Old Trade Thread (no longer need to post all trades here)

[CaminoChaos]

The one and only! All trades here!

From the looks of our stats Bench Scoring and Front Court Rebounding is our glaring weakness.

Who can we trade?
Who we can we get?

[BMiller52]

Kenyon Martin and Andre Miller are fighting, we need a big who's athletic:D

[yanon]

Kenyon Martin and Andre Miller are fighting, we need a big who's athletic:D

KMart is way overpaid. I would rather trade Brad + another starter for KG

[CaminoChaos]

Kenyon Martin and Andre Miller are fighting, we need a big who's athletic:D

Martin Has had problems with the knee he had surgery on.

[playmaker0017]

If the team wants to move away from the Princeton - then Andre Miller would be nice.

[BMiller52]

Martin Has had problems with the knee he had surgery on.

With our luck we'd get him and then his knee would explode:(


Anyways, I don't know. Everybody here seems to want to trade the 3 best guys on the team, and nobody else.

[captain bill]

With our luck we'd get him and then his knee would explode:(


Anyways, I don't know. Everybody here seems to want to trade the 3 best guys on the team, and nobody else.

That's because we can get the most value from the best players. I'd rather do a blockbuster and try to recreate the team with a superstar than just trade around the periphery and hope that a slightly improved bench will make the team better.

by the way, who are you defining as our 3 best players? at this point that seems like a very contentious issue.

[Smart_guy3]

Some guy on BBall.net is reporting that Indiana & Minnesota are in verbal agreement to send Jermaine O'Neal Scott Pollard Danny Granger and Jonathan Bender for Kevin Garnett Wally & Hassel.

[WalMatt23]

The Kings are known to take chances on players with bad attitudes (ie. Webber, Wells), so why not send Corlis to Portland for Ruben Patterson? The Kings need an up grade at the swing position and Patterson says he wants no part of the youth movement in Portland. Also, Portland has said that they want some veteran leadership- Corliss fits that bill.

Patterson has averaged 10.0 ppg, 4.1 rpg, and 1.1 spg in 23.7 min throughout his career. Seems like he could be a spark w/ Kenny Thomas off the bench + be more consistant than Martin or Garcia. At least it would provide an alternative to bringing both Martin and Garcia into the game at the same time.

[BMiller52]

Some guy on BBall.net is reporting that Indiana & Minnesota are in verbal agreement to send Jermaine O'Neal Scott Pollard Danny Granger and Jonathan Bender for Kevin Garnett Wally & Hassel.


He's BSing. Also we don't want ruben patterson, he tried to rape his daughter's babysitter. Yeah he was punished but he's a very bad man.

[captain bill]

Some guy on BBall.net is reporting that Indiana & Minnesota are in verbal agreement to send Jermaine O'Neal Scott Pollard Danny Granger and Jonathan Bender for Kevin Garnett Wally & Hassel.

what? bball.net is an under construction site to bring basketball to brooklyn. and why would some poster on some obscure site be the first to break news like that? this hardly even deserves the title of "internet rumor"

[Kings113]

Swingman depth/spark off bench

Patterson also cursed at Nate the other day. Leading to him being placed on the inactive list yesterday.

Portland/Nate wants more veteran players and foward depth.

Nonetheless, I'd still take him, I like him as a player. Also, he'd be especially good/convenient because he's a SG/SF.

Other guys to consider:

-Jarvis Hayes
-Wesley Person
-Rodney White
-Tremaine Fowlkes
-Theron Smith (just to mention him ;) )
-Tim Thomas (seems like Chicago doesn't care for him, and he doesn't care for the situation)
-Felipe Lopez
-Lucious Harris

[Smart_guy3]

Hey guys I thought about a Idea.

Outgoing:
Brad Miller
Peja
Skinner
Garcia
#1 pick

Incoming:
Kevin Garnett

Would you guys do it?

[KingsPride]

Patterson also cursed at Nate the other day.

Portland/Nate wants more veteran players and foward depth.

Nonetheless, I'd still take him, I like him as a player. Also, he'd be especially good/convenient because he's a SG/SF.

Also on top of that, he's had great chemistry with former teammate Bonzi Wells.

[BMiller52]

Hey guys I thought about a Idea.

Outgoing:
Brad Miller
Peja
Skinner
Garcia
#1 pick

Incoming:
Kevin Garnett

Would you guys do it?

Yeah but we'd have no center, SAR would have to go for one.

[Kings113]

Also on top of that, he's had great chemistry with former teammate Bonzi Wells.

Oh yeah, good point.

[playmaker0017]

Yeah but we'd have no center, SAR would have to go for one.

The magic of KG is that he's basically a center.

It's a position title ... nothing more.

I mean, is Miller REALLY a center?

You slide Reef or KG into the "center" role on offense and then play off of that.

[BMiller52]

The magic of KG is that he's basically a center.

It's a position title ... nothing more.

I mean, is Miller REALLY a center?

You slide Reef or KG into the "center" role on offense and then play off of that.

They can't defend C's though, both are too small.

[WalMatt23]

I seem to remember that Minnesota wanted to move Wally & recently I've read that Olowokandi is possibly on the block. I would bet a trade for KG would have to also include one or both of them.

Maybe Peja, Brad, Kenny for KG + Olowokandi?

[playmaker0017]

They can't defend C's though, both are too small.

Kevin Garnett is 7'0". Hardly too small. There's only two legit centers that could really just own Garnett and that's Shaq and Yao ... but what center other than Shaq or Yao really CAN stop them?

Garnett is also very quick.

You could run a 2-3 zone for the most part and let Garnett patrol the middle as an imposing shot blocker, rather than making him guard an individual the whole game.

Reef and Garnett are versatile.

[Amory]

I seem to remember that Minnesota wanted to move Wally & recently I've read that Olowokandi is possibly on the block. I would bet a trade for KG would have to also include one or both of them.

Maybe Peja, Brad, Kenny for KG + Olowokandi?

Ya, from what I have read I understand that he is on the block too and most likely will be traded with him. Basically because he sucks and they want him out.

I would take Olowokandi ANYDAY if we get KG in also. :D

[Gary]

I would love to have KG here.. Trade Brad/Peja for KG, and play that man at C..

KG
SAR
Martin
Wells
Bibby

Than in the off season move Martin to the SG, and try to get a guy like Bowen (meaning someone that plays D and only D)

[nbrans]

I'm of the opinion that it doesn't make sense to trade two of the core for KG because the remaining players won't be good enough to be a contending supporting cast for the immediate future. KG is in the peak of his career now, but I don't know if it makes sense to try and build a contender around him a few years from now when he's on the downside of his career.

[uolj]

All five of the starters are capable 2nd and 3rd and 4th guys behind KG. Now would be the best time, while they're still relatively young and useful.

[WalMatt23]

I'm of the opinion that it doesn't make sense to trade two of the core for KG because the remaining players won't be good enough to be a contending supporting cast for the immediate future. KG is in the peak of his career now, but I don't know if it makes sense to try and build a contender around him a few years from now when he's on the downside of his career.

I disagree. First, if the rumors are to be believed, Peja may be gone next year anyway, so why not include him in part of a trade? Second, a trade that included KT would reduce the apparent friction caused from him having to come off the bench (not to mention getting rid of a big salary). After a trade of peja/miller/KT for garnett/olowokandi, our starting line up might look this:

pg: bibby
sg: bonzi
sf: Garnett
pf: SAR
C: Olowokandi/Skinner

That looks pretty good to me. I'd rather take our lumps with this lineup this year and move forward with a core of Bibby/SAR/Garnett than Bibby/SAR/Miller, assuming peja leaves and we get nothing in return (ie Mobley).

[captain bill]

I'm of the opinion that it doesn't make sense to trade two of the core for KG because the remaining players won't be good enough to be a contending supporting cast for the immediate future. KG is in the peak of his career now, but I don't know if it makes sense to try and build a contender around him a few years from now when he's on the downside of his career.

What?!? How is KG plus any 3 of our starters not a contender?
Bibby-Bonzi-Peja-KG-Skinner
Bibby-Peja-SAR-KG-Skinner
Bibby-Garcia-SAR-KG-Miller
Hart-Bonzi-SAR-KG-Miller
Hart-Peja-SAR-KG-Miller
Hart-Bonzi-Peja-SAR-KG

any of those teams, plus whatever other permutations there are, are very very good teams. I challenge you to find one trade of 2 of our starters for KG in which we are worse off after the trade. It's simply not possible to make the team worse that way. Hell, I'd say we could trade any 3 of our starters-just draw them out of a hat-and we're still better with KG. Which is exactly why I think Sac should be the frontrunner to get KG, and why we should go after him with everything we've got. Hell, we talked to Phil Jackson, why can't we call up the Twolves and see what can be done?

[Diabeticwonder]

The most logical trade for KG involving any of the 3 would be Peja and Brad. Mike is an ideal point guard for KG and if that were to happen you would just move Reef to the SF and put Skinner at the center and there you have it. Also, any trade idea that involves starting Martin at the 2 is a bad idea.

[CaminoChaos]

The most logical trade for KG involving any of the 3 would be Peja and Brad. Mike is an ideal point guard for KG and if that were to happen you would just move Reef to the SF and put Skinner at the center and there you have it. Also, any trade idea that involves starting Martin at the 2 is a bad idea.

I would personally put KG on opposing 3's. He is much quicker than SAR.

