Official: Build New Arena Thread

[CaminoChaos]

It is very clear that a new arena has to be built in order for our beloved Kings to stay.

I am dedicating this thread for posters to add info on the people that represent the surrounding counties around Sacramento and in Sacramento.

The goal is to create a letter so that people can just cut and paste it into an email or letter and send it. If we get the masses to participate it could help.

What we need:

1. Represenitive information:
-Represenitives Names
-Addresses
-Email Addresses

2. Letter:
-We need someone to type a letter so that we can cut and paste it into an email or letter to send to our Leaders(I would do it myself but I lack the education to write a soffisticated letter:) )

Post all info here. Letters, Email addresses, etc.
We will eventually post all the letters in a thread and have the Kings fan forum vote on them.

Let's get this done!

Moderators: Can you please sticky this?

[Warhawk]

Which representatives are we contacting, and how are we tailoring the message to each one? City, county, state? Do we include the mayor/board of supes/governor? I think the message to each might be a little different.

Are we contacting anyone besides representatives? Do we have a letter of encouragement for the Maloofs to stick it out, so they can wave a stack of letters of "support" at representatives?

How about a letter writing campaign to the Bee? Would someone like Mark Kreidler be able to help out if we sent messages of support to him (document the instances in his columns)?

I think an organized plan with a defined goal and outcome is required, and I am not well enough versed in the intricacies of government to know where to start. Maybe someone like Kennadog, who seems to be more adept in this field, can help in this area?

I think an organized campaign is good, but it must be organized to be effective. Any opportunity for a media event?

[CaminoChaos]

Post Addresses(email and regular) of all the supervisors. Who ever you can think of.
Here are supervisor of 3 counties
Superviors
Sac- dickinsonr@saccounty.net, Collini@saccounty.net , susanpeters@saccounty.net, macglashanr@saccounty.net , nottolid@saccounty.net

Amador- rescamilla@co.amador.ca.us, rforster@co.amador.ca.us , rvinson@co.amador.ca.us , lboitano@co.amador.ca.us , mbiagi@co.amador.ca.us

Calavaras- ttryon@co.calaveras.ca.us , bclaudino@co.calaveras.ca.us , swilensky@co.calaveras.ca.us , mcallaway@co.calaveras.ca.us , verickson@co.calaveras.ca.us

[CaminoChaos]

Lets get email addresses of all the media:
KHTK -
News 10 -
Bee -
Channel 3 -
Channel 13 -
Fox40 -
Channel 31 -

[Bricklayer]

Ok, well I was going to hold off on mentioning this, but since you have shown initiative here -- there is a site coming soon which will have all of this information centralized, amongst other things.

By all means collect -- it will help.

[CaminoChaos]

Yolo Supervisors - mike.mcgowan@yolocounty.org , helen.thomson@yolocounty.org , fsieferman@yolocounty.org , rogelio.villagrana@yolocounty.org , mariko.yamada@yolocounty.org , duane.chamberlain@yolocounty.org , beth.gabor@yolocounty.org

[Warhawk]

Need to probably add Yolo, Sutter, Placer, San Joaquin, El Dorado, and maybe even Solano Counties.

KFBK is the largest talk radio station for news in the area - adding them wouldn't hurt.

Maybe some way of taking out an ad in the paper to promote this? Probably better served by some other method, but always an option.

Edit - you beat me to the Yolo County comment. Again, I am not sure about mass e-mails until we have a coherent message to distribute that is clear and concise.

[Bricklayer]

Need to probably add Yolo, Sutter, Placer, San Joaquin, El Dorado, and maybe even Solano Counties.

KFBK is the largest talk radio station for news in the area - adding them wouldn't hurt.

Maybe some way of taking out an ad in the paper to promote this? Probably better served by some other method, but always an option.

Note my post above.

[CaminoChaos]

Bee - mbreton@sacbee.com , jdavidson@sacbee.com , mkreidler@sacbee.com , mmcneal@sacbee.com , avoisin@sacbee.com

[G_M]

I would only add that I think it would be very beneficial to frame this in the context of saving a "VENUE" which provides for the betterment of the community. The Maloofs(who until recently) have been demonized and I think removing them from the debate to whatever extent that is possible is a good strategy.

[CaminoChaos]

El Dorado- bosone@co.el-dorado.ca.us , bostwo@co.el-dorado.ca.us , bosthree@co.el-dorado.ca.us , bosfour@co.el-dorado.ca.us

[Bricklayer]

I would only add that I think it would be very beneficial to frame this in the context of saving a "VENUE" which provides for the betterment of the community. The Maloofs(who until recently) have been demonized and I think removing them from the debate to whatever extent that is possible is a good strategy.

