Fire Petrie says Bee's Voisin in Kings troubles rant

[Section 101]

I already said I wouldn't want Jerry for GM, but I think your being a little unfair to him. His one full year as head coach, was probably the most injury plagued year in Kings history. Two of his starters, Tisdale and Ainge both played less than 31 games. Only three players on the entire team played in 80 games, and no player played in all 82 games. To the best of my knowledge, he has never been the GM of the Kings. However he was the GM of the Monarchs, and I believe they were pretty successful under his leadership. As for his broadcasting, speak for yourself as to whether he was a failure. I and many others happen to like him. Its called a matter of taste. Just because you might not like eggplant, doesn't mean eggplant is a failure!

Whether you like Reynolds or not, he's hardly the problem with this franchise!

http://www.nba.com/kings/media/2011-...de_staffv3.pdf

JERRY REYNOLDS
Director, Player Personnel
In his 26th season with the Kings organization, Jerry Reynolds serves as the
club's director, player personnel. He was named to the position in July of 1994
after serving two seasons as the team's general manager. Reynolds is responsible
for keeping abreast of both the professional and collegiate talent pools available
to the Kings, while also helping to oversee the club's scouting efforts.

From his job description he's a major problem.

[Circa_1985_Fan]

We REALLY need a fresh start...I do believe Pritchard and McMillan would be great choices. But...in the back of my mind I still believe this is all part of Georgie's plan to pick up the Kings and leave with the low attendance excuse. C'mon Goergie, do you think we're semi-civilized morons who can't sense your possible sabotage??

[bajaden]

The Monarchs won a championship. That's why a Monarch's jersey with Jerry's name on it hangs in the Arena. And I happen to like him as an announcer. He's a pretty funny guy and certainly has some great basketball stories.

I was trying to be subtle, and not overstate my case.

[bajaden]

Technically true. He split the job with Rick Benner in 1994-95. Rick did the business side like contracts and left the basketball player personnel decisions like trades and draft picks up to Jerry. A lot of Jerry's reasons for not really being fired and hanging around to do different jobs is a clue to how most tend to underestimate him. As pointed out, he plays the hick from French Lick card on TV. But he is good enough to have survived three ownership changes while a long list of people haven't.

But perhaps the biggest reason he is still here is that he loves the area. At one point where it looked like his time was short with the Kings, he looked into being Athletic Director at Sac State.

Yeah, your right about that period of time with Brenner, who I had a, not sure how to explain this sort of relationship. Lets just say that in a strange distant way, I had a relationship with Brenner, so I should have remembered about he and Jerry spliting the responsibilities. I agree with you about Jerry loving the area, and I sincerely doubt he would pull up and leave for distant shores. I think thats true of Petrie as well. Maybe to some extent, thats part of the problem. When you get too comfortable you tend to get lax. Your ambition level drops, and along with it, your aggression in your job. You become protective as opposed to proactive.

[bajaden]

http://www.nba.com/kings/media/2011-...de_staffv3.pdf



From his job description he's a major problem.

As I just posted, I had forgotten he split duties with Rick Brenner for a couple of years. That aside, he's hardly a major problem. I don't see a huge problem with our scouting dept or the information they assimilate. Its the person that makes the decisions based on that information thats the problem. As far as I know, Jerry doesn't make trades or decide who the Kings draft. I'm sure he has imput, but we'll never know what his suggestions are. However, having talked to him about earlier days, he was dead set against the Derek Smith trade that sent a first round pick, Mike Woodson and Larry Drew to the Clips for Smith. On that occasion Jerry was right.

[Prince_XY]

I think this thread should be stickied.

This supposedly "rebuilt" team by PETRIE (with all his failed philosophy in basketball) is in horrible shape. I think constant pressure from the fans to get Petrie to resign is needed. We need a better General Manager to run the Kings if we hope for some drastic improvement.

[HereWeVivek]

I think this thread should be stickied.

This supposedly "rebuilt" team by PETRIE (with all his failed philosophy in basketball) is in horrible shape. I think constant pressure from the fans to get Petrie to resign is needed. We need a better General Manager to run the Kings if we hope for some drastic improvement.

its just like my SD chargers. team is hard to watch, GM and Coach both need to be fired

[kpm308]

Well it seems like Voison might have heard something substantial aout the possibility of Petrie being fired. From her article today:

The team's lack of improvement and charisma have left Petrie with few allies among the owners. His contract expires at the end of the season, and if the trend continues, he could be gone within weeks. The Maloofs wholeheartedly endorse Keith Smart and are adamantly opposed to firing another coach.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/02/502...#storylink=cpy

Of course she could have just made it up since she's already called for him to be fired, but putting an actual timeline on it makes it sound like she may have heard some things.