[captain bill]

Alright, here's my personal ideal trade: Mike, Peja and SAR, or, if possible, Mike and SAR or Mike and Peja. Either way, put KG at C and Brad at PF. We have to great passing big men to initiate the offense, we really don't need a PG to run it. Allow us to play a guy like Jason Hart, or another aquisition, who can play D, rebound, do dirty work that is secondary to scoring and running the offense. Keep Bonzi onboard to continue to be a rebounding machine, give us some offense. Play KT at SF, where he can score a decent amount and give us some rebounds. If we could somehow keep Peja onboard that team would be absolutely unstoppable:
Hart
Bonzi
Peja
Brad
KG
Garnett cleaning up the boards, Brad shooting all the midrange jumpers, getting the ball out to Peja who burns everyone, Bonzi remains our power guard who gets all the boards that Kevin and Brad miss, Hart gives some extra defensive umph, and suddenly we forget how soft Peja is. And, as an added bonus, this team can score like none other. This would be tough to pull off- Bibby, Reef, Thomas for Garnett? Not really, since the Wolves already have Jaric. Then again, make it a 3-team deal, find some team willing to give Minny a better player in exchange for Jaric, then we might have to ship that third team a chunk of our bench- Garcia, Martin, Corliss, Skinner- whoever they're interested in. Pipe dream, yeah, but I still like to think about it. A lot.

[BMiller52]

Reef, Peja, Garcia, Martin, 2x 1sts, corliss, for KG+Wally. Deal?

[kingsfan916]

Yeah but we'd have no center, SAR would have to go for one.
i think we should get olawakandi too w/ the trade

[Venom]

If we are getting KG then we must keep Bibby. Bibby will be an All-Star caliber player with a guy like KG. Brad would just be a nice center, and we would no longer fully utilize his skills with the ball going exclusively through KG. Brad's D may improve with KG around to provide weakside shotblocking, but what's the point? Also, KG has always done best when he's had a PG to run the two-man game with, which Bibby is excellent at.

If we can get KG though, it's a no brainer. We do not have a franchise player, which is a requirement to be successful in the NBA. He's still relatively healthy, and would give us another 4-5 year window to make a title run. This team, as constituted, is going no where. I've questioned his leadership qualities before, but when you can get a franchise guy you do it.

[captain bill]

If we are getting KG then we must keep Bibby. Bibby will be an All-Star caliber player with a guy like KG. Brad would just be a nice center, and we would no longer fully utilize his skills with the ball going exclusively through KG. Brad's D may improve with KG around to provide weakside shotblocking, but what's the point? Also, KG has always done best when he's had a PG to run the two-man game with, which Bibby is excellent at.

That makes no sense at all. This team usually had 2 passing big men to run the offense (Vlade/Webber, Vlade/Miller, Miller/Webb) when we were the most successful. Bibby mostly provided a lot of scoring, but the offense has always been run through the post. Also, if we do ship Bibby out, we may get Jaric in return (deal would need to be fleshed out much more.) Jaric/Garnett/Miller is 10 times better than Bibby/Garnett/(Kandi/Skinner) simply by virtue that they could run the offense to perfection AND still play some defense and have intensity.

[Kings113]

Alright, here's my personal ideal trade: Mike, Peja and SAR, or, if possible, Mike and SAR or Mike and Peja. Either way, put KG at C and Brad at PF. We have to great passing big men to initiate the offense, we really don't need a PG to run it. Allow us to play a guy like Jason Hart, or another aquisition, who can play D, rebound, do dirty work that is secondary to scoring and running the offense. Keep Bonzi onboard to continue to be a rebounding machine, give us some offense. Play KT at SF, where he can score a decent amount and give us some rebounds. If we could somehow keep Peja onboard that team would be absolutely unstoppable:
Hart
Bonzi
Peja
Brad
KG
Garnett cleaning up the boards, Brad shooting all the midrange jumpers, getting the ball out to Peja who burns everyone, Bonzi remains our power guard who gets all the boards that Kevin and Brad miss, Hart gives some extra defensive umph, and suddenly we forget how soft Peja is. And, as an added bonus, this team can score like none other. This would be tough to pull off- Bibby, Reef, Thomas for Garnett? Not really, since the Wolves already have Jaric. Then again, make it a 3-team deal, find some team willing to give Minny a better player in exchange for Jaric, then we might have to ship that third team a chunk of our bench- Garcia, Martin, Corliss, Skinner- whoever they're interested in. Pipe dream, yeah, but I still like to think about it. A lot.

That'd be incredible.

[KMart23]

jesus, get your head out of your rear end. why put your superstar PF at the center position and have your center at your PF position. so, essentially your gonna have brad miller guard quicker PF's like duncan? didn't you see when webb was out and vlade/miller front line against the spurs? duncan was toying with miller.... wait, he was ABUSING him. there was NO answer for duncan with miller on him. you don't put your superstar PF in the center position unless its last resort. your risking his health when you have a capable center in brad miller to take the punishment down low.

my offer would be...
i'd trade peja/brad/KT/scrub for KG/scrub.

you'd have a potent team in bibby, bonzi, KG, reef, skinner.
frontline + SG can all bang the boards. i wouldn't trade bibby. he's got another gear he switches to when the playoffs roll around. although he has defensive deficiencies... you cannot replace his point guard abilities. if his defender blows by him, you'd have reef, KG and skinner back there to make sure no easy layup would be made.

Alright, here's my personal ideal trade: Mike, Peja and SAR, or, if possible, Mike and SAR or Mike and Peja. Either way, put KG at C and Brad at PF. We have to great passing big men to initiate the offense, we really don't need a PG to run it. Allow us to play a guy like Jason Hart, or another aquisition, who can play D, rebound, do dirty work that is secondary to scoring and running the offense. Keep Bonzi onboard to continue to be a rebounding machine, give us some offense. Play KT at SF, where he can score a decent amount and give us some rebounds. If we could somehow keep Peja onboard that team would be absolutely unstoppable:
Hart
Bonzi
Peja
Brad
KG
Garnett cleaning up the boards, Brad shooting all the midrange jumpers, getting the ball out to Peja who burns everyone, Bonzi remains our power guard who gets all the boards that Kevin and Brad miss, Hart gives some extra defensive umph, and suddenly we forget how soft Peja is. And, as an added bonus, this team can score like none other. This would be tough to pull off- Bibby, Reef, Thomas for Garnett? Not really, since the Wolves already have Jaric. Then again, make it a 3-team deal, find some team willing to give Minny a better player in exchange for Jaric, then we might have to ship that third team a chunk of our bench- Garcia, Martin, Corliss, Skinner- whoever they're interested in. Pipe dream, yeah, but I still like to think about it. A lot.

[KMart23]

The magic of KG is that he's basically a center.

It's a position title ... nothing more.

I mean, is Miller REALLY a center?

You slide Reef or KG into the "center" role on offense and then play off of that.

don't make me laugh, dude-- they'd get abused down on the low block by bigger centers. when you have a deficiency like that they'll exploit it and you'd have to have some of the other players help by cheating off their man which in turns leaves you vulnerable at 2 spots.... center and the person that is cheating.

[thesanityannex]

jesus, get your head out of your rear end. why put your superstar PF at the center position and have your center at your PF position. so, essentially your gonna have brad miller guard quicker PF's like duncan? didn't you see when webb was out and vlade/miller front line against the spurs? duncan was toying with miller.... wait, he was ABUSING him. there was NO answer for duncan with miller on him. you don't put your superstar PF in the center position unless its last resort. your risking his health when you have a capable center in brad miller to take the punishment down low.

.Miller plays much better at the 4. And for your info, Duncan ABUSES everyone.

[Fillmoe]

there is no 2 player combination on the kings that would get us KG......

[SacTownKid]

Ahhh!!! The trade threads are here! I love this time of year.

Wait its only 2 weeks into the season!!! :eek:

Still, I will give it my best shot.

Here are some deals I would consider doing. I am not going for any KG deals because, Keving Garnett ain't coming here, and obliterating our roster for him will probably do more harm than good IMO.

Kenny Thomas is obviously going to be the talk of many trade ideas and for some fairly good reasons. His contract, his coming off the bench, his "attitude", etc. So I'll start with some ways I would go.

Deal # 1

Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes
Incoming

Tony Battie
6-11 C from Texas Tech
4.9 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 23.4 minutes

Orlando Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Tony Battie
6-11 C from Texas Tech
4.9 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 23.4 minutes

Incoming

Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes

Sac's reason: Kenny Thomas has a rather lengthy contract and would rather start then come off the bench. That won't happen with Reef in town. Tony Battie is a legit 7 footer that is pretty athletic for his size, and could match up well with the "Duncans" of the West. He is also expiring this year.

Orlando's reason: They are a bad team and Tony Battie doesn't compliment Dwight Howard in the least bit. Kenny would. The Magic are looking to turn Dwight into a legit post player and Kenny could be a good compliment with his outside shooting and ability to rebound out of his zone.

[Kings113]

I'd like Battie in Sac.

[Smart_guy3]

How bout this trade..

Outgoing:
Brad Miller

Incoming:
Marcus Camby

[Venom]

That makes no sense at all. This team usually had 2 passing big men to run the offense (Vlade/Webber, Vlade/Miller, Miller/Webb) when we were the most successful. Bibby mostly provided a lot of scoring, but the offense has always been run through the post. Also, if we do ship Bibby out, we may get Jaric in return (deal would need to be fleshed out much more.) Jaric/Garnett/Miller is 10 times better than Bibby/Garnett/(Kandi/Skinner) simply by virtue that they could run the offense to perfection AND still play some defense and have intensity.


Well, if you are going to get KG it will take two of our stars, and I think Bibby would play better w/ KG than Miller. Alot of that has to do with the particular leadership deficincies that I percieve in KG, but their differing style of play is big too. I also think that having a high-caliber PG in place would be paramount to keeping KG happy. Again, he performs best when he has a top-flight PG, be it Billups or Cassell.

[SacTownKid]

How bout this trade..

Outgoing:
Brad Miller

Incoming:
Marcus Camby

As long as Rick Adelman is the coach I don't expect to see Brad going anywhere.