You are a wise man GM. ;)

[bozzwell]

I am googling for online info of comparable deals, where cities built arenas and how the whole community benefitted. Not because I believe that somehow we can put up a better case for "why building a new arena" is good business then any of the developers or Maloofs could, but the fans should demonstrate that they are _not_ buying into prevailing BS in the media that somehow City/County/State is asked to build Maloofs a new toy at the taxpayers expense.

Here is example of Chicago/Soldier Field:
http://www.chicagoparkdistrict.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/news.detail/object_id/1d5d21a5-0580-4258-88c9-6586e9b04fbd.cfm

However, San Antionio or Indy would be better samples.

[CaminoChaos]

KFBK - kfbknews@clearchannel.com

[kennadog]

I would only add that I think it would be very beneficial to frame this in the context of saving a "VENUE" which provides for the betterment of the community. The Maloofs(who until recently) have been demonized and I think removing them from the debate to whatever extent that is possible is a good strategy.

I totally agree with this and has been my position from the beginning. Yes, there are centralized sites for representative information. I'd be happy to create some distribution lists when we know which government officials we want to target. I'd do it for other groups too. Chambers of Commerce in different areas, media etc. And I'd contribute $$ to an ad campaign. It's be nice to know if anybody on kingsfans.com is in public relations? Or knows a Kings fan who is.

[bozzwell]

Here is a nice info about SBC arena. Scroll down for a write up rationalazing why new "Venue" is a good deal and why losing Spurs would be more expensive:

http://basketball.ballparks.com/NBA/SanAntonioSpurs/newindex.htm

[Warhawk]

Note my post above.

No, I saw that, but throwing out ideas never hurts - you never know who has connections/initiative/tendencies in different places/areas or has ideas that will help. Any and all coverage you can get for something like this is good. :D

Any idea how soon the site will be ready?

Removing the Maloofs entirely may or may not be the wisest option. For better or worse and justified or not, a large part of the public already links the Maloofs to any arena deal. Removing them from the equation indicates impartiality (good) but may remove a significant ally in this battle to build a new arena (bad). The only reason we're here at this website is the Kings - pretending they don't exist all of a sudden seems a bit silly. I want a new arena for both the Kings AND everything else it brings.

Edit - I may be completely off about this, but maybe someone can convince me....

[kennadog]

I am googling for online info of comparable deals, where cities built arenas and how the whole community benefitted. Not because I believe that somehow we can put up a better case for "why building a new arena" is good business then any of the developers or Maloofs could, but the fans should demonstrate that they are _not_ buying into prevailing BS in the media that somehow City/County/State is asked to build Maloofs a new toy at the taxpayers expense.

I'll try and find the article again, but it was a very thoughtful article on how most studies on the benefits of arenas focus on economic benefits without placing any value on certain intangible benefits. It tried to analyze those benefits. I'll have to look for it tomorrow.

[bozzwell]

I'll try and find the article again, but it was a very thoughtful article on how most studies on the benefits of arenas focus on economic benefits without placing any value on certain intangible benefits. It tried to analyze those benefits. I'll have to look for it tomorrow.

Great idea. We need all the ammo we can get. We need to humanize the whole project again after the media and (I believe) some polticians have demonized the Maloofs and the whole project for so long.

[kennadog]

I don't think we can leave the Maloofs or the Kings totally out of the discussion. After all, we are Kings fans. It happens that the Kings are the single entity that occupies the most time at Arco. But only about 25% of events at Arco are the Kings.

[kennadog]

I also think that people forget how much charitable money and/or volunteer time the Maloofs, players and other Maloof S & E employees have contributed to this area. No one in Sacramento objected to accepting free money and other help for benefit of the community.

[Warhawk]

I also think that people forget how much charitable money and/or volunteer time the Maloofs, players and other Maloof S & E employees have contributed to this area. No one in Sacramento objected to accepting free money and other help for benefit of the community.

Exactly - the community donations and good PR seem to be forgotten/fall on deaf ears recently. Maybe a reference to the amount of community donations, etc, given on an annual basis by the Maloofs would be good as well? Maybe a list of all the local parks/facilities rehabbed/built by their assistance over the years or the organizations who have received substantial amounts of money and the good it has done?

[rhuber]

It's be nice to know if anybody on kingsfans.com is in public relations? Or knows a Kings fan who is.

I work with a lot of big PR firms. I wouldn't count on any of them wanting to step into something like this (at least of a voluntary level), but I can try to see if maybe they know of any firms that might be willing to kick-in. It's worth a shot anyway.

[natedizzle]

I would love to see Kings fans start to show up at city council/County supervisor meetings until a new arena talk becomes a priority. People showing up at the meetings over and over again makes the demand real. Additionally, it is more visible to the media.

Additionally, I wonder if our city/county leaders are subject to recall. Maybe a threat of recall will get the ball rolling.

