The one AND ONLY "Fire Adelman" thread for 05-06

[Smart_guy3]

I'm a big Adelman supporter but, I also think it's time to get rid of him I apperciate the things Rick did for this franchise since taking over the team but I think it's time for this Organization to go to a different direction just like they did with the team. again no offence but IMO it's the best thing we can do I think we need a new look for this team we're rebuilding and I think it's best for us and the Kings.

This team needs to have a new look there going to a different direction why not just get a new coach and go from there? I like Rick but IMO his time is up as this franchise is going to a different direction Geoff should realize getting a new coach would also make good sence.

Just dropping my 0.2 cents.

[thesanityannex]

had we won the first two games, this thread would be about a contract extension right?

[Tomcat]

Adelman is trying to harness the talent the best that he can. I'm still a big Adelman supporter. Who do you think can coach the Kings better? I can't think of anyone right now. Isn't it a little early in this season to be accessing how Adelman is doing as a coach? Let's face it - Peja and Mike are both seem to be having problems. Why does this fall on Adelman? It's going to take a while for this new team to gel. Give it a chance. Sheesh.

[Bricklayer]

Yep. Two games into the season. First "Fire Adelman" thread. Not sure who had the over/under on this one?

But not to worry, if my reading of the tea leaves is right Rick is going to save us the trouble next summer and he's going to fire US. So likely only one more of these awful 50 win seasons to endure under his watch one way or the other.

[thesanityannex]

It's Adelman's fault. He broke the mirror in the Kings locker room and gave the team seven years of bad luck. On top of that, he owns seven black cats, which walk in front of him daily while he passes under his ladder in the living room.

[Tomcat]

It's Adelman's fault. He broke the mirror in the Kings locker room and gave the team seven years of bad luck. On top of that, he owns seven black cats, which walk in front of him daily while he passes under his ladder in the living room.

If we are going to blame anyone for the Kings' anemic gameplay, we should look no further than good ol' Charles Barkley. Didn't he curse us Opening Night by predicting that the Kings will win the Pacific Conference Title?!?!?!

[RoyalDiva]

Darn, now I wish I would of thought of creating a betting pool on how long it would take for the first Fire Adelman thread of the season....

[thesanityannex]

Barkley could only be blamed for this year though, and Reggie Miller picked the Kings also, so the luck karma would be a wash. It's the mirrors fault. I'm sure of it, I have sources you know.

[Smart_guy3]

I'm not, blameing Adleman for the first 2 loses I'm usually talking about the future I think it's time for this team to go to a different direction (coaching wise).

[uolj]

If you fire Adelman, then you must either have another experienced, and established coach to bring in after him, or you go into rebuild mode. I don't think the Kings are at a point of going into rebuild mode, Petrie obviously thinks they are a move or two away from contending. That means that you only fire Adelman if you have another solid coach that you can bring in to replace him. I don't think the chances of that are very high, hence... don't fire Adelman.

[VF21]

Hello? SMART guy? His name is ADELMAN. Sorry, but if you're going to suggest throwing him to the lions, you might want to at least get his name right.

Go ahead. Lobby to get him fired. It's par for the course for at least a few members every year... you know, every year when - despite virtually insurmountable odds - the team manages to somehow pull 50+ wins out of a hat?

Go in a different direction? Fire Rick Adelman right now and we'll go in a different direction alright. Maybe, if we're really lucky, we could talk Garry St. Jean into returning.

Good lord...

[Londonking]

SG3,

In your initial post you mention your desire for the Kings to go in a 'different direction' three times in two paragraphs.

You havent given any clues as to what course you would wish to see that direction take.

You may well be correct in that the team could enjoy more success with a different coach, but unless you can extol the virtues that you woud like him / her to possess compared to our current incumbent in the job then its difficult to either agree or disagree.

[Savo]

It's Adelman's fault. He broke the mirror in the Kings locker room and gave the team seven years of bad luck. On top of that, he owns seven black cats, which walk in front of him daily while he passes under his ladder in the living room.

Boy, I haven't laughed so hard in quite awhile.
Thanks man

And yeah, "Adleman" is the worst coach in the history of the world. :rolleyes:

[Smart_guy3]

VF21- I'm not taking away anything from Rick but the team needs to go to a different direction in terms of coaching wise. this team needs a new look Rick's time as a King's coach IMO have been done. It's good for this franchise there going to a different direction it would make sence from both sides.

[DavisAggie]

VF21, "Maybe, if we're really lucky, we could talk Garry St. Jean into returning."

Man, did I love seeing that guy throw his famous temper tantrums on the sidelines!

Fire RA, please people, let’s not go crazy here. WE are Kings Fans, act like it (it's almost as if you've never been disappointed by this team before). We have a long home stand coming up; we'll regroup.

Don't hold up a cigarette lighter in a movie theater and yell FIRE!!!!!!

[CaminoChaos]

VF21- I'm not taking away anything from Rick but the team needs to go to a different direction in terms of coaching wise. this team needs a new look Rick's time as a King's coach IMO have been done. It's good for this franchise there going to a different direction it would make sence from both sides.

Who should we hire?

[Ryle]

I also think it's time to get rid of him

I totally agree :D

[VF21]

VF21- I'm not taking away anything from Rick but the team needs to go to a different direction in terms of coaching wise. this team needs a new look Rick's time as a King's coach IMO have been done. It's good for this franchise there going to a different direction it would make sence from both sides.

It would make sense? From what perspective? Losing is good???

The team HAS a new look which you've apparently missed. SAR, Bonzi, Garcia, Hart, Price, Sampson...

I've reread the majority of your posts and there doesn't seem to be very much you're happy about.

Feel free to lobby for Adelman's departure. We'll agree to disagree. Just promise not to continually start new threads about it...

In fact, I'm going to change your title so we won't have to suffer more than one of these.

[thesanityannex]

Feel free to lobby for Adelman's departure. We'll agree to disagree. Just promise not to continually start new threads about it...

.I second that

[Purple Reign]

VF21, "Maybe, if we're really lucky, we could talk Garry St. Jean into returning."

Man, did I love seeing that guy throw his famous temper tantrums on the sidelines!

Fire RA, please people, let’s not go crazy here. WE are Kings Fans, act like it (it's almost as if you've never been disappointed by this team before). We have a long home stand coming up; we'll regroup.

Don't hold up a cigarette lighter in a movie theater and yell FIRE!!!!!!

That is not good enough. I wonder what Rex Hughes is doing these days.
What about the following ...

Eddie Jor....oh sorry he already has a job
Sonny Allen
Maura McHugh
Bill Russell no longer works for the Celtics
Jerry Reynolds can coach and talk about the team at the same time :rolleyes:

RIDICULOUS!!!!

[ONEZERO]

I don't we should fire him either, but his time is up. He won't get the extention. He won't get another chance. This team cannot run his offense or even carril's offense. This team is going in a different direction and its gonna start with getting rid of adelman at seasons end to start our different path as a franchise. Then again, I have no idea who to replace him with. Let petrie figure that one out.

[hanchiho]

had we won the first two games, this thread would be about a contract extension right?
ur right

[Fillmoe]

wow it only took 2 games for a "fire adelman" thread..... LOL

[OptimusRhyme]

Stupid thread. Some people have no PATIENCE, Adelman is doing his job right, he always has. Things are hard before they're easy.

[thesanityannex]

PATIENCE?????????


There are ONLY 80 games left in the regular season. We need to do something now, something drastic, something outrageous. Here is what I propose, it is very different, so some here may think it is inconcievable, but it could quite possibly work. The big change here is going from Powerade to Gatorade. I know, I know..........powerade gives you power, but gatorade has a new secret ingredient that prolongs stamina and helps players recover faster. This would definitely give the kings the edge they need, along with the identity they've been searching for.

[SaCTowNFeveR]

Fire Adelman, I'll coach the Kings. :rolleyes:

[gman23]

What coach would you bring in? I mean good coaches like Adelman are not easy to find. We would have to go with a has been coach or a new collegiate type.
Let's ride this year out and see if there any other highly trained coaches left out there.

[VF21]

PATIENCE?????????


There are ONLY 80 games left in the regular season. We need to do something now, something drastic, something outrageous. Here is what I propose, it is very different, so some here may think it is inconcievable, but it could quite possibly work. The big change here is going from Powerade to Gatorade. I know, I know..........powerade gives you power, but gatorade has a new secret ingredient that prolongs stamina and helps players recover faster. This would definitely give the kings the edge they need, along with the identity they've been searching for.

