How the Kings Rotation and Sub Patterns Should be...

[t-rex]

Did you ever play Super TECMO NBA for the SNES? Les, Hopson, Chilcutt, Schnitzius (sp), Bonner. Powerhouse!!! Chilcutt was always my favorite.

No, but that sounds like a dominate lineup lol. I remember being stoked when the Kings got Danny Ainge. Didn't translate into many wins though.

[twslam07]

I'm still waiting for a consistant jumper from Tyreke. Are you declaring victory after a few nice shooting games? LOL. I'm not a jimmer lover and I don't think Jimmer should be taking minutes from Evans. The issue is between IT and Jimmer. You are hilarious.

To be fair, you questioned Isaiah's ballhandling after one 3 TO game...

[t-rex]

To be fair, you questioned Isaiah's ballhandling after one 3 TO game...

True. My bad.

[tyreeeke]

Not to be picky, but it was a 4 turnover game. It happens.

[Reke 13 Havoc]

I'm still waiting for a consistant jumper from Tyreke. Are you declaring victory after a few nice shooting games? LOL. I'm not a jimmer lover and I don't think Jimmer should be taking minutes from Evans. The issue is between IT and Jimmer. You are hilarious.

i wasnt saying anything about Jimmers minutes compared to Tyrekes minutes. im just simply saying its funny that everyone praises Jimmers shooting and hates on Tyreke's, yet hes shooting a better 3pt % over the last 5 games

[Reke 13 Havoc]

Tyreke's 3pt percentage is 27%
Jimmer 3pt percentage is 45%

Jimmer's FG% and efficiency rating is higher too, but I guess you already knew that?

Get your facts straight before you starting posting crap.

umm ya sorry bro, before you go calling me out on things, maybe you should look and see what i was talking about first, so that you dont look ridiculous. now please refer to the post at the top of page 2 to see the shooting %'s i was talking about. k thanks.

[Kingster]

I agree with quite a bit of what you say. Truth is, when the other team puts a good defender on Thronton, he struggles to score at times. He's not a player that excells at creating his own shot. Don't get me wrong, he can create, but he's a long way from unstoppable. He becomes far more effective when he's playing with the starting unit, when all the attention isn't on him. I'll give Thornton his due though, he certainly makes the most of what he has.

I was curious to see how IT would fare in the NBA. At Washington, whenever the other team was able to put a good defender on IT that was taller, but just as quick, he struggled big time. Plus, his outside shot was very inconsistent at Washington. He surprised me last year, looking like a player that had played in the NBA for a couple of years. This year, he's having a harder time of it. The NBA giveth, and the NBA taketh away. Team learn what you like to do, and where you don't like to shoot from, and they make you adjust. At least a couple of times he's struggled on offense when he was guarded by a taller, but just as quick player. IT is an offensively aggressive player, whether he's trying to create for himself, or another player. As a result he's always going at high speed. When your going at highspeed, and the other team starts taking away things you like to do, you start to make mistakes, and thats whats happening to IT on occasion.

The problem is, that when IT slows down, he loses some of his effectiveness, and becomes easier to guard. Obviously, smaller PG's start out with a disadvantage. IT is quick, there's no denying that. But John Wall is just as quick, and 7 inches taller. So thats a disadvantage from the get go. So sorry, IT fans, but when I see IT's future, its coming off the bench. No shame in that. If not for the Kings, I'm sure some NBA team.

I don't buy it. This is the standard dogma, but I see nothing different from opposing teams guarding IT. With Tyreke, you could say that teams learned his obvious weakness and played to it after his first season. So where do teams play to IT's obvious weakness? I do see a multitude of lineups and a different offense and different times he gets in the game, and certainly less assurance that he's going to stay in the game. If anything, his shooting is better than last year. I think he's pressing because he no longer is starting, but he seemed pretty much like the old IT in the second half of the last game. He's also needs to play with some shooters out there that spread the floor and finish. There's no way he's going to be successful if he's playing with Johnson, Hayes and Robinson like he was in the first half.

