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Thread: Grades v. Jazz 11/24/2012

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    Grades v. Jazz 11/24/2012

    And that, ladies and gents, is how you do it.

    And yes, that even extends to a coach who suddenly and abruptly grew a brain stem after half. I don't hate Keith Smart. I hate idiots who don't understand the game. If Keith Smart wants to act like an idiot, I hate him. But tonight, after half in particular, all of a sudden we looked like a real basketball team coached by a real coach. Rotations tightened, guys came back when they should. We dominated the third quarter running play after play off a high pick sequence with Reke and Cousins involved every time. And with a coach making good decisions, all of a sudden we looked pretty good ourselves. Now we'll see it it means anything next game.

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    Stats: 28min 8pts (3-8, 2-4, 0-0) 5reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
    Salmons ( C+ ) -- a better effort than he had in the first Utah game. He still saw several Utah shooters drain threes in his face, and there you can really feel the difference between having Johnson or Salmons out there on defense -- at 6'9" and long, when Johnson challenges a shooter he smothers them. Salmons is more of a big guard and can play perfect defense and still have guys able to shoot over him. But tonight it wasn't nearly the problem it was in the game in Utah, and after getting outscored 20-4 by Marvin Williams in Utah, tonight John played him to an 8-8 draw, and in fact I think was a little better overall than Williams. Offensively felt he was again taking a few too many of his little dribble around and look for a midrange jumper things, but he hit a little hot streak in the early third, getting one to fall, and then following it up with a three off a broken play as we started gaining momentum. Not a great game here, but we don't actually want great games from John. Just hold down the fort and stay out of the way, and he mostly handled those duties as the Jazz SFs did not have an impact this time out.

    Stats: 33min 16pts (6-12, 0-0, 4-6) 9reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
    Thompson ( B ) -- solid and efficient statline, and a particulalry important player for us after Cousins was ejected. Had good energy in the early going, but productivity did not pick up until the second quarter. Had been bouncing aorudn early with a lot of his fugly tips and fumbles inside, and in fact had fought with Cousins over several boards, including one time that led to a turnover. But after his return his energy and activity was almost the onyl thing keeping us going in the latter stages of the first half, as he banged around inside for tips, drew fouls, and scored 8 points in the final 6 minutes of the half. Was never really anything more than solid after half , but solid, and tall, was what we needed. Started the third missing an easy jumper st up for him on a platter, but remained active on the offensive glass working in the shadows behind all the Reke/Cousins two man stuff we were running. Milsap began to get something going against him for the first time in the two games in the third, but after Cousins left and he shifted over to center, was solid on Big Al, including returnign late in the game and making a nice defensive stand against him inside the 3min mark as we put this away. This wasn't an aesthetically pleasing game no matter how efficient the numbers look, but was solid enough to warrant the straight B I think.

    Stats: 30min 14pts (6-11, 0-1, 2-4) 9reb 3ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
    Cousins ( B ) -- much better start than the last game. Where in Utah Cousins looked oddly uninvolved, he was very active from the beginning this time out, swiping at a lot of balls, playing actively with Reke, could see real effort. The interaction wiht Reke is especially enouraging, as we have been seeing more and more pick and rolls, Reke backcuts, and two man stuff out of them. Came up wiht a couple of spectaculr hoops in the thrid, both on the hightlight reel above. On one dropped a quick crossover dribble on Big Al, whihc again is just not something guys his size do, or have ever done. On the other went into full on beast mode, grabbing a big board and then just bullying Favors under the hoop before finishing with a monster flush on his head. What had him so fired up was the same thing I was watching that was so enoucraging -- as agin and again, for minutes at a time, we were running a high 2 man game with Reke and Cuz, and they were both looking for each other. Both guys were getting their shot,s but more importantly we were suddenly structured and everybody else was getting good looks too as the Jazz struggled to contain it. GREAT sign for the future if we start running a lot of that. After years of having no idea what we were running, it looked like a potential staple using our two best players as anchors. Who would've thunk? Anyway, things were going swimmingly until we had a Boogie moment. Maybe a bogus moment too, because I don't for an instant beleive Dwight Howard would ahve been treated the same way. In any case, Cuz and Kanter started banging viciosuly on one play, and suddenly the ref stepped in...not to calla foul on Cuz, which was possible. But to call a ticky technical on him apparently for swatting the ball away after the whistle, which was bang bang btw. And then 30 seconds later, at the end of what looked like a generally civil conversation wiht a ref, hewas suddenly tagged with a second technical and booted from the game. Which unless he was over there casually talking to that ref about his wife and the 5 midgets and a goat she was with last night, smelled suspiciously like a B.S. reputation ejection to me. Anyway, suddenly he was gone, and the two man game with which we had seized control of the game was gone with him. Our guys responded the right way though, and amazingly so did Smart, ridiing his remaining star in Reke, and even amazingly actually subbing him back in in the 4th on time to help close things up for us. I am mostly ignoring the ejection with this grade, because this wasn't one of those egregious DeMarcus grow up moments.