[slugking50]

Ok, well I was going to hold off on mentioning this, but since you have shown initiative here -- there is a site coming soon which will have all of this information centralized, amongst other things.

By all means collect -- it will help.


Created by you?



Can't wait. It should help a bunch.








If people recall, There has been efforts before trying to get other counties to be included but at that time those Supervisors felt that they wouldnt benefit from an Arena being built. So they all declined.


This happened just 2 years ago.

With a new City Manager things should start to improve.

[VF21]

Created by you?

Can't wait. It should help a bunch.

If people recall, There has been efforts before trying to get other counties to be included but at that time those Supervisors felt that they wouldnt benefit from an Arena being built. So they all declined.

This happened just 2 years ago.

With a new City Manager things should start to improve.

You'll be hearing in a short while. Jeremy, Bricklayer and I - among others - are not going to let this issue die without a fight and are already working very hard on putting some stuff together.

Stay tuned for further details...

Once and forever, go SACRAMENTO KINGS!!!!!

[NewMonkey]

You'll be hearing in a short while. Jeremy, Bricklayer and I - among others - are not going to let this issue die without a fight and are already working very hard on putting some stuff together.

Stay tuned for further details...

Once and forever, go SACRAMENTO KINGS!!!!!

I'd be willing to throw a little cash your way(s) to help out with hosting/design/whatnot.

[Circa_1985_Fan]

You'll be hearing in a short while. Jeremy, Bricklayer and I - among others - are not going to let this issue die without a fight and are already working very hard on putting some stuff together.

Stay tuned for further details...

Once and forever, go SACRAMENTO KINGS!!!!!
I think its about time for me to speak up and write my 'what sacramento is, and what sacramento was' article, errr....editorial, errr...manifesto. Stay tuned for this, it will be a doozy. I am born and raised here in the capitol of the WORLD'S 5th largest economy. And yet there is no identity, no vision, nothing major. Sacramento is the world's biggest MINOR league city. And it would make no difference to the bitties that just 'like' the Kings just to watch them walk. Build more art galleries and freaking theatres, and restaurants...keep saying that we're broke and have no money for anything like schools and resources. SCREW YOU!! If the Kings leave Sacramento, other than having great life-long friends here, I have no problem leaving Sacramento. Sacramento BEFORE the Kings was just happy with getting a few big names errrrr....Phil Donohue, Pete Ranzany, Gorman Thomas...THIS IS MAJOR LEAGUE TO MOST IDIOTS THAT WERE AROUND DURING THE 70's and EARLY 80's!! I cant tell you how annoying it is to think of these type of people...of which, our lovely former mayor Anne Rudin, who could give a rat's arse about anything to do with growth in the community and civic pride. Anyways, my article will be sent to EVERYONE that is a part of this arena/Kings thing, Councilpeople, Maloofs, Mayors(including ones from surrounding cities), venture capitalists...EVERYONE! Please stay tuned.....thank you.

[VF21]

I understand your passion, Circa 1985 Fan, but a BIG part of the problem is people thinking that it has to be art galleries OR an arena, schools OR an arena, etc. It doesn't.

What we here at Kingsfans.com want to do is start something that will help get the focus where it belongs. On finding a way to build an arena that will keep the Kings here for a very long, long time AND will serve as a beacon for other events to come to the area. It can be beneficial all the way around.

Primarily, it's not about anger, or "Screw you!" or anything like that. In fact, that's been part of the problem IMHO. People need to step back, take a couple of deep breaths, and approach this rationally and calmly. Getting angry doesn't help anyone.

Too many times a good idea has gone awry because people let their emotions get the better of them. We're going to try to do this logically and rationally and with passion, but without anger...

Peace.

:D

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I understand your passion, Circa 1985 Fan, but a BIG part of the problem is people thinking that it has to be art galleries OR an arena, schools OR an arena, etc. It doesn't.

What we here at Kingsfans.com want to do is start something that will help get the focus where it belongs. On finding a way to build an arena that will keep the Kings here for a very long, long time AND will serve as a beacon for other events to come to the area. It can be beneficial all the way around.

Primarily, it's not about anger, or "Screw you!" or anything like that. In fact, that's been part of the problem IMHO. People need to step back, take a couple of deep breaths, and approach this rationally and calmly. Getting angry doesn't help anyone.

Too many times a good idea has gone awry because people let their emotions get the better of them. We're going to try to do this logically and rationally and with passion, but without anger...

Peace.

