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Isaiah Thomas - NBA's 7th Best Rookie (ROY Voting)

UK_King — Tue, 15 May 2012 15:07:28 GMT

As expected Kyrie Irving won the award.

Our own Rookie finishing well down the voting charts.

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/05/15/r...-year-release/

List above if anyone is interested!

Mods feel free to move the post if you'd rather it not be in the main section :)

How good can Isaiah Thomas be in his 3rd season?

K F Jay — Tue, 15 May 2012 06:55:42 GMT

How good can Isaiah Thomas be in his 3rd season?

Maloofs send ex-FBI agent to snoop on local businesses

Hoovtrain — Tue, 15 May 2012 01:59:44 GMT

Havent seen this posted anywhere. My apologies if it has.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...medium=twitter

Whose gonna be the next Hawes?

jcwkings — Sun, 13 May 2012 01:43:54 GMT

Our lack of coaching over the last half decade leads to players never developing. Hawes has an actual coach and is now starting to show his worth. He could be a Vlade type player, could be the best big man passer in the league before too long. Who else do you guys see us giving up on, only to become real pro's under a new coach? I think Tyreke is close, JT will be a Nick Collison glue guy for a contender if we don't resign him. Jimmer will either get traded, or play out his rookie contract and become a key part of a contender. If all of this happens Cousins will walk, we desperately need a REAL Coach here. Someone with winning experience, that will not let young players walk over him.

New contributors - Please Read

JGar — Fri, 11 May 2012 17:24:16 GMT

I think the system that is supposed to add new contributors to a special group (giving you a little badge under your name and a few other little perks) is broken.

If you've become a contributing member in the past month or so and you don't see the little "Contributor" badge under your username, PLEASE send me a PM or email and include your forum username and email or username used to make the contribution and I'll get this fixed right away.

I'll leave this post stickied until the problem is fixed so if you contribute in the future please send me a PM right after to let me know so I can match up your contribution with your username and make sure you get upgraded.

Thanks!!!

Boogie By the Numbers -- A Statistical Breakdown of DeMarcus Cousins

Bricklayer — Fri, 11 May 2012 11:23:11 GMT

This has been under construction for a week, uses a lot of graphical aids which only fit 4 per post according to our software settings, and so is probably going to end up being as much power point presentation worthy of getting a job with the Maloofs as normal post.

You see a lot of ignorance out there about DeMarcus Cousins and his game. I'm not talking about Tyreke Evans type issues where its just a question of not properly valuing a player/skillset, in Boogie's case I mean flat out IGNORANCE, as in people, especially non-Kings fans, not even knowing what makes up Boogie's game. Through the auspices of hoopdata.com and their nifty shot tracking statistics I'm aiming to shed a little light on the topic, so next time one of your non-Kings fans friends says something stupid about Boogie, or next time you see something stupid said about him around the net, you will be able to jump right in and say "nuh uh", and have the numbers to back it up.

Part I -- Boogie At The Rim

At The Rim -- A late surge saw DeMarcus pass up Griffith and Monroe and Reke to lead the league in shots at the rim this season (per 40 minutes he was 2nd to Pekovic). So next time some ignoramus takes a look at Cousins shooting % and tries to claim the reason the percentages are low at this stage is because he settles for jumpshots, just slap them. Hard. Nobody in the entire league gets on the rim more than Boogie does. You will note Reke there at #5, and 1st amongst all guards -- together we have the #1 rim attacking duo in the entire league, well ahead of the HOF Wade/LeBron duo in Miami. You may also note the low assisted shots percentage for our two guys -- basically lower than any other non-PGs. Our guys do the work themselves, they aren't being spoonfed.

At The Rim FG% -- Now of course here is the flipside of Boogie's At The Rim dominance: I sorted the table above by major minutes centers, and Boogie is right down at the bottom in FG% on those shots at the rim. He's got some pretty good company amongst other below the rim finesse type centers like Noah, Hibbert and Kaman, but with him throwing up so many shots at point blank range, its the single biggest factor in his FG% not being better than it is. If Boogie did no more than hit the league average for centers at the rim (65.1% -- you can see it at the top of the table) he would have scored 39 more FGs this season and raised his FG% to 48.8%.

Blocked -- now of course it is tempting to blame a nice chunk of that relatively low interior FG% on Boogie gettign his shots blocked, and as you can see above, Cousins led the entire NBA in getting his shot blocked this year (you can also note Reke on that list -- go inside a lot wihtout hops, blocked shots will ensue). BUT when you look at the next column over, blocks as a percentage of shots (presumably all shots, not just interior shots) you can see that Boogie's percentage, while still high, is not out of line and nowhere near the top. He in fact gets about the same percentage of his shots blocked as does Nene (Reke drops entirely off the list if you look at percentage blocked). Its just that Boogie takes so MANY shots in there, that there is a lot more opportunity for them to be blocked.

