Is the team underachieving
Is NOT underachieving due to lack of talent
IS underachieving. All on the players
Is NOT underachieving because of our Head Coach
IS underachieving. All on the Coach
Is NOT underachieving because roster doesn't fit
IS underachieving because roster doesn't fit
Is NOT underachieving because of a Maloof Conspiracy?
IS underachieving because of a Maloof Conspiracy?
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Is the team underachieving
Are you like some Maloof market researcher or something? ALL your threads consist of one line questions/posts and a poll.
LOL, I've been saying this for months. Glad someone else is taking notice.Originally Posted by mac
All in all you're just another brick in the wall. - Pink Floyd
I would be happy with a 35-40 win season so atm 4-10 is not on track to achieve that adn that target is not looking like its gonna happend
All on the coach AND the Magoofs, which should've been an option.
you've already started 152 threads? impressive.
I would sell my soul for a soul worth keeping.
You could say that and you would be right. You can make a case that most teams underachieve unless they go well into the playoffs. The coach is the convenient target and deserves some blame. So do Petrie and the owners. But ultimately so do the players. The Kings now have a culture of losing. The referees treat them like losers. It will be harder to change the longer it goes on. The current team is probably as talented as any in the last 5 years. That is what makes watching them lose to average teams at home so difficult. Remember when guys like Beno were the leading scorers? Many former Kings players have gone on to successful careers somewhere else.
Not at all. We're 4-10, tied for last in the West, playing great and over-achieving. We're all happy we're living up to expectations.
“Sacramento is where I want to be,’’ he said. “I want to bring the organization back, help the organization get started back winning. I love the city of Sacramento. That’s where I want to be. End of story. “We can dig a hole, throw that topic in there, cover it with dirt, pack it down. I want to be in Sacramento. End of story.’’ -DeMarcus Cousins
Our franchise literally is about to rise from the ashes.
The team wouldn't be achieving much more with a bigger name coach. It is improperly constructed. I wish fans would realize this. The whining about Smart feels like desperation to avoid the real issue of the owners and just how ugly they are willing to let things get in order to get their way.
Is not underachieving due to lack of talent. Really its all interlinked. Kings have bad owners who consistently are among the lowest payrolls, Petrie is past his prime, and the coach is not nba calibure. However, the Kings don't have a clear all-star quality player on their roster (given present form), and any team that you can say that about will fight to sniff the playoffs
i dont think thats true at all. have u watched the games? so many of them have been lost just sheerly on mismanaging the lineups. even a decent coach like McMillen, or Scotty Brooks (who we should have hired when we had him here on the staff) would have this team at a .500 record at least
yes i agree the team is not constructed well (too many shoot first guards and not enough rebounding or shot blocking). but that doesnt mean they still arent losing games due to bad coaching
I voted for NOT underachieving due to lack of talent but having pieces that do not fit is also a big factor. While Keith Smart is a terrible coach, the talent on this roster is HIGHLY overrated by most posters here. Let's have a look:
Cousins: Talented but not at the Hall of Fame level that most here feel he is. He can do some special things for a big man but he negates that with a ton of negative things on and off the court.
Evans: A solid NBA player but probably not going to improve a whole lot from here on out
Robinson: Our most raw talented player but most felt he was "NBA ready" out of college but I think we are seeing that is not the case.
Jimmer: He can shoot the basketball but not capable of a lot after that
JT: Average NBA role player who starts and gets big minutes with us
Salmons: Might not even be in the league if it wasn't for GP's love affair with him. Starts and plays big minutes for us.
JJ: Marginal NBA player who is having a hard time getting playing time at an extremely weak position for us
IT: Nice find in the 2nd round but nothing more than a backup PG
Brooks: Unnecessary pickup who doesn't offer a lot lot more than was IT's role should have been
Hayes: Great guy, good locker room guy but an extremely undersized PF/C who would have a small or no role on a winning team
Thornton: Solid NBA player but not overly talented and is having a terrible start to the season
Cisco: Do I need to even go here?
Outlaw: See above
So when you really look at it, where is all this talent that everybody thinks we have? Talent usually finds a way to win in the NBA and this group isn't getting it done. Sure a better coach would help but we are nowhere near being a playoff team.
Blow it up!!
"Dealing with the Maloofs is like dealing with the North Koreans, except less competent." -- Chris Lehane, Director of Think Big
"Size doesn't make any difference; heart is what makes a difference." -- Jerry Sloan.
NO chance. A .500 team? Are you serious? We are 4-10. You think a decent coach would have netted us 3 more wins? Coaching at this level is important but it's not going to get you 75% more wins than you currently have.
"Dealing with the Maloofs is like dealing with the North Koreans, except less competent." -- Chris Lehane, Director of Think Big
"Size doesn't make any difference; heart is what makes a difference." -- Jerry Sloan.
i do agree with all of the player analysis on the above post
i dont mind blowing it up either. but id like to see Tyreke, Marcus, and DMC stay. build from there
counter question: do you think the current success of the Bobcats is purely a product of MKG?
I would sell my soul for a soul worth keeping.
um ya, did you watch all the games? right off that bat i can think of the Utah game and the CHI game that was lost completely by benching the starters (mainly Tyreke) for WAY too long. so right there thats already 6-8. u think a decent coach wouldnt also have this team sharing the ball. im sure they would have easily been at 7-7 right now with proper minutes and lineup management alone. not to mention running a real offense
While I agree that his rotations are ridiculous there is no guarantee that by simply putting the starters back in would have given us 3+ more wins. It's not like our starters are All-Stars. This is the NBA. Other teams starters are generally better than ours anyways and they would have stepped up to the competition. Who really knows what would have happened.
It's kind of like how on this current homestand a lot of posters here have talked about how we should easily win most of the games because we are playing the likes of Minnesota, Indiana, Toronto, Orlando, etc. but the funny thing is all those teams look at us as a win as well. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
"Dealing with the Maloofs is like dealing with the North Koreans, except less competent." -- Chris Lehane, Director of Think Big
"Size doesn't make any difference; heart is what makes a difference." -- Jerry Sloan.
look at the Utah game the very next night after the coach ruined the 4th quarter, against the very same team. almost the same situation in the 4th but Smart brings Tyreke in with 8 minutes left and the kings finished the game out easily. the night before would have probably been the same way
Last edited by HereWeVivek; 11-29-2012 at 02:04 PM.
He has certainly helped, yes, but they have had an extremely soft schedule the first 14 games. I would expect them to end up around 25-28 wins on the season
"Dealing with the Maloofs is like dealing with the North Koreans, except less competent." -- Chris Lehane, Director of Think Big
"Size doesn't make any difference; heart is what makes a difference." -- Jerry Sloan.
But the MKG is not the only difference between Bobcats now and last season. They revamped over 60% of their rotation - Augustin gone, Derrick Brown gone, Tyrus Thomas injured (addition by subtraction); added Ramon Session, Ben Gordon, and Haywood; moved Biyambo to off the bench, moved Walker, Jeff Taylor, Haywood, and MKG into the starting lineup. They have four new starters compared to last season, plus a completely new bench.
Also, MKG is the ultimate glue guy. He does so many things that doesn't show up in the boxscore, any team that has him would immediately improves.
As LWP777 said, the Bobcats also benefited from a friendly schedule.
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