I think the multitude of lineups screws with all the guys that handle the ball on this team. The assist level is putrid - for every body. How in the world can you have assist makers when you can't get comfortable with the people you play with on a regular basis? I really was hoping that IT and Robinson could develop a raport as the season progressed. I'd love to see more pick and rolls. I'd love to see some more lob passes to Robinson. Those opportunities are there; I saw some opportunities missed in the last game. But it's going to take a consistent lineup and some consistent minutes and film work to get there.

[mac]

I don't buy it. This is the standard dogma, but I see nothing different from opposing teams guarding IT. With Tyreke, you could say that teams learned his obvious weakness and played to it after his first season. So where do teams play to IT's obvious weakness? I do see a multitude of lineups and a different offense and different times he gets in the game, and certainly less assurance that he's going to stay in the game. If anything, his shooting is better than last year. I think he's pressing because he no longer is starting, but he seemed pretty much like the old IT in the second half of the last game. He's also needs to play with some shooters out there that spread the floor and finish. There's no way he's going to be successful if he's playing with Johnson, Hayes and Robinson like he was in the first half.

I think the multitude of lineups screws with all the guys that handle the ball on this team. The assist level is putrid - for every body. How in the world can you have assist makers when you can't get comfortable with the people you play with on a regular basis? I really was hoping that IT and Robinson could develop a raport as the season progressed. I'd love to see more pick and rolls. I'd love to see some more lob passes to Robinson. Those opportunities are there; I saw some opportunities missed in the last game. But it's going to take a consistent lineup and some consistent minutes and film work to get there.

Yup. Reke 13 pretty much summed it up - we're 14 games in, 22 including preseason, with a full training camp, and Smart still hasn't decided on a proper lineup and rotation. And the players pretty much suffer because of it - they talk about having to stay ready, and that coach doesn't even tell them until during the game itself. It's hard as a player to develop chemistry with the team (especially as a PG) and also to prepare yourself when you don't know when you're going to play. The thing is we're not talking about absolute scrubs here - we're talking about two guys who can be very good players off the bench.

http://www.cowbellkingdom.com/2012/1...-remain-ready/

See this just goes to show what a nutcase of a coach Smart is. Now, we might not be winning more games with a different coach, but we sure as hell wouldn't be losing more. You don't go out to the media and say that you're going to get more PT for a player, then continue not playing him or playing him little. It's like ... Smart has never ever been able to stick to his word. He's a smooth talker, but he doesn't walk the walk.

[Gilles]

...How in the world can you have assist makers when you can't get comfortable with the people you play with on a regular basis? I really was hoping that IT and Robinson could develop a raport as the season progressed. I'd love to see more pick and rolls. I'd love to see some more lob passes to Robinson. Those opportunities are there; I saw some opportunities missed in the last game. But it's going to take a consistent lineup and some consistent minutes and film work to get there.

Hayes' man is always around the paint so P&R is not going to be successful since rolling is mostly taken away and Robinson doesn't have the range right now to pop from 18-20 feet.

[kingsnation]

That's debatable. Jimmer won't develop and reach the potential a lot of you are talking about unless he gets off the pine. He was drafted high and is showing improvement from last year to this year and is being rewarded with less minutes because of what? The rest of the players offer so much more this year? That's a freaking joke. Trade him or see if he can help the team out with more minutes. By the way, this year IT's defense and ball handling has not been better than Jimmer. If anything it's worse. Jimmer has improved. IT has digressed. End of story.

Has IT "digressed?" Neither you or I know. It's not even 20 games into his Sophomore season. That, so far, is a slump. Not a digression.

And even if Jimmer has outplayed IT this year, he still doesn't deserve minutes over Reke, Brooks or MT.

