Then why are we playing him with IT as opposed to Jimmer?Originally Posted by Reke 13 Havoc
Marcus Thornton
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Then why are we playing him with IT as opposed to Jimmer?
And how exactly would we go about doing this. Unless we somehow convince David Stern to let us start 6 players as opposed to 5, I don't see any room for him in the starting line-up as opposed to who we currently have in there.
It's the offense thats hurting MT not the other players, when you've got the ball and look up and there's ZERO movement and everyone is just staring at you, what are you supposed to do?
Pass it to the guy next to you and rinse repeat.
Sorry but that isn't going to get it done.
I don't agree IT was "looking for his shot too much" last night, Ok the shots he took didn't fall, but at least 3 of his shots were right at the end of the shot clock, two were wide open threes and he had a driving layup blocked at the end of a quarter. Not sure what else he can do in these situations except pass up open looks and let the shot clock run out.
Even though Cisco had a "great" night, he took some awful shots that were basically turn overs, you do that a couple of times in a row and it's a 4 point swing. Games are about momentum at the end of the day.
And cuz definitely took a shot at Mayo IMO, looked at it a few times and it looks intentional to me. Lets hope the league isn't looking because a shot to the groin could easily be another suspension.
EDIT:
Here's the video of the Cuz incident with Mayo for those who haven't seen it.
Last edited by UK_King; 12-11-2012 at 06:26 AM. Reason: To add the Cuz Video.
Pffft -- barely even rates a 1 on the Reggie Evans cheapshot scale.
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Wow that was sneaky.
Not that I agree with what he did at all, but Mayo looks like he was being a pest there.
The Bungles were in full effect yesterday, just like they were in San Diego with all those turnovers. They got away with it against the Chargers though but they always do this as you know. Get our hopes up, thinking they may make a run and then they lose at home against a Dallas team that is not that good to be honest. I am glad we play on Thursday night because we need to take care of business against Philly, but then again...the Bengals history against rookie QBs isn't always in their favor.
We all know this kind of thing goes on in the paint 50 times a game, but this is cuz we're talking about.
Don't doubt the league takes a dim view of that "punch"
while i am in absolute agreement with you regarding keith smart's penchant for poorly exploiting his matchups, or allowing himself to be exploited by the matchups, i still think you're crazy to insist that running is the only way this team will win. a team must play consistent defense to win consistently in this league, but again, running is supplemental to anything worthwhile that a team accomplishes, offensively speaking. the nba is, among many things, a game of attrition. in an 82-game season, who can play at a high level across the longest stretches, in the most important moments? who can create full-proof gameplans for every scenario? who can scout the opposition from top-to-bottom? who can coach their way out of a corner?
now, against the mavs last night, the kings biggest problem was simple: they could not stop their opponent from scoring. they made a little run in the second half, but, even with the momentum swinging in their direction, they allowed the mavs to squash it with superior execution. however, had the kings been able to stop the mavs more consistently, they still would not have had the advantage they enjoyed in their previous outings. against portland: 14 steals. against orlando: 11 steals. against the mavericks: 4 steals. there are gonna be games, particularly on road trips, back-to-backs, four-games-in-five-nights, etc., where a young team like the kings won't bring their best defensive effort, or simply won't be able to force turnovers against a disciplined veteran squad. in those games, there must be an out, there must be a path to victory...
in other words, there must be a disciplined gameplan--on both sides of the floor--that asks something more of its team than simply running up and down the court, because good teams, veteran teams seek to take that ability away. it is, in fact, the very first principle of winning basketball: limit an opponent's easy baskets by protecting the ball, keeping one's turnovers to a minimum, and hustling back in transition defense...
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I really don't understand what you're talking about. Please clarify the jargon.
If you want a cheap shot, THIS is a cheap shot:
jargon? where? basketball, like any professional sport, is a game of discipline. if you want a team to grow in a worthwhile and disciplined fashion, then encouraging impatience is not how you do it. fast break opportunities present themselves naturally in this league, and i would encourage the kings to take advantage of those opportunities, but the modern nba is also incredibly athletic. the worst nba defenses (kings included) still manage to get back in transition the majority of the time. that said, pushing the ball recklessly has so far only augmented this team's offensive inefficiency, because a young team is often an impatient team, and a lack of patience does not equate to a lack of intelligence. it equates to a lack of discipline. but if pushing the ball were made supplemental to a strong halfcourt discipline in which the kings' coaching staff held its players accountable for their mistakes, then you'd also see more success in the open court...
