Fire Petrie says Bee's Voisin in Kings troubles rant

[Mass]

Fire Petrie, fire Smart, fire the Maloof, fire Slamson, trade almost all the players. Right now I can't stand this mess, and I don't have any hope things can go better with this personnel. Clean the house and restart from the beginning. Fore the right offer, I'd trade anyone, and I mean anyone on this team, even DMC.

Am I overreacting? Yes, but I'm a fan and I can. I'm really tired of this situation, and the FO doing nothing is just killing me.

[mac]

Fire Petrie, fire Smart, fire the Maloof, fire Slamson, trade almost all the players. Right now I can't stand this mess, and I don't have any hope things can go better with this personnel. Clean the house and restart from the beginning. Fore the right offer, I'd trade anyone, and I mean anyone on this team, even DMC.

Am I overreacting? Yes, but I'm a fan and I can. I'm really tired of this situation, and the FO doing nothing is just killing me.

I think you nailed it right there. It's hard to be 100% sure what's the cause of our problems - it could be the coach, it could be the players, it's certainly the fit of the roster. But hey, every team makes mistakes and isn't always perfect. What's ****ing annoying is that the organisation refuses to do anything about it. Again, WE HAVE NOT SOLVED OUR SF PROBLEM SINCE 2008!!!

[HereWeVivek]

Record from 06/07 to current
27. Charlotte 192/299 39.10%
28. Washington 173/317 35.03%
29. Sacramento 163/329 33.13%
30. Minnesota 143/348 29.12%

WOW, and Minnesota will probably pass us before this season is over

[Kingster]

Why is it riskier to change a GM than a coach midseason? Wouldn't the day-to-day disruption from changing practice routines, plays (assuming there are some), etc be more than than from a trade or two?

It's always risky with the GM. If the new guy comes in, chances are there would be wholesale changes that could include trading Cousins, Tyreke, and everybody else on this team. The new guy isn't going to be hired to make changes around the edges, that's for sure.

[Kingster]

I can't think of a single team who replaced their GM midseason and were better off for it. Any new GM probably doesn't know our team that well, although I'd agree with anyone who'd say Petrie doesn't seem to recognize talent that well anymore either.

But, there's been a few teams who've fired their coach mid season and were better for it, NY being the obvious recent example. Promoting an assistant midseason while not the preferred route, they've at least been around the team every day and know their strengths and weaknesses, as well as their personalities. Promoting English for example, who knows our players personally, has relationships with them and sees them every day in practice, could work through the end of the season if he at the least implements a regular rotation and runs some kind of a freakin offense.

I don't like either option, actually. Firing Petrie or Smart, but I've also felt since Smart was extended the first time that he'd get fired midway through this season and we'd end up paying two coaches at once once again. I've kind of prepared myself for that outcome.

But to me it's less risk promoting an assistant because he knows the players, and English hasn't been here so long he's been polluted by Smart's nonsense. Promoting someone from within our incompetent FO does no good, they've all been there for years and a part of a culture, and anyone coming from the outside probably hasn't paid close attention to our team and our players. I'd worry a new GM comes in, wants to make his mark and pulls off a poor trade at the deadline.

But who knows....

So you are hoping/presuming that English would run a better offense than Smart, when English is currently one of assistant coaches. So then we're to believe that English currently knows this great offense, but either isn't telling Smart about it or Smart isn't going for it when English talks to him. I just don't see it. These assistants must be talking to each other and to Smart and we're seeing the result before our eyes. Choosing English is just changing the Titanic deck chairs.

[SacKings7]

Petrie has lost his immunity as far as I'm concerned. We need some changes. A little effort to show that we're trying to win wouldn't hurt.

[mac]

So you are hoping/presuming that English would run a better offense than Smart, when English is currently one of assistant coaches. So then we're to believe that English currently knows this great offense, but either isn't telling Smart about it or Smart isn't going for it when English talks to him. I just don't see it. These assistants must be talking to each other and to Smart and we're seeing the result before our eyes. Choosing English is just changing the Titanic deck chairs.

Perhaps in the case of English who's never been an NBA head coach this may be so. But it's not necessarily true that assistant coaches will just follow the head coach's system. Look at Mike Woodson with Atlanta for example.

[Kingster]

Perhaps in the case of English who's never been an NBA head coach this may be so. But it's not necessarily true that assistant coaches will just follow the head coach's system. Look at Mike Woodson with Atlanta for example.

So then you're assuming that English know this great offensive system, but doesn't tell Smart about it, or Smart hasn't gone for it after English has already told him about it. Like I said, I'm very doubtful of that.

The new coach, whoever he is, is going to have to go into this situation and tell players the bad news: You can't do a whole lot of what you've been doing. Typically, assistant coaches are mentors and counselors, not the discipline invokers, all the more reason why I don't think taking an assistant from this team can work. You need a veteran head coach with major cred in order to get away with telling players that they can't do stuff that they have been doing and want to continue doing.

