Truehoop article on Tyreke's season and situation

[Bricklayer]

True, but he was the #1 overall pick, so there was some hype coming from that. Aside from that though, everything else fits. I wonder if Harbaugh can coach basketball?

Better than our coaches? I would hope so.

[Bricklayer]

Here's a stat for you:

Keith Smart record with Reke at PG: 8-14 .364
Record since Smart took Reke off ball: 14-31 .311


That sure did fix things, jackass.

[sactownfan]

Rondo is an All-Star and he still can't shoot. To blame Tyreke's lack of success on his inability to develop a consistent jump shot is to be just as uncreative as the King's front office has been in developing his talent. From day 1 this guy was top 5 in the league in getting to the basket. What did we do? We told him to focus on his shooting, play off the ball, and set up a bunch of terrible outside shooters for open jumpshots they can't hit anyway. Basically we were sitting on a huge asset that every team in the league would covet and our reaction was to tell him to get back to work and come back when he's Lebron James. But he's not Lebron James.

The jumpshot is not the be-all end-all of basketball offense. Shaq flat-out dominated the entire league for 10 years and he couldn't hit a jumpshot outside of 8 feet his entire career. I've been watching this team a long time and it seems to me that every time we bring in a player with some potential to get the ball inside and score consistently we try to remake them as an outside shooter instead. For example, has anyone else noticed that DeMarcus keeps moving further and further away from the basket? Is it all that surprising that his overall shooting percentages continue to go down? A few years ago with Tyreke, Casspi, Dalembert, Cousins, and Whiteside we were promised a tough hard-nosed team which is going to attack the basket relentlessly and seal up the paint at the other end. Instead we have yet another group of streaky jumpshooters.

I'm not saying that Tyreke is without fault, but other teams have found ways to get high level production out of players who aren't consistent outside shooters. Maybe it would be a good idea to try out a coach who wasn't a scoring guard as a player? Just a thought.

Rodo and Evans are nothing alike... Evans is a SG who cant shoot or a SF. Rondo is a TRUE PG.... Rondo is a quarterback that sets up and runs the offense with perfect passes and drives that create for others most of the time. if he doesn't have the shot.... Evans is hardly that type of true PG.

[The_Jamal]

Here's a stat for you:

Keith Smart record with Reke at PG: 8-14 .364
Record since Smart took Reke off ball: 14-31 .311


That sure did fix things, jackass.

The award for improperly using a stat to make it fit your opinion goes to....

[Bricklayer]

The award for improperly using a stat to make it fit your opinion goes to....

oh bull hookie. Would you like me to include Home/Road/relative schedule strengths to make it look worse? The fact that Hayes, Thronton and Cousins all missed time during the short first stretch?

We have complete chaos now. The coach created the complete chaos by being an idiot. The GM has aided and abetted the idiocy by giving him the tools to be an idiot. It has solved nothing and given us a whole host of new problems. The numbers get worse when you consider that DeMarcus Cousins has been coming into his own over that second period too.

Whatever the limitations of the Cousins/Reke/MT trifecta, we at least knew what we were then, who were our guys, what we were trying to accomplish, and how we would win if it came together.

[DesertFox]

The nice thing about starting Jimmer, if he has in fact regained the ability to shoot like he did in college, is he can let Reke handle the ball. Between Reke and JJ, on D the team can hide him on the weakest player. Maybe even start Salmons at SF and have IT/MT/JJ come off the bench. Both lineups have ballhandling and only one below avg shooter.

That takes Brooks minutes, but then he's just an expiring deal and veteran insurance at PG.

[Section 101]

oh bull hookie. Would you like me to include Home/Road/relative schedule strengths to make it look worse? The fact that Hayes, Thronton and Cousins all missed time during the short first stretch?

We have complete chaos now. The coach created the complete chaos by being an idiot. The GM has aided and abetted the idiocy by giving him the tools to be an idiot. It has solved nothing and given us a whole host of new problems. The numbers get worse when you consider that DeMarcus Cousins has been coming into his own over that second period too.

Whatever the limitations of the Cousins/Reke/MT trifecta, we at least knew what we were then, who were our guys, what we were trying to accomplish, and how we would win if it came together.

If the record was closer to a .500 then you would have a valid point. If you want a team that wins 36% of it's games than Evans is your PG.

[blackice]

I'm thinking we should make a trade for Jeff Teague. That guy has gotten better every year and is super quick, plays defense and is hella athletic. We then should put together a package consisting of Tyreke and one of IT/Brooks/Jimmer for a Danny Granger/Rudy Gay/Paul George

[The_Jamal]

oh bull hookie. Would you like me to include Home/Road/relative schedule strengths to make it look worse? The fact that Hayes, Thronton and Cousins all missed time during the short first stretch?

We have complete chaos now. The coach created the complete chaos by being an idiot. The GM has aided and abetted the idiocy by giving him the tools to be an idiot. It has solved nothing and given us a whole host of new problems. The numbers get worse when you consider that DeMarcus Cousins has been coming into his own over that second period too.

Whatever the limitations of the Cousins/Reke/MT trifecta, we at least knew what we were then, who were our guys, what we were trying to accomplish, and how we would win if it came together.