But what FLAVOR of Gatorade? The original lemon-lime? One of the red ones? Or perhaps the blue???? If you're going to make these kinds of proposals and expect any kind of validation at all, you have to give the details!!! This is REAL and not just some video game, you know.

[thesanityannex]

Gatorade has now started to combine flavors in their drinks. This is what provides the game winning formula. Say for example you were to take a yellow gatorade, known for its stamina qualities, and you were to mix it with a blue gatorade, which is known for the courage it instills, the end result would be a green gatorade fashioned for players like Peja who seem to fizzle out during the end of games. You definitely wouldn't want to see bonzi drinking the blue gatorade, he would be out of control. Bonzi would be best hydrated with a mixture of orange gatorade (smarts) and tropical (calming). Its not all about one particular flavor, more about finding the right combonation of flavor for a certain players needs

[Vlad]

http://www.webuylocalhomes.com/consumersgroup/babycontest/PHOTOS/images/Joshua_Montoya.JPG

[piksi]

Since RA shot last night 5/24 combined - he definitely should be fired

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

It's funny how many "Fire Adelman" threads start out like, "I'm a big Adelman supporter, but..." Kind of like so many of the trade threads...:rolleyes:

[RoyalDiva]

It's funny how many "Fire Adelman" threads start out like, "I'm a big Adelman supporter, but..." Kind of like so many of the trade threads...:rolleyes:
You forgot also the ones that start out as "I'm a big Kings fan/supporter, but...."

[Jerryaki]

don't fire adelman, trade some of the players for a more athletic line-up. go the rockets route from last season, make the team more athletic.

the gatorade posts were hilarious.

[ONEZERO]

http://www.webuylocalhomes.com/consumersgroup/babycontest/PHOTOS/images/Joshua_Montoya.JPG

buwhahahahahah where did that come from:D ?

[thesanityannex]

buwhahahahahah where did that come from:D ?he mixed blue gatorade with yellow gatorade

[UclaKingsFan]

IMO Adelman should have been fired last year. I believe he is an adequate coach who can get above average results out of great talent. A lot of other teams in the NBA would love to have them at this point, just none of the championship contenders. The problem is that he doesn't maximize the talent he has on the team. The concept of team defense has been lost on this team since day 1. Defensive rotation, helpside defense---these terms don't apply to Sacramento. Adelman is also loyal to a fault to certain players. I realize Bibby and Stojakovic are all-star caliber players, but if they are slumping, it wouldn't hurt to play their reserves during crunch time. Most importantly though, is that Adelman has never instilled toughness in this team. Every team is a direct reflection of its coach, so its no surprise that the Kings have wilted under pressure every post-season. They are soft, weak willed, and lack confidence--just like their coach. When the team faces adversity, it folds. Please don't cite how they win 50+ games every year with a myriad of injuries because the regular season doesn't count for anything.
The Kings need a coach who can take the team to the next level; to instill a confidence and toughness in the team that would enable them to get past hard nosed, strong willed teams in the playoffs.

[VF21]

^^Oh, lord.

And it's no surprise, either, that the Kings have managed to have 50+ wins every year, despite a plethora of unfortunate injuries that would have totally destroyed other teams.

I'm going to cite that fact because it matters. It's amazing to me how some people will rant against Adelman and then try and avoid the other side of the coin.

The Kings are soft, weak willed and lack confidence?

...

do I smell a whiff of troll in the air?

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

... The Kings need a coach who can take the team to the next level; to instill a confidence and toughness in the team that would enable them to get past hard nosed, strong willed teams in the playoffs.You can't turn a duck into a bear. There's no coach, alive or dead, that could make the current incarnation of the Sacramento Kings into a "hard nosed, strong willed" team, and any coach that tried would cause half the team to suffer a nervous breakdown.

[Kingsgurl]

Please don't cite how they win 50+ games every year with a myriad of injuries because the regular season doesn't count for anything.

Oh please. I have to watch all 82 of those regular season games. I would prefer to watch wins, personally. People act like 50 wins is either A. the Kings God given right B. something so easy to do, any team can accomplish this feat, year after year or now C. something that doesn't even matter.
This year, you better take your enjoyment where you can, because if competing for a Championship in the post season is ALL that matters to you, this years team may not be the one for you.


I believe he is an adequate coach who can get above average results out of great talent. A lot of other teams in the NBA would love to have them at this point, just none of the championship contenders.


Well, then I would say he fits about perfect.

[KP]

The only reason I would like to see Adelman be fired at this point is so he can go someplace where people actually appreciate him. Even if he does manage to salvage this season and win 50 games, from what I've heard from his interviews there is a good chance he will leave us anyway. If you got those kind of results at your job and were shown the level of apprection the owners and the fans give him wouldn't you leave?

[UclaKingsFan]

^^Oh, lord.

And it's no surprise, either, that the Kings have managed to have 50+ wins every year, despite a plethora of unfortunate injuries that would have totally destroyed other teams.

I'm going to cite that fact because it matters. It's amazing to me how some people will rant against Adelman and then try and avoid the other side of the coin.

The Kings are soft, weak willed and lack confidence?

...

do I smell a whiff of troll in the air?


I'm no troll; just someone who has been around awhile but has not gotten around to posting yet. I thought that taking the wildly unpopular position of firing Adelman would be an exciting way of introducing myself to the forum.

And yes, I do realize that the Kings have won 50+ games a year with various injuries. Kudos to Adelman. But like I said before, the regular season means nothing. Champions are made in the post season. This is where Adelman comes up short. His system works beautifully in the regular season, but come playoff time, when the intensity rises and the defense is much more intense, his teams fold. They did in Portland, and they do in Sacramento. Again, I'm not saying Adelman is a bad coach, just not a championship one. After suffering through the 80's and early 90's with those dreadful Kings' squads, Adelman was a breath of fresh air. But priorities and satisfaction levels change. Its the nature of the beast. Before, all Sacramento wanted was a playoff team. Well now I want a championship team, and that will never happen under Adelman.

[UclaKingsFan]

You can't turn a duck into a bear. There's no coach, alive or dead, that could make the current incarnation of the Sacramento Kings into a "hard nosed, strong willed" team, and any coach that tried would cause half the team to suffer a nervous breakdown.

I have to admit that there is a lot of validity in what you say. Personnel does dictate what you can and cannot do on the court. However, I would still like to see some sort of commitment to defense and a tougher mindset. I realize that those qualities are not the strong point of our current players, but that's no excuse to totally ignore them. With any kind of semblance of team defense or intestinal fortitude when adversity rears its ugly head, our 50 win team that gets bounced every year in the first or second round could become a 60 win team that goes to the finals.

[VF21]

I'm no troll; just someone who has been around awhile but has not gotten around to posting yet. I thought that taking the wildly unpopular position of firing Adelman would be an exciting way of introducing myself to the forum.

And yes, I do realize that the Kings have won 50+ games a year with various injuries. Kudos to Adelman. But like I said before, the regular season means nothing. Champions are made in the post season. This is where Adelman comes up short. His system works beautifully in the regular season, but come playoff time, when the intensity rises and the defense is much more intense, his teams fold. They did in Portland, and they do in Sacramento. Again, I'm not saying Adelman is a bad coach, just not a championship one. After suffering through the 80's and early 90's with those dreadful Kings' squads, Adelman was a breath of fresh air. But priorities and satisfaction levels change. Its the nature of the beast. Before, all Sacramento wanted was a playoff team. Well now I want a championship team, and that will never happen under Adelman.

Sorry, but the refrain is tired and old - and very typical of some previous posters who are no longer here.

The Kings didn't FOLD in the WCF because of poor coaching. In addition, they didn't FOLD the next year - they were doing quite well until a certain power forward crumbled to the floor and didn't get up. The Kings hopes to go further sprawled there on the court with him.

Last year, they didn't FOLD as much as they were simply outplayed after mid-season trades that pretty much guaranteed an early exit from the playoffs.

Right now, the coach is the least of our problems.

Feel free to continue to rail against Adelman and his inadequacies. We'll agree to disagree... with the understanding that at the end of the year, if not before, it may all end up being moot anyway.

[UclaKingsFan]

Oh please. I have to watch all 82 of those regular season games. I would prefer to watch wins, personally. People act like 50 wins is either A. the Kings God given right B. something so easy to do, any team can accomplish this feat, year after year or now C. something that doesn't even matter.
This year, you better take your enjoyment where you can, because if competing for a Championship in the post season is ALL that matters to you, this years team may not be the one for you.



Well, then I would say he fits about perfect.