[Smart_guy3]

As long as Rick Adelman is the coach I don't expect to see Brad going anywhere.

Well obviously; it won't be long until Rick is not the coach. If the Kings like I said struggle like they have by mid december RA will be gone and someone will replace him.

[D-Mass]

How bout this trade..

Outgoing:
Brad Miller

Incoming:
Marcus Camby

Why on Earth would Denver do that?

[SacTownKid]

Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes

Incoming

Jalen Rose
6-8 SG from Michigan
18.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.6 apg in 33.5 minutes

Aaron Williams
6-9 PF from Xavier
2.0 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 7.9 minutes

Joey Graham
6-7 from Oklahoma State


Toronto Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Jalen Rose
6-8 SG from Michigan
18.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.6 apg in 33.5 minutes

Aaron Williams
6-9 PF from Xavier
2.0 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 7.9 minutes

Joey Graham
6-7 from Oklahoma State
No games yet played in 2004/05

Incoming

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes

Sac reason: If Peja is gone (which I don't think is a given) then this is one of the most realistic deals I could think of if we dealt with Toronto (we ain't getting Bosh). Of course it hinges on how we do this season success wise. We lose Peja, which hurts, but we at least send out Kenny Thomas' deal with him. We aquire Jalen Roses' huge contract but this summer it will become extremely valuable as an expiring deal. Aaron Williams expires after this year. Plus we get a young prospect at the 3.

Tor reason: If they want Peja, they don't get him for free, and we aren't really getting much in return except a valuable contract and one that Toronto doesn't want. And a possible future star.

[Kings113]

I love Graham, I was wishfully thinking we'd get him in the draft. :)

[Bricklayer]

I love Graham, I was wishfully thinking we'd get him in the draft. :)

However I don't love him remotely enough to trade Peja for him and a turd like Rose.

Graham actually hasn't shown well in the early season. Hard to tell if its rookie stuff, the chaos in Toronto, or maybe he's just not going to be much.

[Smart_guy3]

However I don't love him remotely enough to trade Peja for him and a turd like Rose.

Graham actually hasn't shown well in the early season. Hard to tell if its rookie stuff, the chaos in Toronto, or maybe he's just not going to be much.

It has to be the chaos in Toronto, those guys up there rely on there rookies to do to much and that hurts there Rookies alot can you really blame them though? they have been building through draft for the past 3-4 years.

[VF21]

Well obviously; it won't be long until Rick is not the coach. If the Kings like I said struggle like they have by mid december RA will be gone and someone will replace him.

Obvious to whom? Not to me... and I'm willing to bet Petrie and the Maloofs aren't ready to pull the trigger on Adelman quite so soon.

Adelman is doing the right things so far. The team IS improving and the players ARE starting to gel. You don't get rid of a coach just because a team is struggling, especially when they're clearly beginning to look like there's still life...

[SacTownKid]

Obvious to whom? Not to me... and I'm willing to bet Petrie and the Maloofs aren't ready to pull the trigger on Adelman quite so soon.

Adelman is doing the right things so far. The team IS improving and the players ARE starting to gel. You don't get rid of a coach just because a team is struggling, especially when they're clearly beginning to look like there's still life...

Right on the money.

[Smart_guy3]

Obvious to whom? Not to me... and I'm willing to bet Petrie and the Maloofs aren't ready to pull the trigger on Adelman quite so soon.

Adelman is doing the right things so far. The team IS improving and the players ARE starting to gel. You don't get rid of a coach just because a team is struggling, especially when they're clearly beginning to look like there's still life...

How is Adelman doing the right things? he's been using the bench poorly hes been doing a poor job IMO. there is no doubt there is still life in this Season as I suggested that the Kings will play better at the 2nd half and can make a good run at the playoffs.

again my frustrations don't rely on RA just on this season it's been for a while now.

If this team is already looking for a new direction then they need to change there coach to start fresh right off the bat.

and clearly "IMO" if the Kings have a bad record; down the road December & January then the Maloofs will pull the trigger.

[thesanityannex]

Obvious to whom? Obviously to the smart guy. Like I said, its obvious "IMO". And clearly "IMO", its obvious.

[Smart_guy3]

LOL Sanity your a funny guy :)

[thesanityannex]

"IMO", obviously. Like I said.

[VF21]

How is Adelman doing the right things? he's been using the bench poorly hes been doing a poor job IMO. there is no doubt there is still life in this Season as I suggested that the Kings will play better at the 2nd half and can make a good run at the playoffs.

again my frustrations don't rely on RA just on this season it's been for a while now.

If this team is already looking for a new direction then they need to change there coach to start fresh right off the bat.

and clearly "IMO" if the Kings have a bad record; down the road December & January then the Maloofs will pull the trigger.

Yes, Adelman has been doing the right things. It's been especially evident the more games the team plays together. If you can't see it, I'm sorry...

Using the bench poorly? Dude, have you looked at our bench? It's not like Jimmy Jackson, Hedo, Bobby, etc. are sitting there frustrated because they're not getting much time...

Adelman is doing what pretty much ANY other coach in his position would do. He's using the first part of the season to determine what he has, how it can best be utilitized, etc. Only four of those guys were even in Kings uniforms at the beginning of last season. That's a tremendous turnover in personnel and it's going to take a while for them all to fit together properly.

As far as thesanityannex goes, he's pretty good at sarcasm...

Having watched this team for years, I think there are a lot of reasons to believe that Adelman is doing the right thing. And there are even more reasons to believe that the Maloofs aren't going to switch horses in mid-stream. At least not without real reason to do so.

A team struggling to find its identity but showing progress is nowhere near reason enough.

[BibityBobtyBoom]

we should wait a few mroe weeks then trade like crazy. pick up some good guys.

[HaraWish]

IMO..

just "In Petrie, We believe."

:cool:

[Bricklayer]

Just thought I'd throw this out there:

Word over here is that the Nets may be looking to move Zoran Planinic. Zoran who you say? And why should we care?

Well, Zoran is a young (23) Croatian 6'7" guard who is really more point guard than OG, but can play both. Not much of an athlete, plays old style Euro-defense unfortunately, but a creative fairly unselfish guard who can shoot (from everywhere but the line). Kings style player, both good and bad. I don't think he's ready to tear up the league or anything, but a guy who as a 6'7" backup PG could help, or as a creative OG with size could do a lot of the things Doug could do, and add in shooting as well.

Like most of these things, highly unlikely. And even if it did happen, minor in impact. But purely from a stylistic standpoint not out of the question.

[Kings113]

However I don't love him remotely enough to trade Peja for him and a turd like Rose.

Graham actually hasn't shown well in the early season. Hard to tell if its rookie stuff, the chaos in Toronto, or maybe he's just not going to be much.

Neither do I. I was just commenting on him.

No, he hasn't been much so far, but that doesn't mean he's done for the season.

I highly doubt it on the last part. I think it's the scene in Toronto while being a rookie, bad combo.

[Bricklayer]

I highly doubt it on the last part. I think it's the scene in Toronto while being a rookie, bad combo.

tell that to Charlie. :)

[Kings113]

tell that to Charlie. :)

Villanueva is a different player, and he wasn't shuffled around the rotation like Joey's been so far (for example, in the middle of Mo Pete vs. management). Also, Villanueva has that chip on his shoulder, has ever since he heard those reporters and analysts bad-mouth being picked at 7. Along with having a great pre-season and Joey not playing in all the games then. I think Joey's just adjusting to this level, I'm not writing Graham off because of his first 11 NBA games and being in Toronto, to any degree. ;)

[thesanityannex]

would anyone be opposed to offering spreewell a ten day contract and see how he'd play?

[Smart_guy3]

Sprewell? no way the Kings already said they don't want him we don't need any cancer players on this team.

The only team I see Sprewell going to is the Bobcats and Houston but I'm not sure if they would want him maybe Houston since they wanted him before Derek Anderson didn't sign with the Rockets.

But please keep Sprewell away from this team.

[Venom]

Just thought I'd throw this out there:

Word over here is that the Nets may be looking to move Zoran Planinic. Zoran who you say? And why should we care?

Well, Zoran is a young (23) Croatian 6'7" guard who is really more point guard than OG, but can play both. Not much of an athlete, plays old style Euro-defense unfortunately, but a creative fairly unselfish guard who can shoot (from everywhere but the line). Kings style player, both good and bad. I don't think he's ready to tear up the league or anything, but a guy who as a 6'7" backup PG could help, or as a creative OG with size could do a lot of the things Doug could do, and add in shooting as well.

Like most of these things, highly unlikely. And even if it did happen, minor in impact. But purely from a stylistic standpoint not out of the question.


I remember him, he shot up the draft charts a year or two ago, after the Chicago camp. Would you give up a second for him? Or someone like Corliss/KT?

[Gary]

Peja - Bibby - KT, or Corliss to Indiana for Jermaine O'Neal - Anthony Johnson or J. Tinsley..

Would be

c-Miller
pf-O'Neal
sf-SAR
sg-Wells
pg-Tinsley or Johnson or Hart

The problem with this lineup is we have no outside threat, so maybe we could do a 3 team thing with Cleveland or something, and try to get Damon Jones. Maybe send Wells or something. Geez, I wish we never let Hedo go.

[D-Mass]

Peja - Bibby - KT, or Corliss to Indiana for Jermaine O'Neal - Anthony Johnson or J. Tinsley..

Would be

c-Miller
pf-O'Neal
sf-SAR
sg-Wells
pg-Tinsley or Johnson or Hart

The problem with this lineup is we have no outside threat, so maybe we could do a 3 team thing with Cleveland or something, and try to get Damon Jones. Maybe send Wells or something. Geez, I wish we never let Hedo go.

