View Poll Results: Who was the Kings Minister of Defense this trip?

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  • James Johnson

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  • Tyreke Evans

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  • Chuck Hayes

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  • DeMarcus Cousins

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    IT apparently stood for Incredibly Terrible tonight
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    I know this is going to sound insane, but Bill Walton is about 500million times more tolerable when you're a beating the defending champions by 20.

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    If Boogie played 25% better the past 3 games we would have gone home 3-0. The team is clicking way better on defense this season. No easy picks n rolls for any opponent and we're hammering them hard down low especially with Reke's superb help defense on all of his teammates.

    I'm proud of this team's improvement defense. But we have to get wins sooner before some players starts to question Smart's focus on defense, which is actually really showing in the last 3 games.

    And Hayes should be starting and JT to the bench as the back-up C. With Reke and JJ doing all scrappy weakside blocks, we should worry less on Chuck being shorter than most PF. Chuck his high IQ and rarely allows his opponent to take advantage of his height.

    A for TRob, btw.
    A for Chuck on the D.
    And F for the worst shooting percentage of this team.

    With George Hill posting any of our PGs, Smart should have gone with Reke/MT/JJ backcourt and bagged that game home. OT is about defense and domination, that's where you'll put Reke at PG, just my opinion.

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    I missed this game ... had a wedding rehearsal dinner. DVR somehow didn't record it. Verizon DVR is terrible.

    I'll catch it on LP broadband archive ... but it looks (and sounds) like we played better tonight? Looking at the box score, the shooting is still way off the mark. We have got to be more efficient.
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    Missed this game as well, but it sounds like a lot of the same problems. Defensive improvement, but inefficient offense as well. Poor shooting from the team's main three scorers and no reliable three point shooting. Cousins playing below par to start the season.

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    Defense best in many, many years. Major progress. Cuz still pushing too much at times missing shots at bad times (like in 2nd OT). A learning process that takes time. His best game overall. Pieces coming together but it will take quite a bunch of games for Smart to figure out just what assets he has for various situations. Kings had multiple opps to beat a 52 win team on their home court and took them to 2 OTs. They'll get there. Tonight was step 3.
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    Fun stat of the night: Chuck Hayes somehow wound up with 3 blocks.

    Not-so-fun-stat of the night: We were outrebounded by 20 boards. T-Rob had 0 in 12 mins of play.
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    I know this is going to sound insane, but Bill Walton is about 500million times more tolerable when you're a beating the defending champions by 20.

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    The defense for large stretches looked REALLY good. Indiana had a hard time getting a shot off quite on quite a few occasions. Tyreke was everywhere on defense. Hayes might as well have put handcuffs on david west. Thornton made some big shots as usual. If the team brings this defense to every game then theres no need to worry. As soon as Cousins goes back into beast mode the kings will win more games than they lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reke 13 Havoc View Post
    if he doesn't figure this out from the past 3 games ill lose all hope
    lmao are you clinically depressed or is that the alcohol talking?

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    Yeah, I thought there were a number of positives tonight. Defense was very solid most of the game. Sub patterns were improved. Saw the Reke/Cuz two man game a bit more, although that needs to increase. MT arguably had one of the top 5 games of his career thus far, especially taking into account boards and assists. We got impressive defensive stops both at the end of regulation and the first OT.

    Only thing I really question is Brooks' role. I liked how IT/Reke played off each other and Reke handled the ball a decent amount. Brooks pounded the hell out of the rock and was pretty poor at setting up the offense, and hurt us defensively, although everyone elses defense did a pretty decent job covering up for him. Biggest thing which you hit on is we ran out of steam.

    Big question is does Smart learn from the positives, because they were there for all to see. I'd rather have the problem of fixing our offense while watching the improved defense we saw tonight and at Chi, than the reverse.
    Holy crap. I agree with all of this.

    IT is better than Brooks at everything outside of pure scoring. He's also much more willing to play off-the-ball the Brooks and is a better spot-up shooter. Brooks can be incredibly valuable, but he needs to be used 15-20 minutes a night; not 30+.