I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying. If reaching 50 regular season wins and seeing an above average product on the floor is what you want out of your team, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with Adelman. Like I said before, there are quite a few other teams in the league that would love to have that. But, winning championships is the only thing that matters to a fan like me. If they fall short of that goal, then I will not complain as long as I know that my team gave all it had in order to reach its goal. With Adelman at the helm, however, the organization is not doing all that it can to win the NBA championship. And, to the Maloof's credit, I think they are starting to realize that. That's why they inquired into Jackson's coaching availability before this year. That's why Adelman has not received an extension. I appreciate Adelman's regular season achievements, and no, they have not been easy. But now its time for something more.

[UclaKingsFan]

Sorry, but the refrain is tired and old - and very typical of some previous posters who are no longer here.

The Kings didn't FOLD in the WCF because of poor coaching. In addition, they didn't FOLD the next year - they were doing quite well until a certain power forward crumbled to the floor and didn't get up. The Kings hopes to go further sprawled there on the court with him.

Last year, they didn't FOLD as much as they were simply outplayed after mid-season trades that pretty much guaranteed an early exit from the playoffs.

Right now, the coach is the least of our problems.

Feel free to continue to rail against Adelman and his inadequacies. We'll agree to disagree... with the understanding that at the end of the year, if not before, it may all end up being moot anyway.

As old as my refrain seems to you, yours seems the same way to me. But you are right, we will have to agree to disagree. Not everyone sees everything the same way. This forum would be very boring if it were otherwise.

[VF21]

The only reason I would like to see Adelman be fired at this point is so he can go someplace where people actually appreciate him. Even if he does manage to salvage this season and win 50 games, from what I've heard from his interviews there is a good chance he will leave us anyway. If you got those kind of results at your job and were shown the level of apprection the owners and the fans give him wouldn't you leave?

He'll leave, most likely, because NBA coaches always leave sooner or later.

And, at some point in the future, perhaps some of those fans, who have failed to understand just exactly what he has done for this franchise, will start to realize how good a coach he really was.

A lot of us tried telling people to enjoy the good years of Bibby, Doug, Peja, Chris and Vlade because they wouldn't last forever. Some of us are singing the same refrain now...

Once again, I'll quote:

You don't know what you've got til it's gone...

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

He'll leave, most likely, because NBA coaches always leave sooner or later. As Barkley once said, during one of his rare moments of clarity, "coaches are hired to be fired." There's really only two options for a coach, when you think about it: quit or be fired; I doubt even one coach in two hundred is ever afforded the opportunity to leave under amicable conditions, on their own terms.

[thesanityannex]

I don't think many here are exactly bashing Adelman but more so just saying they want to see some change. I can go either way, sure, I'd like to see a change too. A different style of ball, different coach, different results. Problem is, different results could be no more fifty win seasons or playoff appearances, and frequent trips to the lottery.

[exGrizzly]

I have to say before reading any of the posts that this thread made me laugh my head off. The season wouldn't be complete without a "Fire Adelman" thread. My 2 pennies, he's Geoff Petrie's guy and in Petrie we trust. Also I think he's a excellent coach who should play Corliss more. And bring one of his scorers off the bench and put that pouting punk Thomas in as a starter (if that's the only way to get the best out of that SOB until we can unload him).

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I don't think many here are exactly bashing Adelman but more so just saying they want to see some change. I can go either way, sure, I'd like to see a change too.I wonder if Jazz fans go through this...

[thesanityannex]

they have fans?

[KP]

and put that pouting punk Thomas in as a starter (if that's the only way to get the best out of that SOB until we can unload him).Sad to say but I've been thinking the same thing.

[thesanityannex]

same here. it was shot down pretty quick in the thread i made "peja off the bench". reef/thomas 4/3 as starters. sounds good to me. who would you rather have whining, peja or thomas?

[Kingsgurl]

If reaching 50 regular season wins and seeing an above average product on the floor is what you want out of your team, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with Adelman

A Championship is what we have ALL hoped and prayed etc for. This team isn't it, by a long shot. At this point, hell yea, I'd settle for an above average team and 50 wins. Hell yeah. Far better than losing the majority of your regular season games, or not making the play offs at all. If you really think a different coach would all the sudden transform this team into a Championship contender, I really don't know what to say.

[VF21]

Who would you rather have whining, peja or thomas?

At this point, I rather see Thomas whine. The only way we get anything of value for Peja (as opposed to simply watching him walk away) is if he performs well enough to be trade fodder. If he's curled up under the bench in total shutdown, we won't get much of an offer for him.

Peja may not be the best player to play the game, but he is a shooter. His shot will come back. When it does, we can decide whether or not to offer him a lucrative contract OR put him out on the wires for trade.

We're not gonna get offers for KT no matter what. His contrast is too long and it's bloated. We may have to bite the bullet on him anyway.

[sloter]

Ah, someone starts a Fire Adelman thread and people jump on him right away... well known story.
The reality is that there at least as many reasons to fire him (for several years now) as there are to keep him. The only reason why he is still in the club is because he is friends with Petrie.
I also disagree that a more strict coach couldn't alter the mentality of this team. If someone is soft, bench him, if Pedja plays soft, don't give him 40 mins a game. Give him 5. Next time he's on the court, in his contract year, he'll make sure to dive for the loose balls.

[VF21]

Is it really going to be like this the entire year?

Come on...

This is most likely Adelman's last year. Why not just let it go?

We have much bigger problems on this team right now than who the coach is.

And, once again, I have to wonder: If not Adelman, who exactly is it that will come in and work the miracle that will transform this team into CHAMPIONS!!

NBA coaches do not grow on trees. If JUST ONCE someone could come up with a viable alternative, maybe those of us who are perhaps a little more grounded might NOT jump on the thread starter right away.

[thesanityannex]

At this point, I rather see Thomas whine. The only way we get anything of value for Peja (as opposed to simply watching him walk away) is if he performs well enough to be trade fodder. If he's curled up under the bench in total shutdown, we won't get much of an offer for him.
.Simply watching him walk away may be the best value we can get for him. If he goes nuts this year and puts up huge numbers, (not likely) we will be forced to give him the max. Maybe having him curled up under the bench could lower his value and help us keep him. I'm just throwing out ideas here, take everything I say with large lumps of salt. This is what boredom at work amounts to.

[ONEZERO]

we couldve replaced adelman a looooooooong time ago. all we needed was to keep pete carril(hes the genius to our offense). adelman a good regular season coach, but hes not the type to win a championship with. look at teams that have replaced their coach and have had success. pat riley went crazy when his team was 6-22 in wades rookie year and stepped down to let stan van gundy take over. what was the result? a playoff birth that went into the second round pushing the team with the best record in the nba to 6 games. i dont hate adelman, its just that sometimes you need new blood instilled in a team and sometimes a coach is where it comes from. players get tired of acoach especially when u add new players that havent played in his system and look lost out there. i think adelman shouldve been gone right after the 03-04 season. hes a great coach, but his time in sacto is done. it happens to lots of coaches and teams. new blood is what we need. now to find the right coach is hard and thats why we ride out this season with adelman and who knows he might have his best year as a coach and i will shut up and he will get an extention and we will be back on top again. but if we have a sub-par year, then i think the maloofs and petrie will not bring him back.

[UclaKingsFan]

A Championship is what we have ALL hoped and prayed etc for. This team isn't it, by a long shot. At this point, hell yea, I'd settle for an above average team and 50 wins. Hell yeah. Far better than losing the majority of your regular season games, or not making the play offs at all. If you really think a different coach would all the sudden transform this team into a Championship contender, I really don't know what to say.

I think everyone would rather the Kings win the majority of their games rather than losing them. I'm always happy when the Kings win, and I loved the 2 year stretch when they were at the top of their game. However, I do think a coach with a different mentality would be able to get more out of the team. A tougher coach wouldn't tolerate Peja's unwillingness to dive for loose balls or crash the boards. A tougher coach wouldn't tolerate Thomas' whining over playing time. A tougher coach wouldn't tolerate the majority of the team refusing to play team defense. There is a reason Adelman is classified as a player's coach. He's too soft. Take a look at the recent list of coaches who have brought home the trophy. Brown, Popovich, Jackson. They aren't afraid to ruffle somebody's feathers, and they don't tolerate soft play or mental lapses in play like Adelman does. Granted, Adelman's style does have its upside, but the downside is costing the team in the post season. I honestly wish it were different. I appreciate that Adelman helped put Sacramento on the basketball map, and God knows that wasn't an easy thing to do. But if you aren't moving forward, you're moving backwards. And while a different coach may not necessarily turn this current squad into championship contenders, he would at least get them moving in the right direction with a tougher mindset and a commitment to defense, toughness, and effort.

