Ok maybe he gives him the ball earlier but then you're just trading one contested three for another. The real problem is we didn't get anyone a good look from an inbounds play.

He was open earlier and Jimmer wouldn't have been shooting over a 7'2 center.

[tyreeeke]

This is Marcus Thornton we are talking about ... The whole world knew he was going to get the shot and he wasn't going to pass it up. Sometimes you need a player like that ... sometimes.

Hey, your man Jimmer is playing well! I'm still not sold on us playing .500 ball with him getting more minutes or err him being an all star in 4 years and all that, but he's showing that he will probably end up as a good player in this league. I am happy with that, was very happy when we drafted him because I thought he'd make a good backcourt mate for Tyreke.

You're kind and I thank you for that, as i'm obviously not well received by many. You have to understand, I don't live in a pro sports city. I latch onto players and then root for the teams they're on. This won't be well received, neither, but Kobe Bryant is my favorite player along with Jimmer. lol.

[UK_King]

He was open earlier and Jimmer wouldn't have been shooting over a 7'2 center.

well thats what i said, so we get a contested jumper vs a contested jumper.

I'd rather see us run a play to get a good shot, I've never been a fan of this "superstar mode" final shot routine that dominates the NBA. Is that really the best play you can think of?

[ESP47]

I in fact think he does. And that is pretty common nowadays, especially for a player with a PF skill package like Cousins. Thus complaints about it are often misplaced, EXCEPT for the balance issue. Have him with a 50/50 inside/outside split and it makes sense for his skillset. In ths game though it was nearly 100% outside, which was either a mistake, or possibly a response to big ole Hibbert in there. If the latter, that too could make sense, and the truth is that Boogie had him. It could have worked. But he wasn't smart enough. Hibbert couldn't handle him off the dribble, and because of that the entire second half Cousins had wide open jumpers nearly every play. The problem was he didn't take thm.

I'm sure the first meeting against the Pacers was still fresh in Cousins' mind. Hibbert almost completely shut him down in the low post. Hibbert finished that game with 6 blocks. Cousins got blocked 4 times. He attempted 27 field goals and only hit on 9 of them for a cool 33%.

This game he shot 29% and only got blocked twice because he played outside. I've never heard of a center that routinely gets shut down like this.

Cousins should be the 5th option behind Tyreke, Thornton, Thompson and Brooks. I'd rather have Brooks just jacking up random shots than Cousins wasting our time taking the bulk of our shots and only hitting 30% of them most the time.

[tyreeeke]

Stephan Curry is not even a 23ppg/ 6assists guy how come Jimmer possibly be? But i agree with you the half court offense thats why most of our teams shooting % is so low we get no easy buckets other than the odd Chuck Hayes pass to a cutter

Jimmer is better than Curry. Jimmer is stronger, a better driver, and a better finisher.

[tyreeeke]

well thats what i said, so we get a contested jumper vs a contested jumper.

I'd rather see us run a play to get a good shot, I've never been a fan of this "superstar mode" final shot routine that dominates the NBA. Is that really the best play you can think of?

That kind of role should only be reserved for Kobe, Durant, Lebron, and Wade when he's on, IMO.

[jcassio]

Nah I disagree. Jimmer played pretty well ... his defense wasn't THAT bad. Also don't really think he hogged the ball, at least when he did he scored which is fine by me. For all his "ballhogging" he still got more assists than Brooks and MT combined. The thing is Jimmer is a scoring guard, at his best he's a 23ppg/6 assist on 14 shots kinda guy, not a 12/10 on 8 shots. You couple that with the fact that we run no half court offense and it shouldn't be a surprise that he appears to hog the ball. His job is to score when he's out there, and score he did. That's fine by me.

I also thought Jimmer played pretty well. He could, however, improve his defense significantly if he would learn to lower his center of gravity (by lowering his butt). In any contact sport, if your opponent has a high center of gravity, a respectable IQ tells you that you can get an advantage by making him (try to) change directions. They simply can't change directions efficiently because of their weight distribution. This advantage can make a player with good speed effective against a player with excellent speed. And Jimmer needs all the advantage he can get because he's only got good speed at best.

[UK_King]

Did Jimmer get crossed up and fall at one point or was i imagining that?