[Glenn]

I'll bet Petrie gets fired soon because he is insisting on firing Smart.

[kingjatt]

I'll bet Petrie gets fired soon because he is insisting on firing Smart.

Petrie's a fool, Doesnt he know that Smarts our coach forever, one of the goofs said so himself.

[rainmaker]

Smart staying and Petrie going does little good.

Either fire them both, which is risky trying to replace a GM mid season, or just fire Smart. I want Smart gone above all else. Our actual games are getting worse. The roster and any changes to it will take time. Bring in a GM and he can't do much to what we're actually witnessing on the court. Quickest way to see some hope is to end this mindless experiment with coach dumbass.

Only way I agree with Petrie going first is if he tries to fire Smart and it's blocked by the Maloofs.

[kingjatt]

Smart staying and Petrie going does little good.

Either fire them both, which is risky trying to replace a GM mid season, or just fire Smart. I want Smart gone above all else.

Only way I agree with Petrie going first is if he tries to fire Smart and it's blocked by the Maloofs.

he could do that, he still gets paid and does a little repairing to his reputation showcasing that the goofs have been calling the shots.

if they both go get ready for Sharieff and Alex English for the rest of the year, two guys with zero experience at their respective positions with a team that has zero productive older veterans and low BB IQ. we might give the Bobcats of last year a run at the worst Winning percentage in history.

[LPKingsFan]

Smart staying and Petrie going does little good.

Either fire them both, which is risky trying to replace a GM mid season, or just fire Smart. I want Smart gone above all else. Our actual games are getting worse. The roster and any changes to it will take time. Bring in a GM and he can't do much to what we're actually witnessing on the court. Quickest way to see some hope is to end this mindless experiment with coach dumbass.

Only way I agree with Petrie going first is if he tries to fire Smart and it's blocked by the Maloofs.

Why is it riskier to change a GM than a coach midseason? Wouldn't the day-to-day disruption from changing practice routines, plays (assuming there are some), etc be more than than from a trade or two?

[rainmaker]

Why is it riskier to change a GM than a coach midseason? Wouldn't the day-to-day disruption from changing practice routines, plays (assuming there are some), etc be more than than from a trade or two?

I can't think of a single team who replaced their GM midseason and were better off for it. Any new GM probably doesn't know our team that well, although I'd agree with anyone who'd say Petrie doesn't seem to recognize talent that well anymore either.

But, there's been a few teams who've fired their coach mid season and were better for it, NY being the obvious recent example. Promoting an assistant midseason while not the preferred route, they've at least been around the team every day and know their strengths and weaknesses, as well as their personalities. Promoting English for example, who knows our players personally, has relationships with them and sees them every day in practice, could work through the end of the season if he at the least implements a regular rotation and runs some kind of a freakin offense.

I don't like either option, actually. Firing Petrie or Smart, but I've also felt since Smart was extended the first time that he'd get fired midway through this season and we'd end up paying two coaches at once once again. I've kind of prepared myself for that outcome.

But to me it's less risk promoting an assistant because he knows the players, and English hasn't been here so long he's been polluted by Smart's nonsense. Promoting someone from within our incompetent FO does no good, they've all been there for years and a part of a culture, and anyone coming from the outside probably hasn't paid close attention to our team and our players. I'd worry a new GM comes in, wants to make his mark and pulls off a poor trade at the deadline.

But who knows....

[John Galt]

At this point the situation is like the old western movie where the lynch mob is outside wanting to hang someone. Folks is it really Petrie you want?

KB

Yes Rotating on a spit.

His results are horrible... it upsets the natural order of the universe for him to smugly sit on his stool in the tunnel with his arms folded, while the crappy team he put together stinks up the floor again and again, game after game after game... no matter who the coach is.

Yes, he is the one I want gone. The logic of his supporters is completely beyond me - he has been a horrible GM on balance ever since the year after he got CWebb, Vlade, and JW. Yes he made a decent move here and there (Christie for Corliss etc) but even a broken watch is right twice a day.

Most GMs in the league are better than Geoff. Just look at the scoreboard.

I cannot stand seeing his complacent a$$ in the tunnel each game.

I would really like to see somebody with more brains and passion handling our cap space the next couple years.

[mac]

I can't think of a single team who replaced their GM midseason and were better off for it. Any new GM probably doesn't know our team that well, although I'd agree with anyone who'd say Petrie doesn't seem to recognize talent that well anymore either.