[VF21]

ONEZERO - I seriously doubt if Rick Adelman would accept an extension if it was offered to him. The man is a top NBA coach. There are any number of teams who would be very happy to have him, and the Maloofs may have burned their bridge when they talked to Jackson behind Adelman's back.

People act like it's only the Maloofs decision. It's not. Adelman can decline an offer - and I strongly suspect he will.

[KP]

And while a different coach may not necessarily turn this current squad into championship contenders, he "would" at least get them moving in the right direction with a tougher mindset and a commitment to defense, toughness, and effort.Change the "would" in that sentence to "could" or "probably wouldn't" and it might make that sentence true. Making changes just to make them=bad idea

[ONEZERO]

the problem with the kings-although sounds really silly- is the fact that everything and everyone surrounding them is too nice. the coaches are too nice. the players are too nice. the owners are too nice. the fans are too nice, etc... nobody rattles them and makes them get their heads on straight. its hard to get a reality check when nobody gets on your case. a tough minded coach can do that. while the fans and owners may be too nice, if the coach is an *******, then it can transform the players mentality into a strong willed mentality.

[UclaKingsFan]

Making changes just to make them=bad idea

Responding to posts without reading them=bad idea. I am very clearly citing the reasons why I think we need a coaching change. I am not simply advocating change for the sake of change. I respect and can appreciate the validity of the posts that are opposing mine, as long as they have also taken the time to read what I've said before responding.

[VF21]

My MAIN complaint about this thread is that it is IMHO too early. Adelman is in the last year of his contract; we have an entirely new look to our team. Why not wait, just a little, and see what Adelman can do? Two games does not a season make...

If Adelman can't get through to the players - or they just don't seem to be getting the message - by the All-Star break, then perhaps it is time for him to move on.

Personally, I just think Rick Adelman has earned a little better treatment and consideration than he's getting from some people on this board.

[ONEZERO]

ONEZERO - I seriously doubt if Rick Adelman would accept an extension if it was offered to him. The man is a top NBA coach. There are any number of teams who would be very happy to have him, and the Maloofs may have burned their bridge when they talked to Jackson behind Adelman's back.

People act like it's only the Maloofs decision. It's not. Adelman can decline an offer - and I strongly suspect he will.

homestly, i wouldnt really complain. honestly

[sloter]

My MAIN complaint about this thread is that it is IMHO too early. Adelman is in the last year of his contract; we have an entirely new look to our team. Why not wait, just a little, and see what Adelman can do? Two games does not a season make...

If Adelman can't get through to the players - or they just don't seem to be getting the message - by the All-Star break, then perhaps it is time for him to move on.

Personally, I just think Rick Adelman has earned a little better treatment and consideration than he's getting from some people on this board.

Of course it is too early for this year, but if the Kings don't play up to their expecations by mid season, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets fired.

[thesanityannex]

VF21-


You and I both know all Adelman needs is some red gatorade.

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I also disagree that a more strict coach couldn't alter the mentality of this team. If someone is soft, bench him, if Pedja plays soft, don't give him 40 mins a game. Give him 5. Next time he's on the court, in his contract year, he'll make sure to dive for the loose balls.Either that, or he'll cry to his buddy Joe, and get the coach fired; I know which likelihood I'd have my money on...

Not only am I certain that a "disciplinarian" couldn't get through to this particular collection of players, but I'm so certain of it, that I'd almost like to see it happen, just for the train wreck; I'd expect the "unintentional comedy" value to be off the scale.

[KP]

I am very clearly citing the reasons why I think we need a coaching change.And I am very clearly citing the reasons why you are wrong. A new coach won't just automatically make this team tougher or better. More than likely given Adelmans track record they would probably do worse. You say you like Adelman but as your grand total of posts has climbed they've gotten bashier and bashier, ending with the typical "soft" bash at the end there. Adelman will never win a championship, the Kings will never win a championship because his system doesn't work in the playoffs... give it a rest. This team came within some missed free throws of the NBA Finals and most probably an NBA title. His system was good enough to get that team in a position to win but they choked their free throws. How was that his fault exactly? The fact is this team has showed some toughness and had their share of post season success these past few years, which you will see when they can't even make the playoffs any more. You'll be praying for some of Adelmans "soft" coaching then.

[uolj]

Someone please explain where the team has underachieved in the post-season, and where Adelman's coaching contributed to that underachievement.

Someone please explain how Adelman could be so bad at emphasizing defense, yet still have one of the best defenses in the league for several years in a row, including the #2 defense in the year his team was favored to win the championship.
The reality is that there at least as many reasons to fire him (for several years now) as there are to keep him.I've seen people say this, and I've seen people give their reasons, but I've yet to see somebody defend those reasons when obvious flaws in the reasoning are pointed out.

Sure there are real reasons why another coach might do better, but I rarely see them mentioned.

[UclaKingsFan]

My MAIN complaint about this thread is that it is IMHO too early. Adelman is in the last year of his contract; we have an entirely new look to our team. Why not wait, just a little, and see what Adelman can do? Two games does not a season make...

If Adelman can't get through to the players - or they just don't seem to be getting the message - by the All-Star break, then perhaps it is time for him to move on.

Personally, I just think Rick Adelman has earned a little better treatment and consideration than he's getting from some people on this board.

I agree with you on this point. If people want to fire Adelman solely because of the team's performance in these first two games, then it is way too early to be making that kind of assessment. Two games does not a season make.
I'm curious though, if for some reason (and I don't believe this will happen), the team did not improve its performance over the course of the season at all, at what point would RA's supporters decide to let Adelman go, or would you let him ride the season out in its entirety, whether it be because he's earned at least that much or you think he'll be gone at the end of the season anyway?

[Coach]

UCLAKingsfan, I agree with a lot of what you say.

But I disagree with your overall assessment of Rick Adelman as a coach. He is a terrific coach. It is no coincidence that his teams consistently win and that, for the most part, players who play for him perform at much higher levels than they did ever before or after playing for Adelman (Drexler, Duckworth, Webber, Christie, Bibby, Jackson, Miller, Pollard).

But I do agree with you that he has his weaknesses. He does defer to the veterans too much. And he is not a "take charge" type coach -- he is much more the "players' coach." Sometimes, if a team has grown a little complacent, a more authoritarian approach can shake things up, in a positive fashion.

Therefore, if Adelman gets fired, it won't be because he is not a great coach. It will be because a different style is needed. The worst thing we could do would be to fire him and replace him with another "players' coach", like Elston Turner or Wayne Cooper. If we make a change, we need someone to come in and kick some ***. Unfortunately, Pat Riley is unavailable. But Eric Musselman comes to mind.

[VF21]

I agree with you on this point. If people want to fire Adelman solely because of the team's performance in these first two games, then it is way too early to be making that kind of assessment. Two games does not a season make.
I'm curious though, if for some reason (and I don't believe this will happen), the team did not improve its performance over the course of the season at all, at what point would RA's supporters decide to let Adelman go, or would you let him ride the season out in its entirety, whether it be because he's earned at least that much or you think he'll be gone at the end of the season anyway?

Interestingly enough - and somewhat ironically - if you would have read my post carefully (the one you quoted), you would have seen that I answered your question.

This thread is simply premature, whether you're fan of Adelman's or not. The man has earned the right to a decent opportunity to show what he can do with all the new talent on the team.

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

UCLAKingsfan, I agree with a lot of what you say.

But I disagree with your overall assessment of Rick Adelman as a coach. He is a terrific coach. It is no coincidence that his teams consistently win and that, for the most part, players who play for him perform at much higher levels than they did ever before or after playing for Adelman (Drexler, Duckworth, Webber, Christie, Bibby, Jackson, Miller, Pollard).

But I do agree with you that he has his weaknesses. He does defer to the veterans too much. And he is not a "take charge" type coach -- he is much more the "players' coach." Sometimes, if a team has grown a little complacent, a more authoritarian approach can shake things up, in a positive fashion.

Therefore, if Adelman gets fired, it won't be because he is not a great coach. It will be because a different style is needed. The worst thing we could do would be to fire him and replace him with another "players' coach", like Elston Turner or Wayne Cooper. If we make a change, we need someone to come in and kick some ***. Unfortunately, Pat Riley is unavailable. But Eric Musselman comes to mind.Fair enough, and I can at least agree with you on principle... but Eric Musselman? He couldn't even keep Golden State in line; why would a team of disgruntled and disillusioned veteran players listen to him?