:D
Well, I understand the whole 'voice of reason' thing and all, but I'm already pretty much getting ready to deal with this city without the Kings. Fine with me, whatever. Why was Joe Serna the only person in this city with a position of prominance that actually had the balls to get pissed and DO SOMETHING about things to actually get them done! Without him, the Kings would have left back in 97' when Old Man Thomas was about to sellout to Nashville. How soon people forget about how Sacramento was. Joe Serna meant so much to this city, I swear. Now....everything is just going to blow away...we're going to become the Bratislava of the West. But hey, it makes people happy, I guess. So...we shouldnt get angry, right? C'mon...the only way things ever get done in THIS city is with vigilance, it seems! Just remember...please.

[rhuber]

Well, I understand the whole 'voice of reason' thing and all, but I'm already pretty much getting ready to deal with this city without the Kings. Fine with me, whatever. Why was Joe Serna the only person in this city with a position of prominance that actually had the balls to get pissed and DO SOMETHING about things to actually get them done! Without him, the Kings would have left back in 97' when Old Man Thomas was about to sellout to Nashville. How soon people forget about how Sacramento was. Joe Serna meant so much to this city, I swear. Now....everything is just going to blow away...we're going to become the Bratislava of the West. But hey, it makes people happy, I guess. So...we shouldnt get angry, right? C'mon...the only way things ever get done in THIS city is with vigilance, it seems! Just remember...please.

There's nothing wrong with a little anger, but VF has got the right attitude concerning this particular effort. To gain any credibility as an organized effort, you have to show a willingness to work with all people/ideas - not against them. The theme should be one of unity... which is something everyone can appreciate and comfortably take part in.

[Circa_1985_Fan]

There's nothing wrong with a little anger, but VF has got the right attitude concerning this particular effort. To gain any credibility as an organized effort, you have to show a willingness to work with all people/ideas - not against them. The theme should be one of unity... which is something everyone can appreciate and comfortably take part in.
Then we already have lost...this attitude accomplishes nothing in this city, anyways.

[VF21]

Well, I understand the whole 'voice of reason' thing and all, but I'm already pretty much getting ready to deal with this city without the Kings. Fine with me, whatever. Why was Joe Serna the only person in this city with a position of prominance that actually had the balls to get pissed and DO SOMETHING about things to actually get them done! Without him, the Kings would have left back in 97' when Old Man Thomas was about to sellout to Nashville. How soon people forget about how Sacramento was. Joe Serna meant so much to this city, I swear. Now....everything is just going to blow away...we're going to become the Bratislava of the West. But hey, it makes people happy, I guess. So...we shouldnt get angry, right? C'mon...the only way things ever get done in THIS city is with vigilance, it seems! Just remember...please.

You are, of course, free to deal with the city or whomever else you choose in whatever manner you see fit.

"The only way things ever get done in THIS city is with vigilance"?

I'm sorry but I certainly don't follow your train of thought. If you're talking about vigilantes, that's the LAST thing we want. We do NOT want to work outside the law. Vigilance is the state of being aware of one's surroundings and cognizant of any and all dangers.

I do understand your passion but it's possible to be passionate about a cause while still maintaining a modicum of control over your anger.

You're pretty much saying you don't think our effort stands a chance and yet you know absolutely nothing about it. All I'm saying is that before you assume we'll fail, wait and see what we might have in mind.

We all want the same thing. You can write your passionate letters, although angry letters get very little attention. I'm just telling it like it is...

A rational, logical approach with honest, sincere people will get further. And that's what we're hoping to be able to provide.

It's still in the works, so please bear with us.

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I might as well start getting ready for the biggest sporting event in this city...The Pig Bowl. Wow, did you hear...Mayor Anne Rudin is planning 'Sacramento's March on Baseball'!! Weeeee!! We're going to be big time for SURE after we do that!*L* Everyone make sure to watch the pride of the Sacramento sports world, Creighton Sanders on the channel 3 news tonight! But everyone get ready for the Jazz Jubilee! We are on the map!

C'mon...this is about more than just the Kings...cant you see?? It's a mentality. We are a city that has 407,000 downtown residents and 2,000,000 in the metro area...and the people that love everything there is about growing up as a city and providing visability arent effective enough to make a difference. Its always been that way, and its never going to change, unfortunately.

[VF21]

Of course I can see that it's about more than just the Kings. Did you read my quotes in the Voisin article? It's pretty much EXACTLY what I said...

It's this kind of argument that just isn't productive. We want the same thing. We want a state-of-the-art arena for Sacramento that will include provision for the Sacramento Kings. All I'm trying to say is that we're going to try and do what we can to achieve that end WITHOUT resorting to anger and yelling because it always seems to backfire.

We're really on the same side, Circa. Just give us a chance to get things going before you decide we're going to fail, okay?

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Of course I can see that it's about more than just the Kings. Did you read my quotes in the Voisin article? It's pretty much EXACTLY what I said...

It's this kind of argument that just isn't productive. We want the same thing. We want a state-of-the-art arena for Sacramento that will include provision for the Sacramento Kings. All I'm trying to say is that we're going to try and do what we can to achieve that end WITHOUT resorting to anger and yelling because it always seems to backfire.