    Stats: 37min 27pts (9-17, 0-1, 9-9) 5reb 5ast 2stl 0blk 2TO
    Evans ( A ) -- yay! Reke is back, and he's brought a jumper this time. In the last 4 games he's averaging 21.8pts 5reb 4.5ast 1.8stl on .525 shooting. Sound like anybody we once knew? And the coach even played him full minutes tonight. Now if we could just get Cousins in gear we might have something. Was out on the break attacking from the early going here, and working well with Cuz again, both creating and being created for. Was finding a lot of guys early, but slowed a bit late in the quarter after the Jazz subbed in DeMarre Carrool to check him. On the other end of the court wasn't doing a good enough job of smothering Foye, and we paid for it as Foye drained 4 first quarter threes -- Foye just got silly hot there as he didn't seem to care if he was challenged or not and was drainging them over everybody, covered or not, but still. Suffered through another of Smart's long second quarter freezeouts and didn't do much after returning, but came out in the third with a bang and never looked backed, pouring in 21 seconds half points (that number is a bit exaggeratd by the Jazz playing the intentional foul game late). The lane opened up for him in the early third and he raced in for the big one handed dunk, but what was so impressive as we dominated the third was Reke running the show as we ran play after play featuring Reke and Cuz playign off each other and creating for others. Cousins departure of course ruined that stretch, but maybe it made the decision to bring back Reke on time, at the 8 minute mark, easier for Smart. Was shaky for a few minutes after his return, including committing the sin of fouling Foye on a three point attempt, but Foye amazingly missed all three FTs, Reke picked it back up, and looked exremely confident downt he stretch. He even stepped in to take a big charge in the final minute, and as mentioend knocked down all the intentional foul FTs as he went 9-9 from the line. Almost went with the same minus I have been giving him for the last week, this time because of the defensive mistakes against Foye. But this was star stuff.

    Stats: 32min 13pts (5-6, 3-4, 0-0) 0reb 2ast 4stl 0blk 1TO
    Brooks ( B+ ) -- another extremely efficient night for Brooks playing next to Reke -- since moving into the starting lineup 5 games ago, Brooks is shooting .704. . Played well early in all aspects, making a nice drive and shovel pass to JT inside, knocking down a three off his dribble, and really trying to smother Tinsely defensively. But in typical fashion never returned after the first quarter as Smart went off on his normal backup PG exploratory mission, splitting the entire 2nd quarter between Jimmer and IT, neither of whom was particularly effective. Came out in the third and was truly off the ball as Reke and Cuz dominated the ball, but was very effective working as that off the ball spacer draining open threes. And Smart finally helped out too, as he amazingly went to a 3-guard rotation after half, played Brooks into the early parts of the 4th, let Reke take over at PG for a spell, and then returned Brooks to help close it out. Textbook. While it didn't matter by that point as we were closing things out, at the 1:30 mark was amused to see him get stripped on a very similar play to the one that lost things for us last night, as he tried to beat Tinsely, and Tinsely reached out and slapped it away form him again. Its a one-diimensional statline, but really has been working well with Reke and Cousins, not getting in the way, and settling things with his experience.
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    Grades v. Jazz 11/24/2012

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    Stats: 19min 9pts (3-9, 1-6, 2-5) 2reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 0TO
    Thornton ( C- ) -- came in missing easy shots, including a perfectly set up wide open three in the corner from Reke, and I thought misplaying several plays in the early 2nd. On one in aprticular Hayes had the ball up top, waved TRob out of the paint to clear it for Marcus on a drive, then passed the ball to Marcus, who promptly chucked up a bricked three now with both of his bigs out near the 3pt line well out of rebounding positon. Kind of scruffed his way into a few points, and finally got his only 3pt hit of the night when IT came in in the mid-2nd -- a little flash of the old chemistry between those two -- but then went quiet. Returned for the early portions of the 4th, and brought energy if nothing else, hustling after long rebounds, following his own missed FT for hsi final points of the night, and scrapping out there. But never did get going offensively, stubbornly refused to hit his threes, and late in the game Smart went back to Brooks. An interesting development with the surge of the Reke/Brooks backcourt, has been Marcus's minutes declining. He only notched 39 minutes combined in the two Utah games, although some of that may have been because he is simply too small to guard the long Utah wings.