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    Haven't watched the game (been at work), but how does a team touted as having so many offensive weapons only muster 98 pts in a double ot game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcwkings View Post
    Haven't watched the game (been at work), but how does a team touted as having so many offensive weapons only muster 98 pts in a double ot game?
    Good point, but truth is Indiana played as good defense tonight as Kings - actually a bit better since they won.
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    Very disappointing start to the season. We really needed to gin up fan enthusiasm this year. So far this isn't the way to do it.... makes it that much easier for the team to get moved out of town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainmaker View Post
    Lol. Maybe Grant and Jerry going crazy over Chuck is why 5 people so far think he was the best defender on this trip. Game maybe, but trip? No way.
    Then who?

    Was I watching the Grant/Jerry broadcast? Yes. Was I screaming at the TV to the point that I didn't hear a dang word they were saying anyway? Yes to that, too.

    Just re-watch the last five minutes of regulation, and both OT periods, and try to make an argument that Hayes hasn't been the defensive anchor for this team. I'd say you can credit his man-to-man defense on West as the primary reason we even got to OT1 and to OT2, and he had a couple of big team D plays on top of that. Other guys have played good D as well. I'd start with Tyreke and JJ on that list. But Hayes' calling card is defense, and when he's on the floor the defensive intensity for the team seems to go up. Best defender of the road trip? Yeah. I give it to him, and I don't really hesitate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kings Faithful View Post
    Very disappointing start to the season. We really needed to gin up fan enthusiasm this year. So far this isn't the way to do it.... makes it that much easier for the team to get moved out of town.
    It is disappointing to lose three staight road games to start season no matter what excuses, no matter that Kings D appears to be better. Bottom line is if this team can't now crank it up and win starting with Golden State next up (already near sell out) plus at least protect home court in a big way - this could well be a debacle brewing and a final one that wisks them away for good.
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    Wow even the Hornets are better than us now. They beat Chicago eith anthony Davis and Eric Gordon both out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reke 13 Havoc View Post
    Wow even the Hornets are better than us now. They beat Chicago eith anthony Davis and Eric Gordon both out.
    Are you off your pills or something?
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    I know this is going to sound insane, but Bill Walton is about 500million times more tolerable when you're a beating the defending champions by 20.

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    Also, Grant certainly does like to emphasize the clutch abilities of Thornton.. Thornton was certainly clutch tonight, as he has been on previous occasions, which means we'll hear more about it in the coming games

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    While our defense has improved, I think a weak area that has gone unnoticed is our defensive rebounding. I don't have the stats to back it up but it looks to me like we're giving up way too many offensive rebounds to the other team. Our defense has been great in creating turnovers, but not so in keeping them to one possession with a bad shot. Couple that with an offense that likes to start breaking out and you can see why 2nd chance points are hurting us a lot.

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    Robinson played better and looked like a decent part of rotation. Fouls are a problem and most likely will be the rest of his rookie season, but overall he was solid on D. Cousins needs a lot of patience and decision-making. He can't finish against the wall of 2 or 3 guys due to the lack of hops and need to swing the ball out. Johnson is given all the space possible when he's on the perimeter, either don't give him the ball there at all or he has to gather, set his feet and try to shoot. He only needs 3 consistent perimeter shots: 3 from the top of the arc and both corners. The moment Cous or Tyreke goes inside, guys must start moving. If they want to watch the game, charge them for front row tickets. Defensive rebounding is a big problem. Kings go small, that's part of the problem, the second part is Kings are finally defending and when opposing player releases the ball towards the basket they relax for a bit from defensive efforts and think the job is done when in fact they need to find someone to give a cold shoulder right at that moment.

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    Finally sitting down to watch the game, and Evans had about 5 outstanding defensive plays in the last 5 minutes of the 1st quarter. I can't imagine many players have been playing better defense then him through this first week of games. Wow. His offense hasn't totally been there yet, but I hope he isn't discouraged with how he has played so far. I'm impressed and happy with what I've seen overall.
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