We're really on the same side, Circa. Just give us a chance to get things going before you decide we're going to fail, okay?
I'm with you, believe me...I just know how the city and its officials work...I work for them, I see it first hand every day.

[jeffjcalweb]

sacratomato leaders don't have the spine and leadership skills to get a deal for a new arena done. i know this is a kings fan site, so of course most of the talk about an arena center's on the kings. once the kings leave, sacramento will take such a monumental step backwards in the quality of life it offers its citizens. with the other exciting (to me) downtown developments underway (new condo towers, apts, etc) it is a shame that the ability to work together w/all parties and get a deal done seems beyond the grasp of those we rely on to make it happen.

anyone who says this is about just the kings, or something as ignorant as "let the maloof's build it" represents the backa$$ thinking that has existed in this city for too long.

[kennadog]

Well, I'm excited to see what you come up with VF21. While I'm frustrated over the issue, I agree that, as a group, we don't want to be angry, insulting or too strident. People will just be turned off and will never listen then. Its going to take an attitude of trying to find common ground and cooperation.

I mentioned an article earlier in the thread about an article on intangible benefits. Trying to find it, I have to admit there are way more anti-arena; anti-stadium; and anti-ballpark articles out there. (At least anti any public funding for them.) At least one article was honest enough to say that if a city does say no, they WILL lose their team, UNLESS every city agreed to not offer any public subsidy to sports teams. This will never happen.

http://www.phil.frb.org/files/br/brq204jc.pdf (http://www.phil.frb.org/files/br/brq204jc.pdf)

[Circa_1985_Fan]

sacratomato leaders don't have the spine and leadership skills to get a deal for a new arena done. i know this is a kings fan site, so of course most of the talk about an arena center's on the kings. once the kings leave, sacramento will take such a monumental step backwards in the quality of life it offers its citizens. with the other exciting (to me) downtown developments underway (new condo towers, apts, etc) it is a shame that the ability to work together w/all parties and get a deal done seems beyond the grasp of those we rely on to make it happen.

anyone who says this is about just the kings, or something as ignorant as "let the maloof's build it" represents the backa$$ thinking that has existed in this city for too long.
AMEN!! FINALLY, someone else sees the reality that exists in this city! This is about WAYYYY more than just the Kings or an arena. Our mayor is letting city council roll back alot of successes that were created for this city(and once again, I'm not even talking about the Kings here) a few years back before she came into office, by default I'll have you. How soon before Steve Cohn gets elected??*L*

[VF21]

It's not that some of us don't see the reality that exists, Circa, which is what I've been trying to explain. There are ways around the city council AND there are pressures that can be brought to bear, if people are willing to do them.

We aren't going to turn this into a discussion of politics and what Heather Fargo - or anyone else, for that matter - has or hasn't done for the city. It's about getting the momentum going in the right direction to get a new arena built AND preventing the Kings from even thinking about leaving.

I understand your frustration but this isn't going to be about the politics of what has happened in the past... So please, no rhetoric about various candidates, etc. To be successful, it will take people from both sides of the fence, so to speak.

Thanks for understanding.

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I love your diligence VF, and will always respect you for that, as we are alot alike in that way, BUT...I still think this will come to a stand still before it makes any more forward progress, and time is of the essence, and the more time that we spend as vocal Kings fans bringing up pros and cons of this and that, the more everyone involved in this keep sitting around not doing anything. I tell you what, to put everything into prospective; if we got 1,000,000 signatures, got 1,000,000 loyal Kings fans in a 'Save the Kings' march, and took all this to the doorstep of everyone involved in this 'project'...we still would get the canned response: 'We're working to get this resolved in the best manor for all parties involved'. Thats the mentalities that we're dealing with here. In the end, heartbreak would loom, unfortunately. I work for the city, I know how slow things move internally. This thing is a 5 year long chess game that is about to be checkmate for another city and the Maloofs, and the city of Sacramento is about to lose it's King on the NBA chess board.

[Bricklayer]

I love your diligence VF, and will always respect you for that, as we are alot alike in that way, BUT...I still think this will come to a stand still before it makes any more forward progress, and time is of the essence, and the more time that we spend as vocal Kings fans bringing up pros and cons of this and that, the more everyone involved in this keep sitting around not doing anything. I tell you what, to put everything into prospective; if we got 1,000,000 signatures, got 1,000,000 loyal Kings fans in a 'Save the Kings' march, and took all this to the doorstep of everyone involved in this 'project'...we still would get the canned response: 'We're working to get this resolved in the best manor for all parties involved'. Thats the mentalities that we're dealing with here. In the end, heartbreak would loom, unfortunately. I work for the city, I know how slow things move internally. This thing is a 5 year long chess game that is about to be checkmate for another city and the Maloofs, and the city of Sacramento is about to lose it's King on the NBA chess board.