The other problem is that Indiana would never do it.

[Kings113]

would anyone be opposed to offering spreewell a ten day contract and see how he'd play?

As it's been said and reported already, Spree isn't taking anything below a multi-year deal, including vet. min. and below. He's out of the picture for us.

[Gary]

The other problem is that Indiana would never do it.

Bibby, Peja, and skinner/kt, or corliss would benefit both sides I believe. Artest could slide to SG, play Peja at SF, and either Start Pollard at C, or Croshere at PF. Bibby would be their PG (who is better than tinsley, and johnson). They can trade Jackson and Tinsley for a C or PF type player.

But yah it is far fetched. I can see Indiana shaking things up though if they don't win it all w/in the next few years.

[Bricklayer]

Bibby, Peja, and skinner/kt, or corliss would benefit both sides I believe. Artest could slide to SG, play Peja at SF, and either Start Pollard at C, or Croshere at PF. Bibby would be their PG (who is better than tinsley, and johnson). They can trade Jackson and Tinsley for a C or PF type player.

But yah it is far fetched. I can see Indiana shaking things up though if they don't win it all w/in the next few years.

Shaking up is one thing -- but trading their franchise player? VERY difficult to imagine. Long long season. Unless it looks they are going to actually miss the playoffs and the wheels are falling off, its hard to see Jermaine going anywhere unless it be for KG (and I only say the latter just because one of resident Indiana fans suggested it).

[Kings113]

Ruben Patterson couldn't believe what he was hearing Wednesday: After being told Monday to leave the Trail Blazers, the team now said it was going to suspend him for two games.
"For what?" an incredulous Patterson said Wednesday from his home in Columbus, Ohio. "They are the ones who told me to go home, so I went home. They are the ones who put me on the inactive list. I don't know what else to do. I mean, since they ain't going to play me, why don't they just trade me?"
Patterson could be traded today, his agent says, if Trail Blazers general manager John Nash was willing.
http://ads.oregonlive.com/RealMedia/ads/adstream_nx.ads/www.oregonlive.com/xml/story/sp/spkb/@StoryAd?x (http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/)"There is not only interest in Ruben, there are trades out there," agent Dan Fegan said. "Two weeks ago New York offered Malik Rose; yeah, that's right, they offered a trade, but John Nash only wants short-term contracts. He could trade Ruben tomorrow."
Nash, however, is sticking to his game plan of making trades that are responsible, both from a fiscal and competitive standpoint. He said he is hopeful but skeptical a trade can be found that meets his parameters.
"We are hoping his agent can come up with something," Nash said.
The suspension was retroactive to Tuesday's game at Memphis, and coupled with Wednesday's game at Miami, Patterson no longer is suspended, only inactive. Nash said the Blazers came to the decision to suspend Patterson on Tuesday, taking an extra day after sending him home to review the facts.
The NBA played a part in the decision, voicing concern Monday that the Blazers were using the inactive list as a way to punish a player, which was against the spirit of the guidelines outlined in the new collective-bargaining agreement. However, Nash said the team was leaning toward suspending Patterson after Sunday's incident.
Patterson, who stands to lose $115,512 in salary, said he will file an appeal with the players association. He said Sunday's incident is being blown out of proportion.
"I didn't cuss Nate out like everybody thinks," Patterson said. "I did go at it with Nate, and I used some swear words, but I didn't cuss him out."

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/sports/113280451175190.xml&coll=7&thispage=1

Interesting, iffy stuff there in Portland.

I'd like to see Patterson in Sac :).

[Bricklayer]

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/sports/113280451175190.xml&coll=7&thispage=1

Interesting, iffy stuff there in Portland.

I'd like to see Patterson in Sac :).

You would?? :eek:

[Kings113]

Yup, wouldn't mind it, and like him as a player. I also think Sac would be a great change of scenery for him from what he's had up in Portland.

[BMiller52]

NO PATTERSON IN SACTO. HE IS A BAD PERSON WITH NO MORALS. I don't know if mentioning what he did is appropriate on this site, I don't care if he got punished, HE'S GARBAGE. He's garbage as a person. Add him and the lockerroom explodes like a volcano.

[Kings113]

Indeed. I was just talking about as a player, and don't think/wouldn't expect the behavior to be a problem.

[BMiller52]

Indeed. I was just talking about as a player, and don't think the behavior would be a problem.


How could you want that guy on the team with what he's done though?

[Kings113]

How could you want that guy on the team with what he's done though?

I've already stated how I feel on that.

[BMiller52]

I've already stated how I feel on that.


Whatever, he's a PSYCHO. Zach Randolph and him got into a fight a while back, Zach punched him in the face and patterson tried to murder him. Zach Randolph had to hide out at dale davis' house. We don't need a guy like Ruben, if we do I'd prefer it wasn't ruben.

[VF21]

The Kings will NOT bring Patterson to Sacramento. It will not happen. The mere idea that some Kings fans would actually want him here, considering everything that has gone on with him, makes me a little sick to my stomach.

The Kings are a sports team. You have to draw the line somewhere on just how much you'll forgive to see someone on that team, regardless of how "good" they might be.

1. Patterson isn't THAT good.
2. Sorry, but the line I draw is way ABOVE the R. Pattersons of the world.

[Diabeticwonder]

While most Kings fans like to hate on Shaq, Kobe and Finley...they are all better persons by far than Patterson. Ruben truly is a bad person.

[Kings113]

In relation, David Aldridge (Inside NBA) is saying Patterson/Najera trade could happen.

I don't really get that, Denver already have a ton of swingmen, and Najera is good there and is a crowd favorite (anywhere of course).

[6th]

While most Kings fans like to hate on Shaq, Kobe and Finley...they are all better persons by far than Patterson. Ruben truly is a bad person.

I don't like Shaq. I really can't stand Kobe. And Finley made me say that. But, Ruben Patterson is in a league of his own. No, let me rephrase that. He should be in a league of his own.....not the NBA - IMHO.:eek:

[VF21]

He should be in a league of his own.....not the NBA - IMHO.:eek:

He should be playing for the Washington State Penal System IMHO.

[Coach]

Portland is in Oregon.

[VF21]

Okay, Oregon should deport him to Washington, which is colder, so he can serve his sentence there.

;)

[VF21]

BUMP!

Here's hoping that instead of people posting their trade scenarios in a plethora of other threads, they'll use this one...

;)

[BMiller52]

How about we S&T Peja to orlando for grant hill? Hill will have a huge expiring contract that year to go with our other players, maybe we can dump tough luck kenny thomas on them too and get like jameer nelson or something? We're lined up for huge capspace in 07, hill, although injury prone, is still awesome. Bosh, DWade, Melo, LeBron, some other good players like nowitzki are good FA's. If we can keep adelman and one of those players are on losing teams(expect most to get locked up, but dirk will opt out of his contract) so they won't want to sign an extension-we can tempt them with a playoff ready roster and a good coach with some promising young players who are good teammates(KMart+Cisco). Say if we got Bosh, we can move Shareef for someone else thats a real good player. If the nuggets are still playing like they are now, expect Melo to bolt-same with LeBron. Also, California IMO has pretty good weather and isn't too far from the beach. We also have good resturaunts, I just saw 2 of the kings players(reef+jason hart) at the same resturaunt I went to w/ the rest of my family for lunch. Dirk gets more money by using the option to opt out of his contract in 2007. Dwyane Wade might want to leave if the heat still haven't won anything-doubtful he'll leave but probable they won't win a chip IMO, Detroit and SA are clearly better.

[AriesMar27]

i love this team but...... why in the hell would lebron or wade want to come here?

[BMiller52]

i love this team but...... why in the hell would lebron or wade want to come here?

If Cleveland is still losing... I have a friend who lives in Ohio/near Cleveland and he hates it-everything about it. Especially the weather. I love california weather. Wade wouldn't but just mentioning he'd be an FA. Him+Old shaq's contract is crippling for Miami though.

[SLAB]

This isn't a trade, but more of a suggestion...

I think the Kings need a new back-up point...Jason Hart has been terrible, and unfortunatly I don't see much improvment.

MY patience is wearing thin, so I have a few suggestions.

http://hoopshype.com/players/omar_cook.jpg 1: Omar Cook

http://hoopshype.com/players/omar_cook.htm
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/omar_cook/

http://hoopshype.com/players/jamison_brewer.jpg 2: Jamison Brewer

http://hoopshype.com/players/jamison_brewer.htm
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jamison_brewer/index.html

http://hoopshype.com/players/tito_maddox.jpg 3: Tito Maddox

http://hoopshype.com/players/tito_maddox.htm
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tito_maddox/

http://hoopshype.com/players/vonteego_cummings.jpg 4: Vonteego Cummings

http://hoopshype.com/players/vonteego_cummings.htm
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/vonteego_cummings/index.html
http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/vonteego_cummings/index.html

Compare that too...

Jason Hart

http://hoopshype.com/players/jason_hart.htm
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jason_hart/index.html

Well...Really only Cook (who I really like) and Cummings have had some success in the league...But all the aforementioned players are good defensive players. Also, all (minus the long-shot Cummings) are younger than Hart, and potentially could develop an offensive game.

I think if given the opportunity, Cook could be a good bench player. Same could be said for Brewer, if he stays away from shooting the ball to much, and plays within himself.

Maddox would be a complete experiment.

And Vonteego would give Cisco/Martin a vetran to lead them into battle. HE knows about the league, and could provide some guidance possibly.

Hmm...Just something to ponder upon.

[4cwebb]

If Cleveland is still losing... I have a friend who lives in Ohio/near Cleveland and he hates it-everything about it. Especially the weather. I love california weather. Wade wouldn't but just mentioning he'd be an FA. Him+Old shaq's contract is crippling for Miami though.