Offensive Rebounding -- another potential explanation of Boogie's At Rim numbers is of course his offensive rebounding -- and Boogie of course doesn't do anything partway, its all either best in the league or worst, and offensive rebounding is something that he led the league in (I left Varejao on the list, but he did not have enough games to qualify otherwise). This also BTW helps explain the low assist numbers on his at rim opportunities, since the scores he gets from his dominant offensive rebounding work are of course all non-assisted. For those who prefer their stats "advanced", you can see the rebounding rates there will tell you...well pretty much exactly what the non-advanced stats will tell you. Even if you count the guys who did not play enough games (Varejao, Camby's half season in Houston etc.) Boogie is 4th in Offensive Rebounding Rate, 7th in Defnsive Rebounding Rate, adn 4th in overall Rebouding Rate (*rebouding rates take into account minutes and pace). In other words, Boogie can rebound with anybody.

P.S. Also note the column circled on the right for the perils of mushing stats together to get an "advanced" efficicency stat: our own DeMarcus Cousins ranked #4 in the entire league in Defensive Efficiency this year. He must be First Team All Defense right? Er...not so much. "Defensive Efficiency" just adds up steals, blocks, and charges taken. All good things to do, and Boogie has great hands and led the league in charges taken. He did not however lead the league in defensive effectiveness. But hey, "defensive efficiency" sounds very impressive to those who don't know the formula, so be sure to drop it onto a Lakers fan touting Bynum sometime.

Grant Napear disapproval thread

VF21 — Fri, 11 May 2012 01:05:43 GMT

I have no doubt that Dave will land on his feet. Sacramento has not seen the last of Carmichael Dave. Shame on CBS Radio and whomever else (code for Maloofs) who pulled strings or whatever to get him taken off the air. Kudos to Sam Amick for taking Howdy Doody to task for his ridiculous drivel.

NOTE: I left the Dave appreciation stuff in the original thread and created this Grant Disapproval thread. - VF21

2011-2012 Season Review: Tyreke Evans from Cowbell Kingdom

vikinginferno — Thu, 10 May 2012 06:28:10 GMT

"Two summers ago, the Kings were touting Tyreke Evans as the franchise savior. After a season of injury followed by a season of reality, Evans� future as a King seems murky and uncertain. Keith Smart made a bold move when he shifted Evans from point guard to small forward. Really, there was very little he could do but make the change. The results were mixed as expected, but Evans has a laundry list of items to work on regardless of what position he plays. After three seasons, it�s a make or break time for one of the team�s cornerstone..."

http://www.cowbellkingdom.com/2012/0...ns/#more-12463

I agree with everything written in the article and it basically compiles everything I have been trying to say over the last few months.

Analysis of Fredette's rookie season by Ian Levy:

bajaden — Thu, 10 May 2012 00:21:45 GMT

I read this article on another fourm and thought it was worth a read. I don't entirely agree with everything, but in general, I think its fair.

http://www.hickory-high.com/?p=4079

would the kings have made the playoffs if....

Big Cuz 15 — Wed, 09 May 2012 23:54:20 GMT

Last offseason if we resigned Daly, drafted Leonard, resigned mt, kept casspi?

No Hayes, hickson, outlaw, jimmer or salmons

Players offseason plans:

bajaden — Wed, 09 May 2012 17:56:19 GMT

I haven't seen this posted yet, so with not much to talk about, why not! Its from the Kings Insider, which is put out by the Kings, so yes, it is to some extent Kings propaganda. But not so much in this article.

http://thekingsblog.com/2012/05/king...fseason-plans/

Random Thought/Idea...

TyFreak Evans — Wed, 09 May 2012 17:26:14 GMT

So I was thinking about something, and would like to throw it out there for Kingsfans.com members to discuss. Can an NBA team be successful under the ownership of, yes I am going to say it, their fans? Think about it for a second.....Take for example the Boston Celtics, who have a very big fanbase across the country, and even across the globe, if their fans own the team, they could have it set up to where each fan can put down a certain amount of money towards the purchase price of the team, and all decisions related to the team (i.e. trades, free agent signings, arenas, etc.) can be made by the fan base. Now, for this to be successful, of course you can't have every member of the fan base have an input, but rather just assign a group of 10 or so individuals who represent the fan base, and have them discuss and vote on the issues...