As a purposely ominous aside, when are the next elections for the city council? Actually, for all of the various councils around the area. Nobody votes in those things anyway. You get a dedicated organization, you can do some damage.

[Circa_1985_Fan]

As a purposely ominous aside, when are the next elections for the city council? Actually, for all of the various councils around the area. Nobody votes in those things anyway. You get a dedicated organization, you can do some damage.
Can we get Pres. Bush involved in this thing??*L*

[VF21]

I love your diligence VF, and will always respect you for that, as we are alot alike in that way, BUT...I still think this will come to a stand still before it makes any more forward progress, and time is of the essence, and the more time that we spend as vocal Kings fans bringing up pros and cons of this and that, the more everyone involved in this keep sitting around not doing anything. I tell you what, to put everything into prospective; if we got 1,000,000 signatures, got 1,000,000 loyal Kings fans in a 'Save the Kings' march, and took all this to the doorstep of everyone involved in this 'project'...we still would get the canned response: 'We're working to get this resolved in the best manor for all parties involved'. Thats the mentalities that we're dealing with here. In the end, heartbreak would loom, unfortunately. I work for the city, I know how slow things move internally. This thing is a 5 year long chess game that is about to be checkmate for another city and the Maloofs, and the city of Sacramento is about to lose it's King on the NBA chess board.

So you're going to throw in the towel before anything is even started?

Dude, I understand... You don't think it stands a chance. Cool. Then just sit back and watch and you can say "I told you so."

[Bricklayer]

Can we get Pres. Bush involved in this thing??*L*

I'm dead serious about asking about those dates.

You may be surprised to see what comes rumbling down the pipeline. Your bosses too if they are actually as complacent as you suggest.

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I'm dead serious about asking about those dates.

You may be surprised to see what comes rumbling down the pipeline. Your bosses too if they are actually as complacent as you suggest.
Lemme look into this, I'll get back to you shortly;)

[VF21]

Lots of stuff here, Brick:

http://www.cityofsacramento.org/council/

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Beat me to it VF;) Was just about to post that link, then got caught up in nostalgia, I guess, looking over old initiatives.*L* Most of the members on council were just re-elected back in 2004.

[Bricklayer]

And this implies that half of the council will be up in 2006 (staggered 4 year terms with elections in even numbered years). What's the mayor's status?

http://www.cityofsacramento.org/about_the_city.htm

[Bricklayer]

As an additional aside, any recall provision at the city level?

I like big sticks.

[Circa_1985_Fan]

And this implies that half of the council will be up in 2006 (staggered 4 year terms with elections in even numbered years). What's the mayor's status?

http://www.cityofsacramento.org/about_the_city.htm
The Mayor is up in 2008, she was one of the ones re-elected in 2004.

[Bricklayer]

I am linking up old articles, but a summary would help. Of the Council Members, which ones were the biggest problem, and which the biggest friends to the arena movement?

Fong was an ally, correct?

And Cohn was a pretty blatant enemy?

Mayor seems to have given up after her downtown proposal fell apart -- seem to remember a few years back when she was first elected she was no particular friend of the Kings. Stupid.

What about the rest? Who are the problems that need to be dealt with?

[Bricklayer]

As an additional aside, any recall provision at the city level?

I like big sticks.

Hello:

Sacramento Municipal Code
§ 163 Recall.

The holder of any elective office may be recalled, in the manner provided by state law applicable to cities, by the electors after such person has held office six months.

[jeffjcalweb]

And this implies that half of the council will be up in 2006 (staggered 4 year terms with elections in even numbered years). What's the mayor's status?

http://www.cityofsacramento.org/about_the_city.htm

the intent is right brick, unfortunately the reality is different. since most of the population and fan base is sacramento county, and not city, a city council recall or election w/new candidates does little to change the picture. the issue is, right/wrong or other its just fact, that the city council, made up of a bunch of smalltime no vision lack of leadership wanna be big city players, is in charge. i've heard a bit of rumour about sacramento county becoming involved to try and get something done, but who knows if that will happen.

as long as it is fargo, and her backwoods cowbell small city thinking council, well if you're holding your breath on a new arena you better stock up on oxygen bottles...

[Bricklayer]

Hmm...

Well this is interesting, if we knew who to target:

Most recent election results for City Council Members:

2004
Dist 2: Sheedy -- 57.3% 3,010 votes
Dist 4: Fong -- 77.6% 10,806 votes
Dist 6: McCarty -- 62.0% 6,218 votes
Dist 8: Pannell -- 100% 4,935 votes

2002
Dist 1: Tretheway -- 66.3% 4280 votes
Dist 3: Cohn -- 71.7% 7806 votes
Dist 5: Hammond -- 60.8% 3511 votes
Dist 7: Waters -- 57.9% 5424 votes


The 2002 group will be up again this spring. Look at those vote totals. 3500-7800 votes. That's it. That is the epitome of vulnerable if there is an organized and motivated effort. You need to find 4000 Kings fans per district and you can mount a serious threat. Keep it in mind. I hope they do.