Did your friend grow up in the Cleveland area like Lebron? Just curious.

All I've heard out of the Lebron camp (some of which, if not most, is probably spin) in the national media is that he's planning on staying and taking his shot at bringing glory back to the Cleveland/Akron area.

[KingKong]

Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes

Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
9.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.0 apg in 25.5 minutes

Incoming

Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes

Marcus Banks
6-2 PG from UNLV
4.6 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.1 minutes
Change in team outlook: -14.2 ppg, -2.5 rpg, and -1.9 apg.

Why the Kings do this?- The Kings get a legitimate superstar floor leader in PP along with a defensive guard backup for Mike Bibby. There's a huge chance Peja sign with another team at season's end, while PP has only 2 years left on his contract.

Boston Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes

Marcus Banks
6-2 PG from UNLV
4.6 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.1 minutes
Incoming

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes

Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
9.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.0 apg in 25.5 minutes

Why Boston agrees? The Truth has been around for a long time and it hasn't gotten the Celts anywhere... they are in rebuilding mode.... why not have some proven vets mixed in with the young ones giving them a change of pace. Also they get one of the best shooter in the league in Peja, which is lacking on the team.

Lineups

Boston

PG Delonte West/ Jason Hart/ Dickau
SG Tony Allen/ Ricky Davis
SF Peja Stojakovic/ Corliss Williamson/ Justin Reed
PF Al Jefferson/ Ryan Gomes
C Raef LaFrentz/ Mark Blount\ Kendrick Perkins

Sacramento

PG Mike Bibby/ Marcus Banks/ Ronnie Price
SG Bonzi Wells/ Kevin Martin
SF Paul Pierce/ Fransico Garcia
PF Shareef Abdur Rahim/ Kenny Thomas
C Brad Miller/ Skinner/ Sampson

[KMart23]

isn't the celtics in rebuilding mode? they got some nice pieces. i'd assume they'd trade PP for a young stud instead of peja. jmo

Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes

Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
9.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.0 apg in 25.5 minutes

Incoming

Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes

Marcus Banks
6-2 PG from UNLV
4.6 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.1 minutes
Change in team outlook: -14.2 ppg, -2.5 rpg, and -1.9 apg.

Why the Kings do this?- The Kings get a legitimate superstar floor leader in PP along with a defensive guard backup for Mike Bibby. There's a huge chance Peja sign with another team at season's end, while PP has only 2 years left on his contract.

Boston Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes

Marcus Banks
6-2 PG from UNLV
4.6 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.1 minutes
Incoming

Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes

Jason Hart
6-3 PG from Syracuse
9.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.0 apg in 25.5 minutes

Why Boston agrees? The Truth has been around for a long time and it hasn't gotten the Celts anywhere... they are in rebuilding mode.... why not have some proven vets mixed in with the young ones giving them a change of pace. Also they get one of the best shooter in the league in Peja, which is lacking on the team.

Lineups

Boston

PG Delonte West/ Jason Hart/ Dickau
SG Tony Allen/ Ricky Davis
SF Peja Stojakovic/ Corliss Williamson/ Justin Reed
PF Al Jefferson/ Ryan Gomes
C Raef LaFrentz/ Mark Blount\ Kendrick Perkins

Sacramento

PG Mike Bibby/ Marcus Banks/ Ronnie Price
SG Bonzi Wells/ Kevin Martin
SF Paul Pierce/ Fransico Garcia
PF Shareef Abdur Rahim/ Kenny Thomas
C Brad Miller/ Skinner/ Sampson

[CaminoChaos]

The Kings will NOT bring Patterson to Sacramento. It will not happen. The mere idea that some Kings fans would actually want him here, considering everything that has gone on with him, makes me a little sick to my stomach.

The Kings are a sports team. You have to draw the line somewhere on just how much you'll forgive to see someone on that team, regardless of how "good" they might be.

1. Patterson isn't THAT good.
2. Sorry, but the line I draw is way ABOVE the R. Pattersons of the world.

They brought in Webber, J-Will, B-Jax and Bonzi who all had minor to major off court problems in College and/or Pros. So I think that character isn't the biggest issue with the front office.

[kingsofnba]

here's another paul pierce trade idea... trade Peja, Skinner and Corliss (or KT) for Paul Pierce and Mark Blount... the celtics have been trying to get out from under Blount's contract and he is stirring things up in Boston again... the kings would prbably have to package Peja, Corliss, and Skinner (instead of KT) because Boston wants only short term contracts in return... if the kings can make this trade happen, the kings would be a very tough team to beat... the kings would all of the sudden be a hard-nosed team with Wells and Pierce...

Kings:

PF SAR / Thomas
SF Pierce/ Garcia
C Miller/ Blount/ Sampson
SG Wells/ Martin
PG Bibby/ Hart/ Price

[Bricklayer]

The thing about Pierce ideas now is that it would only INCREASE our massive shots crunch. I was all in favor of the idea a year ago or whatnot when we had shots to spare and were looking for a new #1. But now the only way to let him get enough shots to be Paul Pierce is by stealing even more from the other guys than Peja has been. That doesn't necesarily mean I don't do it, but it does mean that just throwing on another offensive weapon isn't going to have quite the effect we would like it too. Its all about fit/needs. If we bring in a major shot-taker we almost have to trade away two of our current good but not great scorers to free up looks for him.

[Kings113]

I'm always up for Pierce in Sac :)

Like those Boston ideas..

They brought in Webber, J-Will, B-Jax and Bonzi who all had minor to major off court problems in College and/or Pros. So I think that character isn't the biggest issue with the front office.

Indeed.

[sactown_draftpick]

why dont we try n get penny's contract from newyork with the big nasty <a larry brown fav.> and skinners contract

[BK_KingsFan7]

What do you guys think of this trade?:

Kenny Thomas
Corliss Williamson

FOR

Raef LaFrentz
Justin Reed

Why for us: We get a player with size (6'11) who can give us scoring off the bench, can play two positions (PF and C) and has great shot-blocking ability. We also get a good defensive SF/PF in Justin Reed.

[G_M]

why dont we try n get penny's contract from newyork with the big nasty <a larry brown fav.> and skinners contract

I thought of that myself but it doesn't work, at least under the REAL GM trade checker. I think you might have to give a little more to make it owrk.

[Bricklayer]

What do you guys think of this trade?:

Kenny Thomas
Corliss Williamson

FOR

Raef LaFrentz
Justin Reed

Why for us: We get a player with size (6'11) who can give us scoring off the bench, can play two positions (PF and C) and has great shot-blocking ability. We also get a good defensive SF/PF in Justin Reed.

What's the "why" for them? Takes two to tango --"here take our tweener forwards with bad contracts to squish your youth movement" only has limited appeal unless you beleive in the "flexibility" doctrine. ;)

[piksi]

What's the "why" for them? Takes two to tango --"here take our tweener forwards with bad contracts to squish your youth movement" only has limited appeal unless you beleive in the "flexibility" doctrine. ;)

Danny Ainge might

[Bricklayer]

I thought of that myself but it doesn't work, at least under the REAL GM trade checker. I think you might have to give a little more to make it owrk.

If we're going to contract dump, make one of them Thomas since he's got the real poison pill, and probably keep Skinner since without him we are impossibly shallow at C pending Brad's annual 2nd half injury.

[Bricklayer]

Danny Ainge might

Funny thing happened on my way to my annual Ainge-bashing this summer -- all of a sudden I loked up at his roster and realized that he might actully know what he's doing after all. Not that he's a good judge of talent -- indeed I think the failure of most of his kids is going to end up scuttling everything unless the myth of Al Jefferson actually decides to start living up to billing. But that one way or the other he has slowly, almost sneakily, built a team in rebuilding mode with a shallow layer of steady vets sitting atop a pile of young talent. If the kids were actually for real, it would almsot be time for a good GM to liquidate the vets and turn the keys over to the next generation. Unfortunately Ainge appears to draft like Dick Motta, and there is no next generation worthy of actually getting the minutes.

[DavisAggie]

What do you guys think of this trade?:

Kenny Thomas
Corliss Williamson

FOR

Raef LaFrentz
Justin Reed

Why for us: We get a player with size (6'11) who can give us scoring off the bench, can play two positions (PF and C) and has great shot-blocking ability. We also get a good defensive SF/PF in Justin Reed.

Raef is owed over 45 million within the next 4 years; no thank you!

[Bricklayer]

Raef is owed over 45 million within the next 4 years; no thank you!

Well look at it this way -- Corliss/Kenny are going to be owed about $40 mil over that same period.



P.S. BTW I think at this point anybody sugesting anything less than KG for Bosh is probably just going to be laughed at by Toronto. Then again, it is Pete Babcock, so guess there's always a chance gambling on his stupidity.

[Fillmoe]

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Peja Stojakovic (http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=442405#)
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Jamal Sampson
6-11 PF from California
3.4 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 14.3 minutes
Incoming
Eddie Griffin (http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=442405#)
6-10 PF from Seton Hall
7.5 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.3 minutes
Trenton Hassell
6-5 SG from Austin Peay
6.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.6 apg in 25.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: -9.4 ppg, -0.4 rpg, and -0.1 apg.


Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Eddie Griffin
6-10 PF from Seton Hall
7.5 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.3 minutes
Trenton Hassell
6-5 SG from Austin Peay
6.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.6 apg in 25.2 minutes
Incoming
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Jamal Sampson
6-11 PF from California
3.4 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 0.4 apg in 14.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +9.4 ppg, +0.4 rpg, and +0.1 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to Sacramento and Minnesota being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Minnesota had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.



we need a better bench.. hassell and griffin off the bench would make our bench alot better.... i like what i see in garcia and he should be a starter... given time hes gonna be a great player



what yall think?