    Stats: 15min 9pts (4-4, 0-0, 1-2) 4reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 3TO
    Robinson ( B ) -- other than a finsih inside on an inbounds pass from Reke just befor ethe end fo the first quarter, was not effective in his first stint. Spent much of it seemingly tryig to invent new ways to turn it over, and wasn't on the glass. Wondered if he would even get any second half minutes, or whether we would shorten the frontcourt rotation as we did in the game in Utah. But Cousins may have helped by getting the boot, and the rookie made the most of his chance at redemption when he got back in in the 4th. Scored at an important time for us in the paint off a nice Hayes pass in the mid 4th, and then next possession got a run out on the break from Reke. Capped things with a third bucket running by Misap off the dribble. And so turned another poor game looking like a rookie, into one where he gave us a real boost at a critical time.

    Stats: 6min 4pts (1-1, 0-0, 2-2) 0reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
    Fredette ( INC ) -- came in and was immediately pressured and turned it over by Watson, and I thoguht was largely ineffective trying to run the team in the first half of the second quarter. Think Smart felt so too, as halfway through the quarter he abruptly changed his mind and switched to IT instead to get more ballhandling. Jimmer's highlight, and only assist, came on a play when the Jazz trapped him along the baseline, and he was able to just lean out far enough to hit Thornton for a layup with an escape pass. Added a couple of FTs on a completely silly Jazz intentional foul down 9 with 18 secs to go.

    Stats: 17min 5pts (2-2, 0-0, 1-2) 1reb 2ast 1stl 1blk 1TO
    Hayes ( C+ ) -- recipient of a couple of good passes in the early 2nd and finished them efficiently. More physical power banging with Kanter, although this time I think Kanter was getting the better of it. Had a few more of his useful passes, but has not been rebounding well of late, and this time only grabbed 1 for us in 17 minutes of action. In for the final 2 mintues, likely due to TRob's foul shooting issues, and got a ball poked away from behind for a TO. Not terrible, but the rebounding and overall quiet nature of this game had me tempted to call it a C.

    Stats: 16min 3pts (1-3, 0-0, 1-2) 2reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 0TO
    Johnson ( C ) -- still can't hit a jumper to save his life, but created for others off his dribble. Was in the game late and on a close charge/block call got to the lien at the 2:49 mark and split the pair.

    Stats: 7min 0pts (0-1, 0-0, 0-0) 0reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
    Thomas ( INC ) -- in to get more creativity at the PG. Got an early assist to Marcus for a three, but made 2 bad turnovers before settling back to mere invisibility after Reke returned. After half Smart just went to a 3 guard Evans/Brooks/Thornton rotation rather than fool around anymore with the backup PGs.
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    3 good games in a row where the team looks completely different. averaging like 89ppg the first 10 games and 108ppg the last 3. should easily be a 3 game win-streak. i think the new starting lineup has a lot to do with it. Tyreke playing with 2 guys that can knock down 3's is making both Tyreke and the team look a lot better. also Smart is FINALLY starting to tighten rotations. and lets hope after last night debacle, he's also learned when to put his stars back in the game in the 4th

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    Tyreke has looked really good lately. He still fades backwards sometimes when he shoots but hes not kicking out that leg anymore. And now hes starting to look like he can play with the ball in his hands. Hope this is a sign of him finally getting it and he gets that extension.

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    look at the box score. the minutes for starters and bench players looks WAY better than it did 5 games ago

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    i also gotta commend John Salmons. he's one of the very few role players on this team out there just playing his role. taking his open jumpers. not forcing shots.

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    Yes, Chuck and Salmons are just playing their role. Would love for JJ to adopt that attitude again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swisshh View Post
    Yes, Chuck and Salmons are just playing their role. Would love for JJ to adopt that attitude again.
    Chuck has been a stud everywhere hes been hes a crafty vet with great court vision and one of the best tear drops I have seen. As far as JJ on the offense end he has been really poor but on D for the most part I have been very impressed hes given fits to the likes of Prince, Josh Smith, Klay Thompson amongst others.