[Big Cuz 15]

WOW, and Minnesota will probably pass us before this season is over

compare the owners & head coach

glen taylor = baller willing to spend
maloofs = broke

smart = idiot
adelman = doing the same thing he did here. make wine with vinegar (half his team is decimated with injuries yet he continues to win)

not hard to see where the problem lies. i honestly think if the owners were willing to spend and let the gm do his job, we would have a better team.

[mac]

So then you're assuming that English know this great offensive system, but doesn't tell Smart about it, or Smart hasn't gone for it after English has already told him about it. Like I said, I'm very doubtful of that.

The new coach, whoever he is, is going to have to go into this situation and tell players the bad news: You can't do a whole lot of what you've been doing. Typically, assistant coaches are mentors and counselors, not the discipline invokers, all the more reason why I don't think taking an assistant from this team can work. You need a veteran head coach with major cred in order to get away with telling players that they can't do stuff that they have been doing and want to continue doing.

Well at very least English played on some winning NBA teams. I'm not old enough or bothered to know if he played under good coaches and what have you, but that has to count for something.

In any case, I'm not disagreeing with you - I just don't think we can say for sure that he has or does not have an idea of how to make this team work on the lone premise of him being an assistant coach. Personally I would of course rather that we get a proper coach in here ASAP, but who knows whether that will ever happen. All I know is I'm sick of Keith Smart's "systems", sick of his post-game pressers and his cheap talk that he always goes back on.

[Rug King]

Fire the maloofs.

[swisshh]

Petrie's closest analogy is Joe Dumars in Detroit. GMs living off their window of success that have had some good drafts, but a lot of bad FA signings and trades since.

[LWP777]

Fire Petrie, fire Smart, fire the Maloof, fire Slamson, trade almost all the players. Right now I can't stand this mess, and I don't have any hope things can go better with this personnel. Clean the house and restart from the beginning. Fore the right offer, I'd trade anyone, and I mean anyone on this team, even DMC.

Am I overreacting? Yes, but I'm a fan and I can. I'm really tired of this situation, and the FO doing nothing is just killing me.

I endorse this!

[LWP777]

It's always risky with the GM. If the new guy comes in, chances are there would be wholesale changes that could include trading Cousins, Tyreke, and everybody else on this team. The new guy isn't going to be hired to make changes around the edges, that's for sure.

Yes, but this is what we need!

[mac]

Yes, but this is what we need!

Any time you put yourself in such a scenario where you simply want to blow up everything you're going to be at a disadvantage. Opposing GMs are going to give you crap value for anything you offer them, because they know you're trying to get rid of players. So I'm not quite sure how trading Tyreke and DMC for Kyle Korver and Cole Aldrich is going to help us much.

[Gary]

Quite a few teams are having successful seasons building through the draft and what was once Petrie's strongest attributes, but other teams that built through the draft are passing us left and right and we have a team full of missmatched pieces.

Petrie needs to go. He's clearly not the GM he used to be, and frankly, he's sucked putting this team together.

[Gary]

It's always risky with the GM. If the new guy comes in, chances are there would be wholesale changes that could include trading Cousins, Tyreke, and everybody else on this team. The new guy isn't going to be hired to make changes around the edges, that's for sure.

That's fine with me. It's obvious what we have now doesn't work so why not clean house?

If we kept the players who KNOW THEIR ROLES and don't whine about every little thing and traded the whiners, and the players who don't fit we could get a few good players that could (with the role players we have) make a pretty nice team. Look what GS can do with what they have... We have bigger named players than they do and we can't do a thing with ours.

No player should feel safe... Frankly it wouldn't disappoint me if the only players left after cleaning house were Thornton, Hayes, Thompson, Robinson and maybe a couple others. At least those players know what they are supposed to do and don't complain about every little thing (Thompson has gotten much better in that regard).

We have pieces that could fetch a lot on the market and which would allow us to rebuild faster.

[blackice]

Oh how I wish we could rid ourselves of Petrie, but that won't really do much in my opinion.

[kingsnation]

That's fine with me. It's obvious what we have now doesn't work so why not clean house?

If we kept the players who KNOW THEIR ROLES and don't whine about every little thing and traded the whiners, and the players who don't fit we could get a few good players that could (with the role players we have) make a pretty nice team. Look what GS can do with what they have... We have bigger named players than they do and we can't do a thing with ours.

No player should feel safe... Frankly it wouldn't disappoint me if the only players left after cleaning house were Thornton, Hayes, Thompson, Robinson and maybe a couple others. At least those players know what they are supposed to do and don't complain about every little thing (Thompson has gotten much better in that regard).

We have pieces that could fetch a lot on the market and which would allow us to rebuild faster.

You should include Reke in that as well. Reke's never even had a role to complain about.

[Bricklayer]

You should include Reke in that as well. Reke's never even had a role to complain about.

There is no way, on Earth, that Gary is going to include Reke in it.

Reke done him wrong you see.