[BK_KingsFan7]

Raef's contract ends a year earlier than Kenny's.

[DavisAggie]

Well look at it this way -- Corliss/Kenny are going to be owed about $40 mil over that same period.

Good point, but Corliss and Kenny make up two contacts we can possibly move, not the one giant contacat Raef signed. After all, isn't that one of the reason we got rid of Webber's contact.

And good point about Bosh; an obvious point but it needed to be said (written).

[DavisAggie]

what yall think?

Cisco will be strong off the bench one day, but replacing Peja with Cisco doesn’t get me excited about a Championship in the near future. I feel Peja fits the needs a lot of teams are looking for, so why trade him for less than high market value?

[BMiller52]

Did your friend grow up in the Cleveland area like Lebron? Just curious.

All I've heard out of the Lebron camp (some of which, if not most, is probably spin) in the national media is that he's planning on staying and taking his shot at bringing glory back to the Cleveland/Akron area.


What area of ohio did LeBron grow up in?

[macadocious]

Here is the Trade that helps us and is feasible.

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Incoming
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: -1.9 ppg, +0.8 rpg, and +2.6 apg.


Boston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutes
Incoming
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +1.9 ppg, -0.8 rpg, and -2.6 apg.

[Wuster]

Here is the Trade that helps us and is feasible.

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Incoming
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: -1.9 ppg, +0.8 rpg, and +2.6 apg.


Boston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutes
Incoming
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +1.9 ppg, -0.8 rpg, and -2.6 apg.

tempting...

[Team Dime]

Here is the Trade that helps us and is feasible.

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Incoming
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: -1.9 ppg, +0.8 rpg, and +2.6 apg.


Boston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutes
Incoming
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +1.9 ppg, -0.8 rpg, and -2.6 apg.

Bye Peja. "Don't let the door hit ya in the a$$ on the way out".

[VF21]

Here is the Trade that helps us and is feasible.

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Incoming
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: -1.9 ppg, +0.8 rpg, and +2.6 apg.


Boston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutes
Incoming
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +1.9 ppg, -0.8 rpg, and -2.6 apg.

Care to share the secret of just HOW you're going to get the Celtics to pull the trigger on this deal????

;)

GET ER DUN!!!!!

[zeke04]

Care to share the secret of just HOW you're going to get the Celtics to pull the trigger on this deal?

two words.

DANNY AINGE!;)

[BK_KingsFan7]

OK here's another trade....

Kenny Thomas

FOR

Dan Gadzuric
Reece Gaines

Why for us: Gadzuric isn't getting any playing time with the arrival of Bogut and Magloire and he's exactly the type of player we need coming off the bench. He's 6'11, very fast and athletic for a big man, a tenacious rebounder and shot-blocker, and can play the 4 or the 5. Gaines is just a filler.

Why for them: I don't know. I guess they could use his versatility and rebounding. :confused:

[LPKingsFan]

Why for us: Gadzuric isn't getting any playing time with the arrival of Bogut and Magloire and he's exactly the type of player we need coming off the bench. He's 6'11, very fast and athletic for a big man, a tenacious rebounder and shot-blocker, and can play the 4 or the 5. Gaines is just a filler.

Why for them: I don't know. I guess they could use his versatility and rebounding. :confused:

Nice try. I wish they would buy it. ;)

Gadz is a guy I advocated for this summer, and I think he'd fit the mold of our ideal 3rd big man. But don't know what Thomas could bring that they're looking for.

[6th]

But don't know what Thomas could bring that they're looking for.

A ridiculously large contract?


err...........never mind. ;)

[Bballkingsrock]

Here is the Trade that helps us and is feasible.

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Incoming
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: -1.9 ppg, +0.8 rpg, and +2.6 apg.


Boston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Paul Pierce
6-6 SF from Kansas
21.6 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.2 apg in 36.1 minutes
Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
9.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.0 minutes
Incoming
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +1.9 ppg, -0.8 rpg, and -2.6 apg.

I would do that in a second!

[sactown_draftpick]

Sacramento-Toronto-Newyork Trade

Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Incoming
Anfernee Hardaway
6-7 SG from Memphis
7.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 24.2 minutes
Chris Bosh
6-10 PF from Georgia Tech
16.8 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 37.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: -9.3 ppg, -2.1 rpg, and -0.0 apg.


New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Anfernee Hardaway
6-7 SG from Memphis
7.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 24.2 minutes
Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
14.9 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.0 minutes
Incoming
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes
Jalen Rose
6-8 SG from Michigan
18.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.6 apg in 33.5 minutes
Change in team outlook: +7.6 ppg, +1.4 rpg, and +0.2 apg.


Toronto Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Jalen Rose
6-8 SG from Michigan
18.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.6 apg in 33.5 minutes
Chris Bosh
6-10 PF from Georgia Tech
16.8 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 37.2 minutes
Incoming
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes
Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
14.9 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 36.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: +1.7 ppg, +0.7 rpg, and -0.2 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to Sacramento, New York, and Toronto being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento, New York, and Toronto had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

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What do you guyz think?

[nbrans]

Toronto is not trading Bosh. Period.

[nbrans]

I've been thinking about possible Peja midseason trades. Now, bear in mind that these aren't "dream" trades, I'm trying to keep them as realistic as possible.

I think it's pretty safe to say that the Kings would try their best to avoid trading Peja to a Western Conference team. The only team that I could possibly see the Kings trading Peja to would be Denver, since they so badly need a shooter, and if the Kings were to pry Nene from them, who knows. Of course, Nene is coming off a knee injury and is a restricted free agent, so the Kings would basically be trading Peja for the ability to match an offer for Nene. Since the Kings are pretty well over the cap next year and want to avoid the luxury tax, I'd say this is an unlikely scenario.

So who could the Kings trade Peja to? I'd say the most likely destinations are Chicago, Miami and New York.

There's a really tricky formula for a possible Peja trade. Since Peja could sign anywhere after the offseason, what team would want to run the risk of Peja signing somewhere else in the offseason? The only exceptions to this (that I could think of) would be if the Kings traded Peja to:

1) a team that had a real sense that Peja would sign with them in the offseason (Chicago)
2) a team that wants to use Peja for a one-shot title run (Miami)
3) a team rich enough to afford the risk of Peja bolting in the offseason with the hopes that Peja would either sign with them or yield a sign and trade deal (New York)

Ok, so, Chicago. If the reports are true and Peja really does want to sign with Chicago, the Kings don't have a lot of leverage. The only reason Chicago would conceivably trade for Peja during the season rather than waiting for the offseason is so they could retain his Bird rights and sign him for more than any other team. This would give them some insurance rather than going into the offseason hoping that he signs with them for less money or being forced into a sign and trade, in which case they'd have to give up more in salary (and probably talent) in order to make it happen. But ultimately, if Peja really wants to go to Chicago and he doesn't care about the money, then there's not much the Kings can do.

Since Chicago is basically trading for insurance and could wait to try their luck in the offseason, I'm not sure that they would give up that much in a midseason trade. I think they'd try to stick to Nocioni or Deng and salary filler.

So Peja to Chicago scenario:

Chicago picks up Peja

Kings pick up Andres Nocioni, Erik Piatkowski (expiring contract), 1st round draft pick

I don't think Kingsland likes it, but if Peja really wants to go to Chicago the trade is probably going to be something ugly like this.

Next up, Miami. Miami needs a shooter. They don't have a consistent 3 with Posey and Antoine freakin' Walker splitting time, and if they plug Peja in at the 3 they just might have a starting five that will get Miami the title. If not, adios Peja in the offseason. Unfortunately for the Kings, Miami doesn't have a whole lot of appealing trade pieces. Also, Udonis Haslem is a base year player, so it would be very difficult for the Kings to get him.

Possible Miami trade:

Miami gets Peja

Kings get James Posey, Dorrell Wright, Wayne Simien

Last but not least, the Knicks. And when Isiah is making a trade, who knows what's going to happan. The Knicks have a ton of trade assets and might even be crazy enough to take on Kenny Thomas as well, so the possible trades are a lot greater. One reason I think New York might be a team that decides to go for Peja is because of their strategy of amassing as many big contracts as possible and not worrying about the luxury tax. If the players they sign for big money don't pan out they can just wait until those deals are expiring and trade them for talent, just like they did with Antonio Davis.

Possible trade:

New York gets Peja

Kings get Quentin Richardson, David Lee, Trevor Ariza.

If the Kings are looking like they're headed toward the playoffs in January it's unlikely they'll get rid of Peja. If they're still struggling, who knows, it might be time to guard against losing Peja for nothing.

[Kings241]

I've been thinking about possible Peja midseason trades. Now, bear in mind that these aren't "dream" trades, I'm trying to keep them as realistic as possible.

I think it's pretty safe to say that the Kings would try their best to avoid trading Peja to a Western Conference team. The only team that I could possibly see the Kings trading Peja to would be Denver, since they so badly need a shooter, and if the Kings were to pry Nene from them, who knows. Of course, Nene is coming off a knee injury and is a restricted free agent, so the Kings would basically be trading Peja for the ability to match an offer for Nene. Since the Kings are pretty well over the cap next year and want to avoid the luxury tax, I'd say this is an unlikely scenario.

So who could the Kings trade Peja to? I'd say the most likely destinations are Chicago, Miami and New York.