But, there's been a few teams who've fired their coach mid season and were better for it, NY being the obvious recent example. Promoting an assistant midseason while not the preferred route, they've at least been around the team every day and know their strengths and weaknesses, as well as their personalities. Promoting English for example, who knows our players personally, has relationships with them and sees them every day in practice, could work through the end of the season if he at the least implements a regular rotation and runs some kind of a freakin offense.

I don't like either option, actually. Firing Petrie or Smart, but I've also felt since Smart was extended the first time that he'd get fired midway through this season and we'd end up paying two coaches at once once again. I've kind of prepared myself for that outcome.

But to me it's less risk promoting an assistant because he knows the players, and English hasn't been here so long he's been polluted by Smart's nonsense. Promoting someone from within our incompetent FO does no good, they've all been there for years and a part of a culture, and anyone coming from the outside probably hasn't paid close attention to our team and our players. I'd worry a new GM comes in, wants to make his mark and pulls off a poor trade at the deadline.

But who knows....

Whatever it is I just want a coach who will come out and say right from the beginning "We are going to be a halfcourt team. We will make use of our athleticism and youth to run when we can, but our focus is on running a successful halfcourt offense." Ask any of the best players in the league what is most important in the playoffs and they'll tell you it's defense and execution in the halfcourt. There are only two running teams that have ever been successful in the recent years - the Suns and the Heat. One similarity between those two is they are loaded with wing players who can hit 3s. We have two at very most, maybe three if you include Garcia. The Suns had Nash who excels in such an uptempo offense, while the Heat have the most athletic SG and SF in the league to run out in the open court and finish at the rim. Even then, the Heat often fall back to having Lebron create for others in the halfcourt.

We on the other hand, have a 6'10 center who takes 10 seconds just to cross the halfcourt line on every possession, whether it's because he's busy whining to the refs or slow to get up after getting some contact or just flat out lazy. Our point guards are not anywhere near the caliber of Nash, and our guys overall can't get to or finish at the rim like the more athletic Westbrooks/Durant/Wade/James/ even Chalmers. It makes zero sense, absolutely zero, for us to fashion ourselves as a running team with the current roster. A coach who can't recognise that IMO, is not suitable to be a head coach.

If we wanted to be a running team we should have drafted Rubio or Steph Curry and definitely not Cousins (maybe traded down and gotten George or Hayward)

[jpsls]

Replace everybody right now. Top to bottom. It would be useless to fire only Smart and Petrie. Both have to go. How many consecutive losing seasons is this? This is simply unacceptable.

[swisshh]

I already said I wouldn't want Jerry for GM, but I think your being a little unfair to him. His one full year as head coach, was probably the most injury plagued year in Kings history. Two of his starters, Tisdale and Ainge both played less than 31 games. Only three players on the entire team played in 80 games, and no player played in all 82 games. To the best of my knowledge, he has never been the GM of the Kings. However he was the GM of the Monarchs, and I believe they were pretty successful under his leadership. As for his broadcasting, speak for yourself as to whether he was a failure. I and many others happen to like him. Its called a matter of taste. Just because you might not like eggplant, doesn't mean eggplant is a failure!

Whether you like Reynolds or not, he's hardly the problem with this franchise!

He's not the only problem but he's a part of the problem. He's sort of like the honorary mascot for all the torrid history with the franchise.

By the way, I mentioned the Salmons trade because Jerry talked it up when it happened. He was clueless about the player's decline. His assessment of Rubio is also damning of his evaluation talents. I've never heard him speak basketball and reveal anything more than I expect an average fan to know. Spinning old yarns doesn't make you an expert.

['89 Kings Fan]

Has any General Manager done more damage to their reputation in the NBA?
What I don't understand, is when Adelman left why not take another job? He obliviously at that time could have had another job with more stable owners and looser purse strings. Instead, we had 7 years of:

Record from 06/07 to current
27. Charlotte 192/299 39.10%
28. Washington 173/317 35.03%
29. Sacramento 163/329 33.13%
30. Minnesota 143/348 29.12%

At this point it's worth a shot cleaning house in the front office. To generate some potential trade excitement if nothing else.

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Has any General Manager done more damage to their reputation in the NBA?
What I don't understand, is when Adelman left why not take another job? He obliviously at that time could have had another job with more stable owners and looser purse strings. Instead, we had 7 years of:

Record from 06/07 to current
27. Charlotte 192/299 39.10%
28. Washington 173/317 35.03%
29. Sacramento 163/329 33.13%
30. Minnesota 143/348 29.12%

At this point it's worth a shot cleaning house in the front office. To generate some potential trade excitement if nothing else.

This^^^ & I wonder if English could teach our guys his old coach Doug Moe's 'Motion Offense'?