[KP]

E Muss....

[KP]

Someone please explain where the team has underachieved in the post-season, and where Adelman's coaching contributed to that underachievement.

Someone please explain how Adelman could be so bad at emphasizing defense, yet still have one of the best defenses in the league for several years in a row, including the #2 defense in the year his team was favored to win the championship.
I've seen people say this, and I've seen people give their reasons, but I've yet to see somebody defend those reasons when obvious flaws in the reasoning are pointed out.

Sure there are real reasons why another coach might do better, but I rarely see them mentioned.Anyone? Anyone? Good post Uolj, though I doubt you'll get a response.

[Coach]

Musselman did finish second to Greg Popovich in NBA Coach of the Year voting in 2002-03.

http://www.nba.com/news/coy_030428.html

[thesanityannex]

And, once again, I have to wonder: If not Adelman, who exactly is it that will come in and work the miracle that will transform this team into CHAMPIONS!!
.Bill Belichick

[UclaKingsFan]

And I am very clearly citing the reasons why you are wrong. A new coach won't just automatically make this team tougher or better. More than likely given Adelmans track record they would probably do worse. You say you like Adelman but as your grand total of posts has climbed they've gotten bashier and bashier, ending with the typical "soft" bash at the end there. Adelman will never win a championship, the Kings will never win a championship because his system doesn't work in the playoffs... give it a rest. This team came within some missed free throws of the NBA Finals and most probably an NBA title. His system was good enough to get that team in a position to win but they choked their free throws. How was that his fault exactly? The fact is this team has showed some toughness and had their share of post season success these past few years, which you will see when they can't even make the playoffs any more. You'll be praying for some of Adelmans "soft" coaching then.

This is a much better post than saying "making changes just to make them=bad idea." This isn't a disgusting Lakers board, so you'll have to excuse me if I hold everyone here to a higher standard. God knows I get my fill of inane, empty headed basketball discussion while down here in SoCal.
To respond to your post, I am not bashing Adelman. If you read through the posts, I do think he has the ability to be a good coach. You can't argue with the man's track record. The man gets his teams W's. However, there is also no arguing with the fact that he can't get his teams over that championship hump. You can focus on the team's inability to make their free throws in that emotionally scarring game 7, but what about their inability to hold on to a 20 point lead on the road in game 4? What about their inability to hold on to a 10 point lead in the second half of game 7 in their own house? And yes, the missed free throws also played their part. The team choked. They couldn't handle the pressure, they couldn't tough it out. They were a direct reflection of their coach, and it absolutely killed me. No one wants the team to win more than me, whether it be under Adelman or somebody else. My only point is that I don't think the team will win a title under Adelman. That doesn't make RA a bad coach, just not a championship caliber one.

[thesanityannex]

Someone please explain how Adelman could be so bad at emphasizing defense, yet still have one of the best defenses in the league for several years in a row, including the #2 defense in the year his team was favored to win the championship.
.The team he had was full of "capable" defensive players who bought into the team defense concept.

[Coach]

Uolj, I would agree that that Adelman has not underachieved in the post-season.

I'm not sure where you get your Adelman defensive stats though. How are you defining that? Points scored against? Opponent's field goal percentage? I don't recall Adelman ever coaching a particularly good defensive team, although he has coached some very good defensive players (Cliff Robinson and Christie, for example).

But I still stand by my earlier post.

[thesanityannex]

. If you read through the posts, I do think he has the ability to be a good coach. You can't argue with the man's track record. The man gets his teams W's. However, there is also no arguing with the fact that he can't get his teams over that championship hump. not many coaches can get over the championship hump. last I recall, it has only been one coach a year.

[VF21]

Okay, for what it's worth:

uclakingsfan, I don't know if you're a troll or not. Time will tell. But you've helped bring one thing back - debate without insult.

I've missed that over TDOS.

I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

Of course, if you ARE a Laker mole in disguise, I'll retract the above quote and run you through with a lance.

:D

[KP]

Musselman did finish second to Greg Popovich in NBA Coach of the Year voting in 2002-03.

http://www.nba.com/news/coy_030428.html (http://www.nba.com/news/coy_030428.html[/quote]Coah) There is a reason why he still doesn't have a coaching job even after a couple of years now and no... it's not that he finished second in the coach of the year voting in 02-03.

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Musselman did finish second to Greg Popovich in NBA Coach of the Year voting in 2002-03.

http://www.nba.com/news/coy_030428.htmlYou'd think people'd be beating a path to his door, then...

[KP]

This is a much better post than saying "making changes just to make them=bad idea." This isn't a disgusting Lakers board, so you'll have to excuse me if I hold everyone here to a higher standard. God knows I get my fill of inane, empty headed basketball discussion while down here in SoCal.
To respond to your post, I am not bashing Adelman. If you read through the posts, I do think he has the ability to be a good coach. You can't argue with the man's track record. The man gets his teams W's. However, there is also no arguing with the fact that he can't get his teams over that championship hump. You can focus on the team's inability to make their free throws in that emotionally scarring game 7, but what about their inability to hold on to a 20 point lead on the road in game 4? What about their inability to hold on to a 10 point lead in the second half of game 7 in their own house? And yes, the missed free throws also played their part. The team choked. They couldn't handle the pressure, they couldn't tough it out. They were a direct reflection of their coach, and it absolutely killed me. No one wants the team to win more than me, whether it be under Adelman or somebody else. My only point is that I don't think the team will win a title under Adelman. That doesn't make RA a bad coach, just not a championship caliber one.And what about there ability to go into LA and win aginst the toughest strongest team in the last decade in their own house? Or what about their ability to hit huge shot after huge shot ending with Bibby's winning shot in game 5, after they supposedly had their heart ripped out by Horry in game 4. Those must have also been reflections of their coach too right? You can also quit lecturing me on what to read or what to think about your posts. I can come to my own conclusions.

[UclaKingsFan]

Interestingly enough - and somewhat ironically - if you would have read my post carefully (the one you quoted), you would have seen that I answered your question.

This thread is simply premature, whether you're fan of Adelman's or not. The man has earned the right to a decent opportunity to show what he can do with all the new talent on the team.

I did read through your post. The question wasn't posed because I neglected to see the line where you said that perhaps it would be time to make a move if the team had not improved by the all-star break, it was posed because of it. The "perhaps" suggested that you might do it, so I was merely asking for something a little more specific. The post aroused my curiosity as to when RA supporters would be willing to change their minds is all.

To be fair, I would change my mind if I were to see RA assert more energy into our defensive game, and to reprimand his players for a lack of effort or defense. Those are the qualities that I believe can take our squad to the next level. They may not be enough to win a championship this year, but they will get us on our way.

[UclaKingsFan]

[quote=VF21]Okay, for what it's worth:

uclakingsfan, I don't know if you're a troll or not. Time will tell. But you've helped bring one thing back - debate without insult.

I've missed that over TDOS.


Definitely not a Laker mole. I have a broken TV and coffee table after Game 4 of the WCF to prove it. I just wanted to get in on some spirited debate about our Kings. I can't get any intelligent basketball discussions going down here in LaLa land, so I decided to throw my hat in the ring here.
And yes, it has been fun debating with you all.

[KP]

Uolj, I would agree that that Adelman has not underachieved in the post-season.

I'm not sure where you get your Adelman defensive stats though. How are you defining that? Points scored against? Opponent's field goal percentage? I don't recall Adelman ever coaching a particularly good defensive team, although he has coached some very good defensive players (Cliff Robinson and Christie, for example).

But I still stand by my earlier post.I think Uolj is defining it by the stat that everyone from Phil Jackson, to Pat Riley, to Red Aurbach says is the most indicative stat of how good a defense is, opp fg% and 3 pt% against. The Kings led the league in both that year.

[UclaKingsFan]

And what about there ability to go into LA and win aginst the toughest strongest team in the last decade in their own house? Or what about their ability to hit huge shot after huge shot ending with Bibby's winning shot in game 5, after they supposedly had their heart ripped out by Horry in game 4. Those must have also been reflections of their coach too right? You can also quit lecturing me on what to read or what to think about your posts. I can come to my own conclusions.

Those were very nice wins, can't deny it. But they didn't get enough of them. Championship teams close the deal; they finish series. Sacramento couldn't do it that year. It just supports the idea that Adelman, while being a good coach, is not a championship caliber coach.