There's a really tricky formula for a possible Peja trade. Since Peja could sign anywhere after the offseason, what team would want to run the risk of Peja signing somewhere else in the offseason? The only exceptions to this (that I could think of) would be if the Kings traded Peja to:

1) a team that had a real sense that Peja would sign with them in the offseason (Chicago)
2) a team that wants to use Peja for a one-shot title run (Miami)
3) a team rich enough to afford the risk of Peja bolting in the offseason with the hopes that Peja would either sign with them or yield a sign and trade deal (New York)

Ok, so, Chicago. If the reports are true and Peja really does want to sign with Chicago, the Kings don't have a lot of leverage. The only reason Chicago would conceivably trade for Peja during the season rather than waiting for the offseason is so they could retain his Bird rights and sign him for more than any other team. This would give them some insurance rather than going into the offseason hoping that he signs with them for less money or being forced into a sign and trade, in which case they'd have to give up more in salary (and probably talent) in order to make it happen. But ultimately, if Peja really wants to go to Chicago and he doesn't care about the money, then there's not much the Kings can do.

Since Chicago is basically trading for insurance and could wait to try their luck in the offseason, I'm not sure that they would give up that much in a midseason trade. I think they'd try to stick to Nocioni or Deng and salary filler.

So Peja to Chicago scenario:

Chicago picks up Peja

Kings pick up Andres Nocioni, Erik Piatkowski (expiring contract), 1st round draft pick

I don't think Kingsland likes it, but if Peja really wants to go to Chicago the trade is probably going to be something ugly like this.

Next up, Miami. Miami needs a shooter. They don't have a consistent 3 with Posey and Antoine freakin' Walker splitting time, and if they plug Peja in at the 3 they just might have a starting five that will get Miami the title. If not, adios Peja in the offseason. Unfortunately for the Kings, Miami doesn't have a whole lot of appealing trade pieces. Also, Udonis Haslem is a base year player, so it would be very difficult for the Kings to get him.

Possible Miami trade:

Miami gets Peja

Kings get James Posey, Dorrell Wright, Wayne Simien

Last but not least, the Knicks. And when Isiah is making a trade, who knows what's going to happan. The Knicks have a ton of trade assets and might even be crazy enough to take on Kenny Thomas as well, so the possible trades are a lot greater. One reason I think New York might be a team that decides to go for Peja is because of their strategy of amassing as many big contracts as possible and not worrying about the luxury tax. If the players they sign for big money don't pan out they can just wait until those deals are expiring and trade them for talent, just like they did with Antonio Davis.

Possible trade:

New York gets Peja

Kings get Quentin Richardson, David Lee, Trevor Ariza.

If the Kings are looking like they're headed toward the playoffs in January it's unlikely they'll get rid of Peja. If they're still struggling, who knows, it might be time to guard against losing Peja for nothing.

Nice Post :) I totally agree, if we keep playing like this there is no need to keep Peja and a trade will be good for the team but if they do turn things around then they will Keep Peja and probably sign and trade during off season for someone with equal value.

[LA King Fan II]

The more I think about it, it really has to be Bibby and Miller (both) that go. IMO they are the only players we could get quality players for in return.

I realize it isn't going to be the "Kings" anymore, but unfortunately that is already the case. The team as it is simply puts its marbles on Bibby getting hot from the outside. Miller does some nice things offensively, but does not play like a center. At all. It has 41-41 written all over it.

[Bricklayer]

The more I think about it, it really has to be Bibby and Miller (both) that go. IMO they are the only players we could get quality players for in return.


Er...? Neither of those guys has much more value than a Peja or a SAR, and are pretty system specific to boot.

[BMiller52]

Er...? Neither of those guys has much more value than a Peja or a SAR, and are pretty system specific to boot.


So it's settled, trade Peja and SAR?

[LA King Fan II]

Good point. I could come up with these "fits" according to me.

Bibby would change Houston and the Lakers into a playoff teams.
Miller at Miami (instead of Doleac) and at New Jersey as another scorer.

I dunno. We've got a bunch of B+ players. It's hard to imagine getting the star-type we need under any scenario. IMO biggest woulda-coulda-shoulda of all for Kings was not getting Jermaine O'Neal once upon a time for Webber.

[LA King Fan II]

I want Stromile Swift, Lamar Odom and Earl Watson. How do we get em?

[Bricklayer]

I want Stromile Swift, Lamar Odom and Earl Watson. How do we get em?

Watson is easy.

Not sure if Swift has disappointed enough yet that you could get him for Thomas, but its possible I suppose. Otherwise he costs you Shareef, and we already made that call this summer.

Odom...despite the occasional Peja for Odom calls, Peja does not fit PJs system. Nor really does any King except Bonzi Wells. So if Phil had any say in something like that, would think that Bonzi would be the most likely.

[Entity]

what about Peja for that air drummer guy on the comcast commercials. He is more active in that 20 second spot than Peja will be all season.

[ForlornKing]

Top 3 Draft pick would be nice.

[SLAB]

Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/Stojakovic_Peja_sac.jpgPeja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes

http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/Martin_Kevin_sac.jpgKevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
2.9 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.5 apg in 10.1 minutes

Incoming

http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/Williams_Eric_tor.jpgEric Williams
6-8 SF from Providence
2.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 1.0 apg in 5.0 minutes

http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/Bosh_Chris_tor.jpgChris Bosh
6-10 PF from Georgia Tech
16.8 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 37.2 minutes


Change in team outlook: -4.2 ppg, +3.3 rpg, and +0.3 apg.


Why we do it...Grab a potential superstar in Bosh, and grab a useful backup/expiring contract in the process. Bosh now plays PF, so SAR gets moved to SF. Our lineup is now.

PG: Bibby/Hart/Price
SG: Bonzi/Cisco
SF: SAR/Williams
PF: Bosh/Thomas
C: Miller/Skinner

Why Toronto does it...Desprate times call for desprate measures...Grab a Serb to help boost your fanfare, as well as a possible go-to dead-eye shooter. Also, with their youngness, Kevin could petentially get more minutes, and develop into the player people seem to think he can become. This coming off-season they have a huge amount of cap room to nab a good low post center to compliment a possibly resigned Peja.

PG: Calderon/James
SG: Peterson/Martin
SF: Peja/Rose
PF: Villanueva/Bonner
C: Aroujo/???

It's wishful thinking, but hey? A guy can dream, right?

[Bricklayer]

It's wishful thinking, but hey? A guy can dream, right?

I have a very hard time seeing them move Bosh, and have said that in the past. On the other hand if the reports that Bosh may not reup and is thinking of leaving are correct, who knows? Would take more than the above, but I've mentioned in the actually on the market assuming we have the guts to pay the price.

Still think Toronto will hang in there with Bosh hoping that things get better and looking to make a side move or two to make him feel better about the situation. Plenty of time to move him in the offseason if it reaally looks like he is going to leave.

[SURVIVOR]

Ben Gordon is in the Bulls' doghouse. He and Skiles are feuding over the fact he doesn't have a starting role. Apparently, the Bulls want Peja for some reason (at least that's what we hear). Would anyone be opposed to a swap (if the salary swap could be worked out some way)?

[Smart_guy3]

Of COURSE!

I would give up Peja + filler and pick if Ben Gordon was Involved no question.....

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Ben Gordon is in the Bulls' doghouse. He and Skiles are feuding over the fact he doesn't have a starting role. Apparently, the Bulls want Peja for some reason (at least that's what we hear). Would anyone be opposed to a swap (if the salary swap could be worked out some way)?
Hey, I brought this up in a few other posts earlier. I would give up Peja for either one of Ben Gordon or Loul Deng. Peja might not even be worth that much to Chicago the way things are going for Peja these days.

[VF21]

We have a trade thread going so I'm going to merge this into it.

[AriesMar27]

and where would we start mr. 6'0 gordon? he'd be the shortest player on a team of midgets..... i wouldnt want to start him at sg then wed be stuck with bonzi at the 3... if our rebounding was bad before.... wow....

[zeke04]

Gordon would be great off the bench. but if he's pissed about coming off the bulls bench I'm sure he'd be pissed about coming off of the kings.

[Bricklayer]

Gordon may well be overrated. He's too small. He only plays one way. remarkable clutch perfromer last year, but this guy's career could easily come to grief in the long run if his deficiencies outweigh his positives.

[nbrans]

Gordon may well be overrated. He's too small. He only plays one way. remarkable clutch perfromer last year, but this guy's career could easily come to grief in the long run if his deficiencies outweigh his positives.

I agree. He's a chucker, so he'll occasionally put up 25 points in 20 minutes and he can hit big shots, but then as the Sports Guy said, it's only a matter of time before he goes 3-33 in a game. He'd be a good instant-offense player for the Kings, but he's one-dimensional.

Of course, as I mentioned in an earlier post, when it comes to trading Peja to the Bulls the Kings aren't really in a position to be picky.

[Kings113]

Gordon would be great off the bench. but if he's pissed about coming off the bulls bench I'm sure he'd be pissed about coming off of the kings.

Don't think he's pissed:

Chicago Sun-Times - Bulls guard Ben Gordon was caught off guard Tuesday by an Internet report that said he's unhappy with his role and wants to become a starter.

''I don't know what that was,'' Gordon said before the Bulls played the Orlando Magic on Tuesday at the United Center. ''It didn't come from me. I don't know nothing about it.''

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/38136/20051130/gordon_denies_hes_unhappy_with_role_off_bench/

and where would we start mr. 6'0 gordon? he'd be the shortest player on a team of midgets..... i wouldnt want to start him at sg then wed be stuck with bonzi at the 3... if our rebounding was bad before.... wow....

Ben Gordon is 6'3"/6'2".


BTW, Gordon isn't just a shooter. His quickness to the basket is great. I also adore his floater...

If Peja's traded to the Bulls, it won't be for Gordon, but Luol Deng or Nocioni. Ultimately I'd take Deng, and think that'd be the realistic swap from both sides.

[Padrino]

He'd be a good instant-offense player for the Kings, but he's one-dimensional.

he'd be a great 6th man. he's doing that very well in chicago, but he's overvaluing himself. of course, there's no reason for him to wanna come to sacramento just to come off the bench again. would be a great start, though, if the kings were serious about a youth movement.