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    I wasnt able to catch this game as it was on NBATV. How many Jumpers did Tyreke make/take? Anybody know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. S£im citrus View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupacabra View Post
    I wasnt able to catch this game as it was on NBATV. How many Jumpers did Tyreke make/take? Anybody know?

    think it was 4-10, which is not bad. I began to mention that jumper 6 games ago as he finally started hitting a few. And then he blew up in the BKN game and he's looked very comfortablw with it ever since.
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    Tyreke has looked much better the last few games with Brooks starting next to him. When he has the ball in his hands and is being agressive he is a tough cover. The jumper has been looking a little better as well, not really mechanically, but he is much better when he has his "swagger" going. For some reason i have seen a different Tyreke ever since he started using a mouthgaurd lol. I think Jimmer has looked pretty good all season, I am not ready to discount him yet, he makes such a good fit alongside Tyreke, and Jimmer is a VERY good decision maker, just seems to make the right basketball play when he has the ball. On the other hand Isaiah seems to have lost his confidence without the ball in his hands, i wouldn't be opposed to testing the trade market with him if we can bring in a shooter to stretch the floor.

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    I voted for Brooks in the poll. Not just because he can shoot the 3 but also because hes the best out of all of our point guards at getting into the lane. The Brooks/Tyreke experiment has worked out to be the opposite of what i thought it would be. Im very happy to be wrong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bricklayer View Post
    think it was 4-10, which is not bad. I began to mention that jumper 6 games ago as he finally started hitting a few. And then he blew up in the BKN game and he's looked very comfortablw with it ever since.
    4-10 is great if thats the percentage hes going to maintain. A typical jumpshooter is in the low 40 percentile. Ive also noticed him taking and making a better percentage of mid range jumpers than in the past. A mediocre jumpshot is the only tool Tyreke has been lacking so far in his career. Im glad to see him looking like a dominant player again.

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    Lol. I go to my first game of the year, pony up money to sit near the bench, and as Smart is walking off the court at halftime I yelled at him to not screw up this game like last, don't let the bench loose this game and get Reke's a** back in earlier. I yelled 8 min mark, 8 min mark and Smart just smiled.

    Then, to my absolute amazement, that's exactly when Reke went back in. I'd like to take some credit, but it was most likely Petrie saying something to him after he cost us the game last night.

    Amazing what happens when Smart rides his horses, isn't it? We controlled the entire 2nd half and didn't give up momentum, and that's without Cuz. I'm watching the game on tv right now, but what the hell happened with Cuz? Didn't look like he did anything major and was pretty calm is talking to the ref, at least from where I was sitting.

    My only beef on the night was 3 PG's playing in the 1st half. First Brooks who played pretty well, then Jimmer who simply wasn't that good and struggled with pressure, then instead of bringing Brooks back in and with Reke rotting on the bench Smart figured it's time for IT to get some minutes, and he looked absolutely terrible. Sloppy as hell. Didn't look confident at all.

    But, the 2nd half Smart actually coached like an NBA coach. Good to see. Maybe I should go to more games.

    BTW, how's the Reke's NAPG crowd feeling? We once again looked better with the offense going through him.
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    Its a shame Cuz get thrown out for nothing, that was the most in control and calm (prior to the techs) hes played all year. He was making beautiful passes to JT in particular all game. Even the first tech all he did was knock the ball out to stop a possible and 1 basket happending, it was Kantar instigating it with the excessive bumping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bricklayer View Post
    think it was 4-10, which is not bad. I began to mention that jumper 6 games ago as he finally started hitting a few. And then he blew up in the BKN game and he's looked very comfortablw with it ever since.
    Tyreke doesn't have to be any better than 34-38% on his jumpers to use his penetration game effectively. I've watched Westbrook 5 or 6 times this season and he's exactly who Reke should model his offensive game after. He's by no means a great shooter, but he hits them consistently enough for defenders to have to play him tight. When that happens, it's over as Westbrook is quicker/more athletic than 99% of NBA guards. While Tyreke doesn't have Westbrooks athleticism, he's just as good at getting to the rim and is bigger and stronger than Westbrook could ever be

    Reke has regained his effectiveness because he's making outside shots on a somewhat consistent basis. The paint has all of a sudden opened with the additions of Salmons and Brooks as well as defenders not sagging 10 feet off Reke
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    Need to go back to Reke being the PG and primary ball handler. Nuff said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingsguy881 View Post
    Need to go back to Reke being the PG and primary ball handler. Nuff said.
    I agree with this IF he is agressive and plays with "star swagger" every night. When things go bad is when Tyreke all of a sudden looks passive.

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