And sometimes people need constructive criticism. Hugs and kisses from SoCal.

[KP]

Those were very nice wins, can't deny it. But they didn't get enough of them. Championship teams close the deal; they finish series. Sacramento couldn't do it that year. It just supports the idea that Adelman, while being a good coach, is not a championship caliber coach.

And sometimes people need constructive criticism. Hugs and kisses from SoCal.Agree to disagree then. Whats the next topic?? :D

[VF21]

The "perhaps" suggested that you might do it, so I was merely asking for something a little more specific.

We have a pretty decent home stand between Dec. 22 and Jan. 8 (with one quick little hop down to LA to play the Clippers). It includes Dallas, Portland, aforementioned Clippers, Celtics, 76ers, Clippers again and Pacers.

Quite frankly, if by that time it just seemed that the team wasn't gelling or that Adelman wasn't able to get them on the same page, I would start watching very closely for visiting unemployed coaches flying into Sacramento. Circumstances would dictate the timing, of course, but if things aren't running smoothly I wouldn't expect to see Adelman much later than that. Not that I would have given up, but sometimes you just have to make the inevitable change and hope for the best.

[uolj]

Uolj, I would agree that that Adelman has not underachieved in the post-season.

I'm not sure where you get your Adelman defensive stats though. How are you defining that? Points scored against? Opponent's field goal percentage? I don't recall Adelman ever coaching a particularly good defensive team, although he has coached some very good defensive players (Cliff Robinson and Christie, for example).

But I still stand by my earlier post.I thought your post was actually pretty good, and I agree with your analysis of his strengths and weaknesses. It is arguments like UclaKingsFan's assertion that taking a favored team with two superstars and coming off back-to-back titles to overtime in 7 games but losing somehow shows that a coach is not championship caliber. If the Kings consistently lost when they were the better team, then I might listen to that argument, but I don't think they ever have.

The Kings' FG% against in 02-03 was easily #1 in the league, but the stat I usually look at is databasebasketball.com's defensive efficiency, which had the Kings ranked second that year to New Jersey. (http://www.databasebasketball.com/leagues/leagueyear.htm?lg=n&yr=2002)

The team he had was full of "capable" defensive players who bought into the team defense concept.Exactly, they bought into his team defense concept. I've actually expressed my wish that Adelman would spend more time and effort emphasizing defense, but I think that the couple of years when the Kings defense has been poor it has had more to do with personnel.

[kingsfan916]

OMG we are gonna say this after just 2 games???? 2 games????????

[UclaKingsFan]

I thought your post was actually pretty good, and I agree with your analysis of his strengths and weaknesses. It is arguments like UclaKingsFan's assertion that taking a favored team with two superstars and coming off back-to-back titles to overtime in 7 games but losing somehow shows that a coach is not championship caliber. If the Kings consistently lost when they were the better team, then I might listen to that argument, but I don't think they ever have.

The Kings' FG% against in 02-03 was easily #1 in the league, but the stat I usually look at is databasebasketball.com's defensive efficiency, which had the Kings ranked second that year to New Jersey. (http://www.databasebasketball.com/leagues/leagueyear.htm?lg=n&yr=2002)

Exactly, they bought into his team defense concept. I've actually expressed my wish that Adelman would spend more time and effort emphasizing defense, but I think that the couple of years when the Kings defense has been poor it has had more to do with personnel.

Sacramento was favored in the series, had home court advantage by virture of their better record in the regular season, and was a 2 point favorite heading into game 7 of the series. So they did lose when they were the better team. (I apologize for not having a link for the odds on the series, but I bet game 7 in vegas which is why I remember the line--I actually got Sac at 1 1/2, but here is a link for the odds on game 7)
http://www.benmaller.com/archives/benstakes/2002_05_26_benstakesarch.shtml

As for the next year against the Mavs, Webber getting hurt turned the series around, and that certainly can't be blamed on Adelman, but his inability to adjust to the injury certainly can. Also a nice little shot at our inability to play defense.
http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba/nba_articles/playoffs_2003_-_western_conference_recap-ar437.html

And how can our defensive performance from last year against the Sonics be explained? I'm definitely not claiming that we were the better team, but my God, some effort would have been nice.

Its obvious we won't agree and I'm content to leave it at that as both sides of the argument have very good points, but please get the facts straight before you try to discredit my side.

[Bricklayer]

Sacramento was favored in the series, had home court advantage by virture of their better record in the regular season, and was a 2 point favorite heading into game 7 of the series. So they did lose when they were the better team. (I apologize for not having a link for the odds on the series, but I bet game 7 in vegas which is why I remember the line--I actually got Sac at 1 1/2, but here is a link for the odds on game 7)
http://www.benmaller.com/archives/benstakes/2002_05_26_benstakesarch.shtml

As for the next year against the Mavs, Webber getting hurt turned the series around, and that certainly can't be blamed on Adelman, but his inability to adjust to the injury certainly can. Also a nice little shot at our inability to play defense.
http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba/nba_articles/playoffs_2003_-_western_conference_recap-ar437.html

And how can our defensive performance from last year against the Sonics be explained? I'm definitely not claiming that we were the better team, but my God, some effort would have been nice.

Its obvious we won't agree and I'm content to leave it at that as both sides of the argument have very good points, but please get the facts straight before you try to discredit my side.

Sacramento Was NOT favored in the 2002 series vs. the Lakers. That is ridiculous. Many were predicting we were going to be SWEPT (it having happened the year before and not having Peja). By Game 7, who knows what the odds were. We were at home and had proven we could play with them WITHOUT our #2 player.

in 2003 we took Dallas to Game 7 WITHOUT our superstar. And while people continue to be delusional about that Dallas team, they won 60 games that year and went 6 games with San Antonio the next round. I wonder if they would have showed as well without Dirk.

I have made this point before -- the ONLY series we have been favored to win that we have lost in the Adelman era was Dallas in '03, and we wereonly favored to win it so long as we had Chris Webber. We lost to a vastly better Utah team in '99, to a vastly better Lakers team in '00, to a defending champion Lakers team in '01, to a TWO-TIME defending champion Lakers team in '02, to a 60 win Mavs team in '03, without Chris Webber, to the #1 seed in the Western Conference T-Wolves in '04, and to the division champion and #3 seed Sonics in '05. And the last 4 of those years we did it with major injuries lurking all over the roster.

[slugking50]

That is not good enough. I wonder what Rex Hughes is doing these days.
What about the following ...

Eddie Jor....oh sorry he already has a job
Sonny Allen
Maura McHugh
Bill Russell no longer works for the Celtics
Jerry Reynolds can coach and talk about the team at the same time :rolleyes:

RIDICULOUS!!!!

Hey, You forgot about Dick Motta. Harrold Pressely's favorite coach...lol

[Burrito06]

What other good coaches are out there exactly? Everyone is always saying "Fire Rick" but they don't see that there are really only 5 elite coaches out there and I consider Rick to be one of them so if you would rather have a Mo Cheeks or a going back to the old days Gary St. Jean then that is your own opinion.

[Ryle]

It's not about snagging another teams head coach. There are plenty of Assistants on NBA benches that are worthy of head coaching gigs. Remember before Adelman was hired we had interviewed a relatively unknown Assistant by the name of Rick Carlisle???? Sure would have been nice to hire him instead of Adelman. What he did with Indiana last year was amazing.

[starks]

It's not about snagging another teams head coach. There are plenty of Assistants on NBA benches that are worthy of head coaching gigs. Remember before Adelman was hired we had interviewed a relatively unknown Assistant by the name of Rick Carlisle???? Sure would have been nice to hire him instead of Adelman. What he did with Indiana last year was amazing.

RA is the most underrated coach in NBA and firing him wouldn't solve the problem. And name at least three assitants the are worthy of haed coaching gigs, better than Rick...btw why is Calrlise better than RA?

[RoyalDiva]

It's not about snagging another teams head coach. There are plenty of Assistants on NBA benches that are worthy of head coaching gigs. Remember before Adelman was hired we had interviewed a relatively unknown Assistant by the name of Rick Carlisle???? Sure would have been nice to hire him instead of Adelman. What he did with Indiana last year was amazing.

You are automatically assuming that he would of been successful with the Kings just because of what he did with Indiana? A completely different set of players, circumstances, management, etc., so that comparison doesn't work at all.

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Because Rick Carlisle has accomplished so much more than Rick Adelman! Like when he led Detroit to the Championship in 2004... no, wait, that wasn't him... Or at least when he got them to the Finals in 2003... no, that didn't happen... Well, at least he showed how wrong Detroit was to fire him when he eliminated them from the playoffs in 2004 and 2005... aw crap, that didn't happen, either!

