Go Back to Outscoring Other Teams

[ppine]

It seemed like at the end of last season the Kings were pushing the ball up the court and scoring at a much higher pace than the rest of the season. They could outscore people. Now they have an average or worse offense and the defense hasn't improved enough to overcome the defencies. The Kings are young and deep.

The Kings have the addition of the 3 decent players in Brooks, Johnson, and Robinson. They are winning less. There is little difference at most positions between the first five and the next seven. Cousins is the exception. What about the idea of returning to a run and gun team with frequent substitutions?" It might translate into a few more victories if they can get their average score up over 100 points.

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Won't work...bad chemistry, bad synergy, clueless coach.

[treach1976]

Lol - it's a fair point. What would happen if the kings did this: Link to Grinnell System
Jimmer & IT would be instant MVP candidates! (some would argue this was Jimmer's game at BYU)

I'm joking of course, but at this point, what do the Kings have to lose? And Smart wouldn't have to feel bad about not playing every player.

[hrdboild]

Here's how the system works:

• The first shot is the best shot, no matter if it's from five feet or 25 feet, preferably 25 feet.

• Take as many 3-pointers as possible.

• Defensively, giving up an uncontested layup is better than forcing a shot-clock violation.

• The ball-handler is double-teamed at all times.

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He needed to make a change, a dramatic one, and thus the Grinnell System – a variation of Paul Westphal's Loyola Marymount scheme, only on steroids – was born.

Well hello old friend!

[Gary]

I have to admit that watching this team getting 10 assists a night while turning it over 15-20 times is not fun to watch.

passing the ball ----> less 1 on 1 ----> less standing around ----> easier shots ----> more assists ----> more points

Smart's teaching players to;

scorers need to score ----> a lot of 1 on 1 ball ----> standing around by the other players ----> less passing ----> less assists ----> less points ----> less offensive rebounds and 2nd opportunities


Smart needs to go.

[tyreeeke]

What do you have to lose at this point? Make losing entertaining to watch.

[Capt. Factorial]

Lol - it's a fair point. What would happen if the kings did this: Link to Grinnell System
Jimmer & IT would be instant MVP candidates! (some would argue this was Jimmer's game at BYU)

I'm joking of course, but at this point, what do the Kings have to lose? And Smart wouldn't have to feel bad about not playing every player.

"Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, dude, at least it's an ethos."

It's a gimmick system, but at least it's a system. If we implemented it such that a guy like Jimmer took 70 uncontested threes a night, shoot, we might be better than 2-8.

[UK_King]

our first play of the night against Brooklyn was a screen to get Tyreke a two pointer with his heels on the line....

If thats the kind of thing we're going to run i would rather see Jimmer throw up as many shots as he wants.

After Jimmer had some success playing, primarily off the ball, or collecting it in the half court, he was practically benched, before being asked to play full on point guard again against Brooklyn.... It doesn't seem to click with this coaching staff does it.

[tyreeeke]

This team can't handle Jimmer being a focal point on offense; their egos, immaturity, and selfishness won't allow it. They all want to get their 'shine on.' It doesn't matter that Jimmer is the best offensive player on this team. A strong leader at coach could solve that.

[UK_King]

Well usually the starting point would be "what are this guys strengths, right, how do we utilise them?"

It seems to be we've said "how do we make it really hard for this guy to have any success?"

And I'm talking about everyone now not Jimmer.

[pshn80]

I don't know about Jimmer but I like the idea of scoring more points than the opposition. Let's try that tonight. I'll be there with bells on.

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Well hello old friend!

It was actually Paul Westhead not Westphal who coached that crazy LMU team with Hank Gathers & Co.(RIP) Westhead's system didn't translate very well in the NBA the last time he coached, with the Magic Johnson Showtime Lakers...to this day, Magic and Westhead still can't stand each other. BUT...his system DID work when he was with Denver, and Chris Jackson(Mahmood) & Michael Adams(former King)...it has everything to do with personnel, not sure how well it would work with Cuz/Tyreke/JT. At this point, I think if we get more than 15 wins this season it would be an accomplishment, with the powers that be in place.

[uolj]

It seemed like at the end of last season the Kings were pushing the ball up the court and scoring at a much higher pace than the rest of the season. They could outscore people. Now they have an average or worse offense and the defense hasn't improved enough to overcome the defencies. The Kings are young and deep.

The Kings have the addition of the 3 decent players in Brooks, Johnson, and Robinson. They are winning less. There is little difference at most positions between the first five and the next seven. Cousins is the exception. What about the idea of returning to a run and gun team with frequent substitutions?" It might translate into a few more victories if they can get their average score up over 100 points.

But run and gun didn't actually lead to wins either.

Maybe it's more fun to watch, but in order to improve the record they have to find a way to get some of both.

[jcwkings]

All our gaurds are much more effective playing run and gun (especially Tyreke), this team is not good enough to win playing half court offense. Also JT and Robinson thrive in an up and down game. I don't know why we aren't running more. At times we play like we are a bunch of 30+ year old vets.

[mac]

All our gaurds are much more effective playing run and gun (especially Tyreke), this team is not good enough to win playing half court offense. Also JT and Robinson thrive in an up and down game. I don't know why we aren't running more. At times we play like we are a bunch of 30+ year old vets.

And you know this because? Have you actually seen us try to run any proper half court offense? The problem is the coach doesn't even know how to draw up a proper half court offense.

[Gilles]

Not only that. but if looked through all Kings possessions so far this season you should see that Reke-Boogie P&R is working much better than whatever junk offense Kings play all the other times. Just watch some tape, Coach!

[rainmaker]

Running and gunning is a bunch of false hope which too many buy into. We wasted so much time doing it that almost a year after Smart was hired we still don't have a half court offense.

If Smart just studied what Westy did with this team, of all people, it'd be an improvement. That's embarrassing.

[Gary]

And you know this because? Have you actually seen us try to run any proper half court offense? The problem is the coach doesn't even know how to draw up a proper half court offense.

When they try to run half court offenses to you actually see it succeed enough to win enough games to make us a "decent" team? As it stands now the team sucks. No matter which lineup or offense we use this team is terrible. Might as well make it entertaining.

[mac]

When they try to run half court offenses to you actually see it succeed enough to win enough games to make us a "decent" team? As it stands now the team sucks. No matter which lineup or offense we use this team is terrible. Might as well make it entertaining.

Well I don't know under Smart, because I haven't seen him run any half court offense. I saw it work decently under Westphal, but that was when we had Beno too. And Omri who could at least hit a corner 3. What I do know is I've seen run and gun under Smart, and it hasn't worked. I also know that if we're ever going to be a playoff team we need to have a good half court offense. So if we're going to lose either way, I'd rather we be preparing some of the guys and teaching them to actually execute in the half court

[pshn80]

Coaches read the thread and it worked. Great theory tested and it worked. Now do it again.