Actually I would love you to include all of those things, as well as offensive/defensive team stats with Reke at PG to compare with what we have now. Then, your opinion would have some actually validity to it. You can't just use team record as support for saying Reke should be our PG. That is the definition of "bull hookie"

[Spike]

Actually I would love you to include all of those things, as well as offensive/defensive team stats with Reke at PG to compare with what we have now. Then, your opinion would have some actually validity to it. You can't just use team record as support for saying Reke should be our PG. That is the definition of "bull hookie"

Weren't you here last year? We pretty much made this argument all of last year and included all of the stats you're asking for. Most noticeable was who we beat, and how. We didn't squeak by some sucky GS and Detroit teams like this year. It actually gave some promise. Was it perfect? No, because we didn't win all of them, but it was a blueprint that should have been followed through this year.
If anything, it's maddening to go through what Smart said each and every week about the progress and things he's trying to build, only to see him to a complete 180. But then again, when the coach says you basically shouldn't listen to anything that comes out of his mouth, then I guess you shouldn't be surprised.

[SacTownKid]

Just get it over with and bring some shooters in via trade. Of course, I fully expect to see a non-shooting ball handling SF coming back in a trade right now. Does John Salmons have a twin brother?

[swisshh]

Please tell me we aren't getting back into the Tyreke at PG nonsense.

[hrdboild]

Rodo and Evans are nothing alike... Evans is a SG who cant shoot or a SF. Rondo is a TRUE PG.... Rondo is a quarterback that sets up and runs the offense with perfect passes and drives that create for others most of the time. if he doesn't have the shot.... Evans is hardly that type of true PG.

Oh god, here we go again with the titles. Rondo=PG, Tyreke=Not PG, therefore Tyreke=Not Rondo. Can we extend beyond elementary logic for once?

I don't care what you call them. Make up a position -- ball handling point forward or something. Rondo is one of my favorite players, I'm well aware of how he plays and I don't think Evans, or pretty much anyone else, is capable of duplicating his talents. But Rondo is playing within an offensive structure. When he drives he knows where his teammates are going to be, and where they're going to cut to next. Even though the defense plays off him daring him to shoot, he gets to where he wants to be on the floor and that allows him to create scoring opportunities for other people. Which goes to show, it's not impossible to gameplan around a playmaker who isn't a shooter. We used to do this with Evans and it was working. He's not going to average double digit assists like Rondo in any system, but I don't think Rondo could give you 20 points per game either. The point is that the system matters. Rondo's team has one, the Kings do not and as a result everybody is under performing. With or without jumpshot, Tyreke is still a pretty good basketball player.

[JoMama]

Not really. He doesn't have good court vision, and he doesn't have a midrange game or a jumpshot. So when he attacks and the lane closes off it often leads to turnovers or junk shots.

I think he isn't as aggressive because defenses adjusted to him years ago and he hasn't grown his game enough to counter it. He also isn't good at recognizing when the opportunity is there or not there.

Couldn't agree more. One of the best Tyreke analysis of all-time. I'll drink to that!

[Padrino]

Couldn't agree more. One of the best Tyreke analysis of all-time. I'll drink to that!

you mean "best analysis of tyreke's limitations of all time." swisshh's "analysis" could hardly be considered holistic...

[Bricklayer]

Indeed those NBA defenses react quick man. I mean less than a year ago in Reke's first 22 games under Smart, while playing PG, he averaged 18.3pts 5.6reb 5.9ast.

But yeah, now all of a sudden they've got him all figured out. Been about what? 40 games of NBA action since then?

[tyreeeke]

The nice thing about starting Jimmer, if he has in fact regained the ability to shoot like he did in college, is he can let Reke handle the ball. Between Reke and JJ, on D the team can hide him on the weakest player. Maybe even start Salmons at SF and have IT/MT/JJ come off the bench. Both lineups have ballhandling and only one below avg shooter.

That takes Brooks minutes, but then he's just an expiring deal and veteran insurance at PG.

What's with people thinking Jimmer ever lost his shot? lol. He shot over 38% from 3 last year, his shot is there. His shooting this year has been through the roof. You don't just lose such a pure shot such as his. It was his shot SELECTION that was lacking, which is normal for a rookie.

[sdballer]

What's with people thinking Jimmer ever lost his shot? lol. He shot over 38% from 3 last year, his shot is there. His shooting this year has been through the roof. You don't just lose such a pure shot such as his. It was his shot SELECTION that was lacking, which is normal for a rookie.

It was actually 38% overall from the floor which is awful for a shooter, 36% from 3. Some advice for you, he's showing some signs of life this year which is great for the team and the jimmer fans. But trying to pretend like he wasn't really inefective last year or doesn't still have some big holes diminishes your argument.

Let's be excited that the shooting skills have looked good and some of the playmaker skills have really improved without pretending he has shown something his whole nba career of 1+ years.

[tyreeeke]

It was actually 38% overall from the floor which is awful for a shooter, 36% from 3. Some advice for you, he's showing some signs of life this year which is great for the team and the jimmer fans. But trying to pretend like he wasn't really inefective last year or doesn't still have some big holes diminishes your argument.

Let's be excited that the shooting skills have looked good and some of the playmaker skills have really improved without pretending he has shown something his whole nba career of 1+ years.

36%, my bad. 36% is still a good 3 point percentage, what are you talking about?

[sdballer]

36%, my bad. 36% is still a good 3 point percentage, what are you talking about?

I'm talking about your great shooter example from last year shooting 38% from the floor, almost dead last on a team of crappy shooters. Yes, 36% is decent 3 point shooting, probably around 100th or so in the league. These are not great examples to show how even last year, he was an amazing shooter.

Honestly, what are you talking about? You do realize its possible to appreciate and be excited about what he is starting to do in a limited minutes this year while also admitting last year that he was really not good, don't you?