Well, if nothing else, he can say that he won the division twice, and that's something that Rick Adelman has NEVER done!


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[Ryle]

You are automatically assuming that he would of been successful with the Kings just because of what he did with Indiana? A completely different set of players, circumstances, management, etc., so that comparison doesn't work at all.

He's a great coach, that's all I'm saying.

[uolj]

Its obvious we won't agree and I'm content to leave it at that as both sides of the argument have very good points, but please get the facts straight before you try to discredit my side.I don't see where any of my facts have been discredited. If you don't want to continue the discussion, that's fine (although it reinforces my earlier point). But if you want to make statements like "get your facts straight", please actually show where my facts are crooked. :p

[piksi]

just to bump up this before someone opens another one

[Gary]

Is Adleman TRYING to get fired? Or is he clueless when to put in/take out reserves? There was no flow to this game, and the substitution pattern again sucked. I say give him until game 10. If the Kings aren't at least .500 than fire him. We don't need to see this all year. I am tired of it already.

After we fire Adleman than trade Williamson, and Thomas. Maybe get in a backup that wants to play backup.

[chelle]

I hate to cave and I STILL BELIEVE THAT COACHES RARELY ARE TO BLAME FOR TEAM FAILURES AT THIS LEVEL, but maybe a change is in order. Hence the age old question, if not RA, then . . . ?

[VF21]

Is Adleman TRYING to get fired? Or is he clueless when to put in/take out reserves? There was no flow to this game, and the substitution pattern again sucked. I say give him until game 10. If the Kings aren't at least .500 than fire him. We don't need to see this all year. I am tired of it already.

After we fire Adleman than trade Williamson, and Thomas. Maybe get in a backup that wants to play backup.

Once again, I find it so funny that Adelman is the one taking the blame for the lack of focus or effort by some members of our team. Peja was MIA; the only thing Adelman should be faulted for is not benching him and leaving Corliss in. Miller looked atrocious; and it wasn't because of Adelman. He didn't get a call in the beginning and he started his infamous pouty face routine. We don't have any other bigs, however, that can actually body up against Ben Wallace so Miller was pretty much the only choice open, even though he disappeared once he lost his cool.

This game points out the obvious: WE HAVE NO DEFENSE. It's not Adelman's fault. He can't pull defense out of the air if the players Petrie brings to the team don't care about it to begin with...

If things don't get better quickly there will undoubtedly be more calls for RA's head and it's a shame. If you're going to be fired, you should at least be fired for something you've done wrong. In RA's case, he hasn't been given adequate tools to do his job properly and it showed pretty painfully tonight...

One other thing? It's real easy to say "trade Williamson and Thomas." Do you honestly think Petrie hasn't been trying? They are NOT going to draw a lot of offers.

At this point, I would pull the trigger on any deal that got us even a half-arsed defender in return for Peja and anybody else it took. Mark my words. Peja is going to break our hearts again... teasing us with a performance just like the 3rd quarter against Phoenix and then turning around and putting forth a total lack of anything resembling all-star caliber play like tonight. He's done it for 7 years.

[chelle]

It is getting very hard to be supportive of him. (Peja, not Adleman)

[kingsofnba]

IF we fired adelman, what are the options to replace him??? i need names!!!

[chelle]

For me, that is the point. I do not see anyone more qualified than him. I really do not beleive that getting rid of him will solve any of our problems other than give us another scapegoat.

[KP]

One other thing? It's real easy to say "trade Williamson and Thomas." Do you honestly think Petrie hasn't been trying? They are NOT going to draw a lot of offers. I thought this was why he made the trade for them in the first place. To gain us some flexibility. What exactly has Petrie built here? In the next few weeks we are going to find out. Could there be... the first ever... Fire Petrie thread??

[Zyphen]

It's pretty half-assed just to fire Adelman. We should ship out the Revolving Door, Invisible Man, and Furious George as well. Give Petrie his walking papers too. Collect as many 1st/2nd round picks as possible while taking on crap players and a 3rd tier temporary coach that'll babysit for the remainder of the season. I suppose this could wait a few more games but where's the fun in that?

[uolj]

I don't really pay attention to what the coach does wrong (or what he does right when the team is playing well), so I was wondering, what was it about tonights game that makes people think about firing Adelman?

[Zyphen]

They seem to think a rotation adjustment makes the difference between blowout and victory.

[R1LOVER]

Send both of them to the EDD line..................

I'm tired of Coach standing there on the sidelines with his arms folded... lol

[80sdemon]

The fact is that this team is loaded with crappy players who can't score a basketball or defend a shot. When peja or bibby(especially bibby) or brad, take a dump, then it is up to other players to fill the gaps. We do not, I repeat, do NOT have any scoring machines outside of the inconsistant peja and bibby. Bibby is not even that good of a guard. He can't spread the floor for crap.
Addleman is stuck with crappy(mainly black) players. Many scrubs on former teams.

I don't understand petrie at all. Why did he go for a bunch of scrub/stiff 3rd rate type players when we could of had some sic all star euros(who would be far more productive than what we've got.

Bibby is deplorable, we could of had any number of wicked pg's(that can play D, spread the floor and score the ball. Stefan Hamman(german cup mvp), diamantidis(6'5 ultra tough pg, greek mvp of eurobasket), marko popovic(croatian mvp), juan carlos navarro(another all star), gianmarco pozzecco(at least as a backup for bombing threes and breaking down defenses with his speed and ability to spread the floor.

For bigs, we lack after brad. Skinner is a decent shot blocker. Not as good as a robert javtokas, who blocked duncan, marion, amare and odom in one olympic game. Skinner at 6'9 is undersized and ineficient.

would should have grabbed these beast type players instead.
robert javtokas 6'11 260 (uleb cup mvp) 25 y/o

nikola vujcic(maccabi tel aviv center and tough defender, banger, scorer. had 22 against the raptors. had a tripple double in euroleage. only 24.

darius lavrinovic

robert gulyas huge 7'1 340 monster. avergaed like 15ppg in europe. 31 though.

if we simply wanted blocked shots and good backup C's, we could have went after the spider man, eurelejus zukauskas.

for PF we could have grabbed the toughest player in europe, kaspars kambala. the guy was a beast at unlv and stomped other current nba centers in college. he had 34 against rasho when they played slovenia. he didn't get to play in the nba probably because his coach took money. why fault the player? spreewell and webber got exceptions for REAL illegal crap.

for SF backup jorge garbajosa is a strong hustling reliable all star player who can give you 12-15 ppg.


Getting rid of songaila was a stupid move.

I want a championship not barely making the playoffs. This team dosen't inspire me in the least.

[bozzwell]

Can we nuke this freak (80sdemon)? I mean, like really nuke him?

[hoopsfan]

^^ Smacks of racism..no? Not cool.

(Not you bozzwell)

[Mad D]

Can we nuke this freak (80sdemon)? I mean, like really nuke him?that's like the 4th time he's been banned. 5th if you count another site I visit.

[UclaKingsFan]

IF we fired adelman, what are the options to replace him??? i need names!!!

I think the problem is that all of the coaches who are superior to Adelman are already employed by other pro and college basketball teams as either head coaches or assistant coaches. To fire Adelman mid-season would be equivalent to giving up on this season, as any interim coach probably could not do a better job during the regular season. Any coaching change should occur during the off-season, I believe, as a much larger pool of potential coaches would be available to us.

As for possible names next year, how about Mark Few from Gonzaga? He has built that program into a national power while maximizing the talent that he is able to recruit--talent that is below the bigger programs, but he always seems to get them to play together as an aggressive, hungry team. Maybe its time he received a shot in the NBA. More realistically though, if Adelman were to be fired at year's end, I think the team would look at names liker Porter or Carlesimo. I'm not advocating those two, but I believe its the direction the team would look to--coaches with previous NBA experience.

[Bricklayer]

Can we nuke this freak (80sdemon)? I mean, like really nuke him?

I've got an IP address and geographic location, but am a bit concerend about the moral implications of incinerating 1,000,000 innocent people just to fry one pest.... but only a bit. Get me that nuke and consider the problem solved. :p

[SLAB]

I've got an IP address and geographic location, but am a bit concerend about the moral implications of incinerating 1,000,000 innocent people just to fry one pest.... but only a bit. Get me that nuke and consider the problem solved. :p

LMAO!

You're to much, sometimes Bricky!