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Because jimmer sucks
Take out Brooks. Tyreke needs to be playing PG anyway.
I love these adjectives. Now let's add "reckless" to the list. So we won't have them be reckless, or jack up shots, throw up shots, or toss up shots. We'll have them be prudent and use wise judgement, even with a modicum of BB IQ. And we will play defense and run the ball up the court on turnovers and missed shots. Forget half court discipline for this young team. You're dreaming. You're a teacher teaching calculus to an arithmetic class. How 'bout if they learn their multiplication tables before we go forward with the differential calculus.
Had a foundation been built last year, you'd see the benefits this year. Running, for the sake of running, accomplishes nothing. It's middle school at it's worst. Padrino is absolutely right. A team this young, and structured with these sorts of players, is absolutely crying out for discipline. Give us a pattern, we'll follow it. If team B does this, then I do this. Asking a team to run won't get them to play the halfcourt any better. They won't pick it up by osmosis. Considerable time needs to be spent implementing a consistent disciplined offense.
But hey, scoring points is cool, too. Just like last year.
I appreciate a good math pun - as long as it isn't too graphic.
you're a strange one. ever play organized basketball before? i did. fifteen years ago in junior high, where i ran the pick and roll as a point guard. to this day, i can still execute a pick and roll in the rec leagues i join every now and again. it never left me. it never will. that said, i have absolutely no idea where you get the notion that basic, fundamental play-calling that encourages discipline in the halfcourt amounts to the basketball equivalent of "differential calculus." you're the worst kind of armchair coach: condescending to the abilities of kids who've been playing basketball their whole lives...
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No. If Thornton can't adapt to fit our current needs, then we find a way to move him for someone who will. The idea that a player just can't play if he has to come off the bench is without merit IMHO. If he wants to contribute badly enough, he'll find a way. One reason defenses key on Thornton is because they're aware he suffers from Seagull Syndrome. They don't give respect to anyone else on the court with him for the simple reason they know he won't be passing them the ball anyway.
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Interesting that you mention Thornton not getting the ball as much, and possibly that being part of the reason for his slump. And then later you sort of answer your own question by saying Thornton is missing shots and not doing much else when on the floor. I sort of think that sums up the entire problem with Thornton. When your teammates pass you the ball, and your not effective with it, and, they're not likely to get the ball back once they pass it to you, they stop passing it to you. Thornton has become a black hole on offense. The majority of times he gets the ball, you can just about bet your house he's going to shoot it. On the rare occasion, like last night, he does try and pass the ball, it ends up being a turnover.
I don't have a problem with him shooting the ball if he has an open shot, but unfortunately, most of his shots are defended well, thus his poor shooting percentage.
Its hard to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn't work hard.
I sat in a bar sharing beers with Jerry Reynolds one night many moons ago. He told me how he was sitting in the stands watching the Kings practice, when Derrick Smith came over and sat down next to him. Smith told Jerry, that he wasn't shooting the ball well, and that he needed his teammates to do more to get him open. Jerry said, I told him we traded two starters and a first round draft pick for you. Get yourself open!
If your being paid big bucks to be the man, then be the man. Or, just maybe your not as good as everyone thought you were. In his last 12 games, he's shot the ball well in only two, if you count last nights game where he went 3 for 6. Both those games had one thing in common. We were far behind in both. The other game was the Clipper game. In other words, he's hitting shots when they don't matter. Look, I like Thornton, but right now he's not helpinig us. I'm not sure whats wrong with him, but something is, and he needs to put it behind him if he wants to help this team.
Its hard to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn't work hard.
The way Cisco has been playing, maybe inserting him into the bench squad would be wise. Of course he is short but he is a good off the ball shot blocker and obviously his years in the league have taught him a lot. He might help tie that bench group into a cohesive unit if only by being another shooter. Of course the obvious solution is to quit having 5 starters and 5 bench players and playing them as units. There should always be at least one starter on the floor. Not sure why that's so difficult but this "five man unit" thing has been a Smart plan since he took over the team a year ago.
Not sure where the JJ experiment is going. I can see why trading him for our second round pick seemed like a good deal to the other team. He seems a lot like TRob in that he is a decent athlete with very low BB IQ. If we choose these kind of guys, we have to be ready to mold them into NBA players.
Thornton isn't the only problem but his year has been shockingly bad. I lay some of this on the odd collection of guards we have.
Pick Steven Adams at #7.
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