[Reke 13 Havoc]

And even if Jimmer has outplayed IT this year, he still doesn't deserve minutes over Reke, Brooks or MT.

exactly. and any Smart coach would just use those 3 (reke,MT,Brooks) as a 3 guard rotation and no other guard would see the court barring injuries or blowouts

[kingsnation]

Early on draft position should matter. He is a lottery pick who has shown vast improvement over last year. He's showing confindence and an ability to learn from his mistakes. This is a major positive and could mean continual improvment year after year. It's easier to write off a low draft pick or ride him on the bench early on. IT deserved more minutes last year based on performance which outweighed his draft position. Jimmer deserves more PT based on performance this year and is starting to show why he is more than a bench player.

The more I see Jimmer on the bench and excelling in limited minutes, the more I think he'll be another Kings pick who will flourish somewhere else. I can guarentee you there are GMs across the league who would love to give him ample opportunity to prove himself and help their team.

MORE than a bench player? Are you serious? I can understand you saying 6th man or great bench player but starter?

Wow.

[mac]

Spurs damn near beat the Heat with Duncan, Parker, Ginobili and Green out. That is one heck of a well coached team - their "scrubs" executed far far better on offense than our team ever does. See if Smart was Pop he'd now go "oh dang, I need to get more PT for these guys!", and you'd see Tony Parker sitting an extra 6 minutes a game so that James Andersen gets to play. See that's what Smart doesn't get - your main team consists of 8-9 guys, and all the rest are there to do a good job filling in when one of your main guys is hurt or suspended or something (or in this case sent home to take the day off). It doesn't matter how good a job they do, because you're supposed to have settled on your 9 best players long ago.

[t-rex]

MORE than a bench player? Are you serious? I can understand you saying 6th man or great bench player but starter?

Wow.

Yep! A starter. Probably never will happen though as long as Smart is in charge. And the losing continues.

[tyreeeke]

Yep! A starter. Probably never will happen though as long as Smart is in charge. And the losing continues.

If given a substantial amount of meaningful minutes, Jimmer AND the TEAM would excel. I recall the game against Portland, down 25-10, where Jimmer led the comeback and the Kings actually took the lead. After Jimmer was benched for no explainable reason, Portland blew the Kings out of the building. Then of course, Smart (and I hate calling him smart) puts Jimmer back in hoping to be saved again. Too late.

[t-rex]

umm ya sorry bro, before you go calling me out on things, maybe you should look and see what i was talking about first, so that you dont look ridiculous. now please refer to the post at the top of page 2 to see the shooting %'s i was talking about. k thanks.

My bad. But still....Jimmer's better for the "Entire Season" so far. How bout we make a comparison at the all-star break and see what we've got. That is, provided our dumb coach decides to put Jimmer in some of the games. Your right, Tyreke is leading Jimmer in the last 5 games. Tyreke's jumper problem must be fixed. Halleluja!

[Reke 13 Havoc]

Yep! A starter. Probably never will happen though as long as Smart is in charge. And the losing continues.

it will never happen unless every player under 6'8 dissapears of the earth and Jimmer is the only one left to play PG

[tyreeeke]

it will never happen unless every player under 6'8 dissapears of the earth and Jimmer is the only one left to play PG

If you don't think Jimmer is going to eventually be a starter in this league, I think you're sadly mistaken and blinded by bias and hate.

[Bricklayer]

If you don't think Jimmer is going to eventually be a starter in this league, I think you're sadly mistaken and blinded by bias and hate.

obviously. Terrible rookie season, followed by 11th man status on one of the league's worst teams = obviously an NBA starter, despite not having an NBA position. Anybody who can't see that must just be blind.

[tyreeeke]

obviously. Terrible rookie season, followed by 11th man status on one of the league's worst teams = obviously an NBA starter, despite not having an NBA position. Anybody who can't see that must just be blind.

Consider the circumstances, from top to bottom. I'm not even allowed to talk about why Smart doesn't play Jimmer on this board, so I digress.