City council members are only as safe as apathy allows them to be. Nobody votes for them, or against them. The latter can change if people have a reason. Anybody on here want to join the city council? ;)

[jeffjcalweb]

Hmm...

Well this is interesting, if we knew who to target:

Most recent election results for City Council Members:

2004
Dist 2: Sheedy -- 57.3% 3,010 votes
Dist 4: Fong -- 77.6% 10,806 votes
Dist 6: McCarty -- 62.0% 6,218 votes
Dist 8: Pannell -- 100% 4,935 votes

2002
Dist 1: Tretheway -- 66.3% 4280 votes
Dist 3: Cohn -- 71.7% 7806 votes
Dist 5: Hammond -- 60.8% 3511 votes
Dist 7: Waters -- 57.9% 5424 votes


The 2002 group will be up again this spring. Look at those vote totals. 3500-7800 votes. That's it. That is the epitome of vulnerable if there is an organized and motivated effort. You need to find 4000 Kings fans per district and you can mount a serious threat. Keep it in mind. I hope they do.

City council members are only as safe as apathy allows them to be. Nobody votes for them, or against them. The latter can change if people have a reason. Anybody on here want to join the city council? ;)

that's the problem brick - you have to live in sacramento city limits to vote in the elections. the population base of sacto city vs sacto county is unequal. i believe sac city population is around 450K whereas the rest of the 1+ mil are sac county (ie Roseville, Rocklin, El Dorado Hills). we can't participate, yet the city council controls the kings fate as long as any deal involving an arena is within city limits.

[VF21]

Maybe the thought the deal could get done OUTSIDE city limits might get their attention...

There are alternatives, including nearby counties - remember Detroit plays 40 miles away in Auburn Hills.

;)

[jeffjcalweb]

absolutely. about a year ago there was talk of roseville being a potential site. i'm of course a pessmist by nature, so i think we're already too late.

there are too many people who have the media's attention, or worse ARE the media (RE Asswitch) who have made this a poor little sactown vs big city billionaire owners. this is soooooooo NOT A KINGS ISSUE! so damn frustrating. the kings can, at best use the arena 25-30% out of the year. the rest of the time it is having a facility to have all the other events that people love to go to.

once the kings leave (if no new arena) are you (not YOU VF) that stupid to think Arco will continue to function as a venue for these events??? sorry folks, pay attention - ARCO IS NOT A VIABLE FACILITY ANYMORE! no new arena = no kings = bye bye all other major entertainment. and don't even bother posting something as stupid as "what about the sleep center amphitheatre" or river cats arena. those are nice little facilities but its hard to have something like an ice skating or WNBA team play there. or whatever else besides the NBA.

[BMiller52]

Maybe the thought the deal could get done OUTSIDE city limits might get their attention...

There are alternatives, including nearby counties - remember Detroit plays 40 miles away in Auburn Hills.

;)


Wow, good thinking. Hope someone from the kings org is reading this!

[Padrino]

those are nice little facilities but its hard to have something like an ice skating or WNBA team play there. or whatever else besides the NBA.

i hadnt thought about this..where would the monarchs play?

[Bricklayer]

that's the problem brick - you have to live in sacramento city limits to vote in the elections. the population base of sacto city vs sacto county is unequal. i believe sac city population is around 450K whereas the rest of the 1+ mil are sac county (ie Roseville, Rocklin, El Dorado Hills). we can't participate, yet the city council controls the kings fate as long as any deal involving an arena is within city limits.

You don't win elections by voting yourself. I have a plan here. And if it works we may be in position to do a lot more than just wring our hands. And we will have people from inside those districts involved. And people from outside the diistricts driving in to put boots on the ground.

If anybody knows, I would like to know how/where those council members up for election stnad -- beyond Cohn, who I already know about. If their "base" in their own districts is 4000 people, I just about guarantee you that number can be matched if need be. There are 4000 people in those districts who would vote against them if properly motivated. The Kings are that motivation. The key is having a plan on how to reach/motivate those people. Or in elicting promises from the politicians at hand in exchange for not interfering in their back yards.

[jeffjcalweb]

i hadnt thought about this..where would the monarchs play?

see, now you're asking questions about the bigger picture. who knows where they would play, my guess is they go where the kings go. i have nothing to base that on, just my opinion. doesn't make much sense to move an NBA team and not the WNBA team.