I am not throwing this idea for the Kings, but rather in general, to see what everyone thinks? I think if done right and thoroughly planned out, this could definitely be successful in the NBA.

Your thoughts?

10 signs you are a true kings fan (2012 Edition)

R2D2 — Sun, 06 May 2012 16:36:45 GMT

Last 6 seasons combined record: 159 W�s and 317 L�s (.334). Yes, the tank is strong in SacTown basketball. The sucktitude is similar. But it seems like the season�s record was once again the last thing on a fan�s mind. The ownership saga and the relationship between the Maloofs and the community as a whole and its representatives in particular are at an all time low. That is until next season, of course...

In the meanwhile here is the 2012 edition of:

10 indicators you might be a true purple hearted fan

1. You find no spelling errors while reading �luck the Mafoofs�
2. You have committed to purchasing The Three Stooges new book:�How to invest your inheritance. NOT!�
3. You think a new logo, reflecting owner's values, is in place. It should look something like this.
4. You pray for a miracle. A Burkiracle if possible.
5. Lin or Woss, when you play the Fakers � ALWAYS play for the win. ALWAYS.
6. If you disagree with #5, you probably need to be reminded with this.

7. Statistics, Shmatistics. With the King�s luck you knew immediately when they won the coin flip for the additional ping pong ball that they will be getting the 9th pick at the lottery. Before trading down, that is...
8. Enough travelling. After this team was formed in NY and travelled to Cincinnati (�the Queens city�, BTW) and KC, you just want everyone to acknowledge that they need to stay the SACRAMENTO Kings.
9. They say a common enemy make best of friends. You actually like David Stern. Let him stay as a commissioner for a few more years.
10. Your support for KJ is non-hesitation. If you build it � they will come! (*)

(*) Said it last year too.

This year special bonus: #11. You read this post.

Maloofs would let Petrie interview for Blazers job if he wanted

BMiller52 — Sun, 06 May 2012 06:12:39 GMT

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201....gm/index.html

Quote:

Up the coast in Sacramento, Geoff Petrie -- the Kings' president and former Blazers executive/player who has been connected to the job consistently by Portland media -- can relate. The Maloof family that owns the Kings is overloaded with debt and still faces the possibility of relocation after they backed out of an arena deal with the city that was negotiated by the NBA (although they will be in Sacramento at least through next season). The Kings have had the lowest payroll among NBA teams the last two seasons, but have posted six straight losing seasons (159-317, .334 winning percentage).
Yet despite the limitations, Petrie has played a significant part in the team's drastic decline and sources close to him say he believes his once-sterling reputation has taken a serious beating, in large part, because of the ownership situation. With one season left on his contract, there continues to be conflicting signs about his future with the team, and while co-owner Joe Maloof told SI.com on Saturday that Portland has not requested permission to speak with Petrie, he said he would allow him to pursue the opportunity if that was his wish.
"We'd love to keep him, but we aren't going to hold him back if he did get another offer," Joe Maloof said. "It's whatever he decides."

I have to say this makes me nervous. I don't think these guys will own the team much longer and I'd like to see Petrie stay on as a steady hand to guide the team through a transition. I mean a lot of these guys (Cousins, Reke, IT, Jimmer, etc) are Petrie's players and I think it'd be best if he decides what to do with them, rather than a new GM who could come in and decide that Cousins is too much of a pain to deal with, or might not evaluate Tyreke correctly, or give up on Jimmer too soon, etc. I really think that if Petrie had access to more cash he would get us more shotblocking, shooting, and a better coach, but it's hard to do well with the guys we have as owners. On the other hand, it could be a sign the Maloofs aren't going to own the team much longer and have enough respect for Geoff that they'd let him explore other options incase a future owner wants to bring in their own GM? What do you all think?

Should we build with Cousins at C or PF?

jcwkings — Sat, 05 May 2012 01:59:22 GMT

I think his game is best suited at PF, I think one of the reasons he gets in foul trouble is that he feels he has to be the defensive anchor. I would much rather have another rim blocking 7 footer next to him like Dalembert. Hes very quick, and his size would bother the majority of other pf's in the league. If we ever want to be a good defensive team, it will not be with Cousins as your primary rim protector. I would have liked to see the Cousins Dalembert frontcourt this season, we would have been a solid defensive team, just with that and Evans and Salmons on the perimeter. I see Cousins more in the Duncan/Gasol mold, both have the size to play center, but are much more effective at pf.

If we somehow win the lottery, this thread should be locked though.....