[SLAB]

I just read Jamaal Magloire was available.

How about a Peja/filler for Magloire/filler deal, then we completly shuffle our lineup.

PG: Bibby/Hart
SG: Bonzi/Kevin
SF: SAR/Cisco/Corliss
PF: Brad/Kenny/Corliss
C: Magloire/Skinner

But now, we don't have any sort of reliable outside game outside of our PG and PF...However, We'd be a much tougher team. Magloire is very tough, SAR would be tough when going against opposing SF's, we all know how tough Bonzi is. That leaves us with extremly weak defense at PF/PG.

PG: Ford/Mo Williams
SG: Redd/???
SF: Peja/Simmons
PF: Smith/???
C: Bogut/Gadzuric

And just imagine the Bucks outside shooting after that deal...With Redd and Peja out there? That would be very hard to defend. "TJ Ford penetrates, kicks out to a wide open Peja/Redd, THREE!"

Also, Bogut would get full minutes for maximum development.

[Bricklayer]

I just read Jamaal Magloire was available.



Again? That seems...odd.

[SLAB]

Again? That seems...odd.

Okay, so it said "May be available instead of Gadzuric"

It's a possibility.

[Kings113]

ESPN - It's wise to amend the widely held belief that the Bucks (http://bucks.realgm.com/) will be shopping Dan Gadzuric (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/688/dan_gadzuric/) now that Magloire has arrived. It's looking more likely that Magloire would be made available first, but not until the offseason. Bogut is adapting faster than expected to the big leagues, but the Aussie rookie will need at least one full season of mentoring.

Magloire, meanwhile, has only one more season left on his contract after this one -- both at $8.3 million -- and will thus attract significant trade interest whether the Bucks (http://bucks.realgm.com/) are prepared to move him or not.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/38186/20051204/magloire_could_be_dealt_instead_of_gadzuric/

[Padrino]

magloire?! as in size, rebounding, interior defense, and blocking?!?!?!?!?

get on it, geoff...

[BMiller52]

Magloire for Reef? Brad goes to the four! I like it!

[SLAB]

Reef/Corliss for Magloire/Gaines?


Us...

PG: Bibby/Hart
SG: Bonzi/Kevin/Gaines
SF: Peja/Cisco
PF: Miller/Thomas
C: Magloire/Skinner

Them...

PG: Ford/Williams
SG: Redd/???
SF: Simmons/Corliss
PF: SAR/Smith
C: Bogut/Gadzuric

[BMiller52]

Reef/Corliss for Magloire/Gaines?


Us...

PG: Bibby/Hart
SG: Bonzi/Kevin/Gaines
SF: Peja/Cisco
PF: Miller/Thomas
C: Magloire/Skinner

Them...

PG: Ford/Williams
SG: Redd/???
SF: Simmons/Corliss
PF: SAR/Smith
C: Bogut/Gadzuric

Deal

[SLAB]

Deal

For us? In a second, I don't think Milwaukee would be so eager.

I like my original Peja proposal...A lot...And not only for us, but for both teams.

[GameBall]

Earl Watson from the Nuggets, who is getting no playing time behind Andre Miller and Earl Boykins, could give us some offense as a backup point guard.

[VF21]

Okay, but how do you propose we get him? Kidnapping is illegal in Colorado, too...

[Bricklayer]

Okay, but how do you propose we get him? Kidnapping is illegal in Colorado, too...

I would think Earl is imminently availbale for a decent offer, especially wiht Nene out and Martin hurting (Thomas?). But he's not a big impact guy.

[bozzwell]

I would think Earl is imminently availbale for a decent offer, especially wiht Nene out and Martin hurting (Thomas?). But he's not a big impact guy.

Chicago is desperate for a backup center and a mid-range jump-shooter. Can we convince them to take KT and Skinner and send us Tim Thomas (expiring 14 mil contract)? Does the expiring contract help us (between Bonzi, Pedja and Thomas we would have 30 mil about to expire)? Max Deal for Big Ben anyone?

[SacTownKid]

Reef/Corliss for Magloire/Gaines?


Us...

PG: Bibby/Hart
SG: Bonzi/Kevin/Gaines
SF: Peja/Cisco
PF: Miller/Thomas
C: Magloire/Skinner

Them...

PG: Ford/Williams
SG: Redd/???
SF: Simmons/Corliss
PF: SAR/Smith
C: Bogut/Gadzuric

Look at the bigger pitcure and you will see that this is actually a bad deal for us.

[AleksandarN]

Reef/Corliss for Magloire/Gaines?


Us...

PG: Bibby/Hart
SG: Bonzi/Kevin/Gaines
SF: Peja/Cisco
PF: Miller/Thomas
C: Magloire/Skinner

Them...

PG: Ford/Williams
SG: Redd/???
SF: Simmons/Corliss
PF: SAR/Smith
C: Bogut/Gadzuric

Magloire is as slow as Miller no thanks we do not need another. I would rather have Gadzuric over him anyways but not at a the price of losing SAR. Actually a Kenny thomas/GAdzuric trade would be ideal.

[ZachDaddy]

Thomas and a 1st round pick for Dan gadzuric, who is currently playing behind magloire, bogut, and smith. Great rebounder and shotblocker, would do wonders in making up for our frontcourt's(miller) defensive liabilities

[SacTownKid]

Thomas and a 1st round pick for Dan gadzuric, who is currently playing behind magloire, bogut, and smith. Great rebounder and shotblocker, would do wonders in making up for our frontcourt's(miller) defensive liabilities

I like Gadz. Not too sure about his contract, but I would have a hard time trading K9 straight up for him, let alone adding a pick.

[Bricklayer]

I like Gadz. Not too sure about his contract, but I would have a hard time trading K9 straight up for him, let alone adding a pick.

Given the structure of our team I cannot even begin to imagine why.

[CaminoChaos]

Okay, but how do you propose we get him? Kidnapping is illegal in Colorado, too...

I don't know about that. Sexual assualt doesn't seem illegal so why do think kidnapping is.:D

[CaminoChaos]

Trade Peja and bench player for a rebounding SF and shooter.

Suggestions:
1. Peja/Corlis or KT for R. Jefferson/Kristic
2. Peja/Corlis or KT for P.Pierce/Dickau
3. Peja/Corlis or KT for Odom/Cook
4. Peja for Nocioni/Piatkowski/Deng

[Smart_guy3]

Outgoing:

Peja
Skinner
1st round pick

Incoming:

Jamaal Magloire
Bobby Simmons

Would you guys do this trade? I think it's good enough for me to take it.

[Ryle]

Outgoing:

Peja
Skinner
1st round pick

Incoming:

Jamaal Magloire
Bobby Simmons

Would you guys do this trade? I think it's good enough for me to take it.

In a second. Can't see why Milwaukee would though considering they just signed Simmons and just traded for Malgoire.

[Smart_guy3]

ESPN reported that Jamaal could be the likely one out instead of Gadz.

[Kings113]

Trade Peja and bench player for a rebounding SF and shooter.

Suggestions:
1. Peja/Corlis or KT for R. Jefferson/Kristic
2. Peja/Corlis or KT for P.Pierce/Dickau
3. Peja/Corlis or KT for Odom/Cook
4. Peja for Nocioni/Piatkowski/Deng

I like this guy. :)

Not sure on getting both Deng and Nocioni for Peja though. I'd think one, in Deng, along with other piece(s).

[SacTownKid]

Given the structure of our team I cannot even begin to imagine why.

Well, Gadz isn't really an "Adelman" type of player. I am to the point where its great if we get him, but for 10 minutes of court time is it really worth it.

[thebostonstrangler]

Sixers fan here; what are your thoughts on a Dalembert for Brad Miller swap?

The Kings would be getting a terrific potential in Daly who can board and block shots. The Sixers would be getting a veteran who already has chemistry with Webber. How did Miller and Webber get along in Sacramento?

Do you think the Kings would do it or are they not getting enough value for Miller who is obviously better than Dalembert right now? Maybe the Sixers would have to throw in a #1 pick?

[Bricklayer]

Well, Gadz isn't really an "Adelman" type of player. I am to the point where its great if we get him, but for 10 minutes of court time is it really worth it.

That we can agree on. Not sure how much longer Rick is going to be here, but he really needs to look back and remember the Pollard years. This EVERYBODY has to be able to shoot/score thing has just taken it too far.

[Bricklayer]

Sixers fan here; what are your thoughts on a Dalembert for Brad Miller swap?

The Kings would be getting a terrific potential in Daly who can board and block shots. The Sixers would be getting a veteran who already has chemistry with Webber. How did Miller and Webber get along in Sacramento?

Do you think the Kings would do it or are they not getting enough value for Miller who is obviously better than Dalembert right now? Maybe the Sixers would have to throw in a #1 pick?

Sold.

But from a Sixers standpoint, aren't you having enough defensive problems? You might give up 110pts a game. ;)

[SacTownKid]

Sold.

But from a Sixers standpoint, aren't you having enough defensive problems? You might give up 110pts a game. ;)

Yeah, if he watched any Kings games last year he would know he is committing an atrocity of monolithic proportions by putting the Webber/Miller tandem back together. They do NOT compliment eachother at all. Defensively weak in the exact same areas, and offensively potent in the exact same areas. Not what you want.

I guess Webber is p*ssed b/c Cheeks sat him when a game was on the line for "defensive" purposes. Imagine if he inherited Miller and Webber! What coud he possibly do then.

[nbrans]

^At first I was thought, "agreed," Dalembert for Miller in a second. Then I remembered that the only games the Kings have won are the ones in which Brad Miller played well. He's become the point guard -- the Kings depend on him completely to run the offense, and whe