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Wow, good thinking. Hope someone from the kings org is reading this!
I'm pretty sure they have, quite a bit, actually. This thing has to get done independantly, without any support from the Kings org.

[Circa_1985_Fan]

see, now you're asking questions about the bigger picture. who knows where they would play, my guess is they go where the kings go. i have nothing to base that on, just my opinion. doesn't make much sense to move an NBA team and not the WNBA team.
Well, they both would leave, due to the Maloofs owning both. But you have to look at the even bigger picture than that: If we lose the NBA, how long will it be before Sacramento 'grows up' as a city, due to the failure to keep the only horse in a one horse city? This city/county is over 2,000,000 people strong, and still in seek of its identity. Only time will tell.

[D-Mass]

Maybe the thought the deal could get done OUTSIDE city limits might get their attention...

There are alternatives, including nearby counties - remember Detroit plays 40 miles away in Auburn Hills.

;)

Chico, baby!!!






Is that too far? ;)

[VF21]

Well, there is that patch of land in Yuba County that was recently the subject of a vote to determine whether or not they wanted an Indian casino there. (It's where the SleepTrain Amphitheater - or whatever it's currently called - is located.)

[BigWaxer]

I think that patch was for the NASCAR track that never happened. That says enough about Yuba and their ability to get something done.

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I think that patch was for the NASCAR track that never happened. That says enough about Yuba and their ability to get something done.
Ditto on that point.

[bozzwell]

You don't win elections by voting yourself. I have a plan here. And if it works we may be in position to do a lot more than just wring our hands. And we will have people from inside those districts involved. And people from outside the diistricts driving in to put boots on the ground.

If anybody knows, I would like to know how/where those council members up for election stnad -- beyond Cohn, who I already know about. If their "base" in their own districts is 4000 people, I just about guarantee you that number can be matched if need be. There are 4000 people in those districts who would vote against them if properly motivated. The Kings are that motivation. The key is having a plan on how to reach/motivate those people. Or in elicting promises from the politicians at hand in exchange for not interfering in their back yards.

...and your plan is to use your bat. Right? :D

[slugking50]

I think that patch was for the NASCAR track that never happened. That says enough about Yuba and their ability to get something done.


Well... It was supposed to be one of those Mile & 1/2 Cookie cutter tracks that wouldnt get many dates anyway. I thought the track was under construction still..... I had no idea it was stopped.

[VF21]

The track concept fell through because of the people on the other end. Not because of Yuba County's lack of ability.

With the right backing, an arena proposal would PASS in Yuba County. It would actually be a real boon to the economy AND I know at least three supervisors (there are only 5 total) who would support it.

[slugking50]

The track concept fell through because of the people on the other end. Not because of Yuba County's lack of ability.

With the right backing, an arena proposal would PASS in Yuba County. It would actually be a real boon to the economy AND I know at least three supervisors (there are only 5 total) who would support it.


Ah ok I remeber now. Forsythe backed out.

[Warhawk]

I still say an arena next to Raley Field would do really well if Natomas falls through. They already have a boatload of unimproved parking lots for about, what, 14,100 folks or so? Throw in some asphalt, a new parking structure or two, and tear down an old warehouse for the arena site....

Now we're talking! :)

[Warhawk]

And if W. Sac doesn't work - try Elk Grove next to a light rail line somewhere. That way everyone can hop on board and ride down to the game. Trust me, the way they green-light building projects, it would go through.

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I still say an arena next to Raley Field would do really well if Natomas falls through. They already have a boatload of unimproved parking lots for about, what, 14,100 folks or so? Throw in some asphalt, a new parking structure or two, and tear down an old warehouse for the arena site....

Now we're talking! :)
I've always been a proponent of an arena at this site, but it would take quite some time to cut through all the red tape to even get to a vote involving the use of the land, in the first place. I definetely think this would probably be the best site for it(well, I'm not going to be picky, if someone else gets it done somewhere else), but I would love to see that area built up as a sports/entertainment area. Although traffic getting there would be a pain, they might have to build another bridge accross the Sac River to substantiate for the dramatic increase.

[Warhawk]

Oh, there are definitely issues (traffic, event scheduling, etc.), but if the city/county can't get their act together, I say right across the river is as good a site as any. Add a bridge or two, revamp some onramps and offramps and access roads.....

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Oh, there are definitely issues (traffic, event scheduling, etc.), but if the city/county can't get their act together, I say right across the river is as good a site as any. Add a bridge or two, revamp some onramps and offramps and access roads.....
And this would take how many dozens of years to build 'a bridge or two'??*L*

[Warhawk]

And this would take how many dozens of years to build 'a bridge or two'??*L*

Oh, I know, as I help design bridge foundations as part of my job. :D The best answer is, "About as long as it takes to approve and build an arena." ;)