[bozzwell]

I've got an IP address and geographic location, but am a bit concerend about the moral implications of incinerating 1,000,000 innocent people just to fry one pest.... but only a bit. Get me that nuke and consider the problem solved. :p

What are the moral implications if you "accidentally" press the button? ;)

[AleksandarN]

If we continue to play like does. Will Rick suffer the same fate that Flip went through in when he got fired by the T'wolves mid season? It just seems like the players are not responding to him. I hope I am wrong but if we continue playing like we are he could be gone by January. I am not agianst Rick and do not think he is bad coach but I think he just does not get through to the players anymore on this team the same(thing that happened to Flip). Look at Flip I could see this happen to Rick where after leaving the Kings he goes to coach a team that improves dramatically.

[Bricklayer]

For all of his stupidity though, there is one important issue he actually does touch on. People want to blame Adelman for this. But who assembled this team? Why is he sacrosanct? I think Geoff can pull off sneaky trades with the best of them, but I have been becoming increasingly concerend about his feel for how to put together a winning balanced team. Teams that look liek we do -- Portland, Memphis, Dallas a couple of years ago etc. -- always have problems getting it together. I am going to repeat this mantra again -- this isn't fantasy ball. You need guys who are natural roleplayers. Need defenders. Too many cooks can in fact spoil the stew, and I don't care who the coach is.

Think Rick has as good a chance as anybody to get this team pointed in the same direction because of his ability to manage egos. But its an ungainly mix that is going to require constant attention and work to keep in balance.

[Circa_1985_Fan]

If we continue to play like does. Will Rick suffer the same fate that Flip went through in when he got fired by the T'wolves mid season? It just seems like the players are not responding to him. I hope I am wrong but if we continue playing like we are he could be gone by January. I am not agianst Rick and do not think he is bad coach but I think he just does not get through to the players anymore on this team the same(thing that happened to Flip). Look at Flip I could see this happen to Rick where after leaving the Kings he goes to coach a team that improves dramatically.
Still way to early in the life of a team that is still getting familiar with each other...ask that question after 20-25 games...because thats about how long its gonna take for the players to learn each other's 'ism's'. I expected a slow, awkward start to this year...and for the team to gel by about the 30th game and then hit its stride. But hey, I could be wrong, just my 2 cents.

[bozzwell]

For all of his stupidity though, there is one important issue he actually does touch on. People want to blame Adelman for this. But who assembled this team? Why is he sacrosanct? I think Geoff can pull off sneaky trades with the best of them, but I have been becoming increasingly concerend about his feel for how to put together a winning balanced team. Teams that look liek we do -- Portland, Memphis, Dallas a couple of years ago etc. -- always have problems getting it together. I am going to repeat this mantra again -- this isn't fantasy ball. You need guys who are natural roleplayers. Need defenders. Too many cooks can in fact spoil the stew, and I don't care who the coach is.

Think Rick has as good a chance as anybody to get this team pointed in the same direction because of his ability to manage egos. But its an ungainly mix that is going to require constant attention and work to keep in balance.

If that was your way of asking if Petrie's moves of last 12 months were bad but managable (i.e. RA will fix it) or has the whole retooling process been derailed by Petrie, I say it is the latter. Even when fixed (and I don't doubt that Rick will get them to respectability) this team will not be a contender and it will be devoid of the type of trade-bait that brings in premier players in return.

[Diabeticwonder]

I always thought that starting in the 2003 season the team began to tune Rick out. However, the team as constituted now is so completely different than that time and is so different than one year ago that I don't think that's the case anymore at all. I really belive that the team is having a hard time getting used to each other. The Kings run a much different system than most other teams in the league and 3/5 of the starting lineup are not very athletic, which makes it difficult to succeed if the system is not run the way it is supposed to be ran. Now, if Mike, Brad and Peja were all very gifted athletically then they could let their skills take over when the system isn't working, but that's not the case. Mike, Brad and Peja depend on the motion offense to be effective and in order for it to be effective all 5 on the court have to be on the same page. I think that this will eventually happen, but it's going to take some time...perhaps as many as 20 games. When they do get it, I think that this team will be good and will have a legitimate shot at winning the division. Look, they are 1-3 with 12 of their next 15 at home. After those 15 games I think and I hope that we will see a completely different team than we have seen so far.

[KP]

Petrie has made some highly questionable moves starting last season.

[CreeksideBaller]

we already have an RA thread...

[AleksandarN]

Still way to early in the life of a team that is still getting familiar with each other...ask that question after 20-25 games...because thats about how long its gonna take for the players to learn each other's 'ism's'. I expected a slow, awkward start to this year...and for the team to gel by about the 30th game and then hit its stride. But hey, I could be wrong, just my 2 cents.

I just wonder if he can motivate the team like he used too. I think his time is done with this core(Bibby,Miller, Pedja) Either that or the core gets changed. Either change the core or I can see Rick suffer the same fate as Flip in Minny if they continue to play the same way.

[Bricklayer]

Still way to early in the life of a team that is still getting familiar with each other...ask that question after 20-25 games...because thats about how long its gonna take for the players to learn each other's 'ism's'. I expected a slow, awkward start to this year...and for the team to gel by about the 30th game and then hit its stride. But hey, I could be wrong, just my 2 cents.

I think the real question is not we the fans waiting though, or Geoff waiting, but rather will the Maloofs have the patience to see this through? That was what I was saying after the New Orleans loss. If we just hang in there long enough, with all of this talent we should eventually be pretty good if nothing else. But if things go poorly early there is just a significant risk that the Maloofs will panic, or the players will check out and start playing for themselves etc. If we could just blink ahead 30 games, maybe we'll be in better rhythm (would almost have to be, being 2pts from 0-4 at this point). But its surviving and keeping everybody beleiving UNTIL that 30th game that is the concern, for me at least.

[Diabeticwonder]

I think the real question is not we the fans waiting though, or Geoff waiting, but rather will the Maloofs have the patience to see this through? That was what I was saying after the New Orleans loss. If we just hang in there long enough, with all of this talent we should eventually be pretty good if nothing else. But if things go poorly early there is just a significant risk that the Maloofs will panic, or the players will check out and start playing for themselves etc. If we could just blink ahead 30 games, maybe we'll be in better rhythm (would almost have to be, being 2pts from 0-4 at this point). But its surviving and keeping everybody beleiving UNTIL that 30th game that is the concern, for me at least.
I couldn't agree more. If they begin 10-20 or something like that then I do think that the Maloofs might panick and pull the trigger on Rick. If they do, then maybe they can get Phil Garner to come and resucitate us just as he did the Astros.

[Bricklayer]

I couldn't agree more. If they begin 10-20 or something like that then I do think that the Maloofs might panick and pull the trigger on Rick. If they do, then maybe they can get Phil Garner to come and resucitate us just as he did the Astros.

On a positive note, have a BIG long home streak coming up with a number of patsies mixed in. A chance to gain some traction and maybe come together as a team a bit.

[Smart_guy3]

I think this team can build some confidence in them Brick, but I wish this Organization realizes that it's time for a different coach to lead this team I have nothing against Adelman but his time IMO with the Kings are done.

[FullAB]

You know...I'm not quite sure I'm ready say "fire Adelman", but I am beginning to get annoyed with the repetitive post game press conference where Coach Rick explains how, once again, the team didn't maintain intensity, energy....blah, blah,blah....

Who do I see about that?

[PFFFT!!]

I would trade a couple of the so called "core 3" guys plus thomas for KG. Our core 3 know no D, cant jump, get outhustled 99% of the time, and did I mention can't jump?. Im unhappiest with Peja, Bibby, and Miller's frustrations. I would be fine having only one of them, but three statues?Also, its so obvious that Thomas is frustrated on the bench. His play has been poor and he makes bad decision. Funny thing is Bonzi and SAR have played the most consistent, and they are the newbs on the team. Id love to hear comments from the homers.

[L.A. Brian]

I would trade a couple of the so called "core 3" guys plus thomas for KG. Our core 3 know no D, cant jump, get outhustled 99% of the time, and did I mention can't jump?. Im unhappiest with Peja, Bibby, and Miller's frustrations. I would be fine having only one of them, but three statues?
I think you've pretty much explained why Minny might want no part of them, especially now since they're not viable contenders and probably still wouldn't be with two of the core three. Maybe it's worth the risk if they were a player or two away from contention, but they'd be mired in the good-not-great category the Kings are in, plus with at least one grossly overpaid contract added to their payroll.

[LPKingsFan]

Back to a coaching change:

If the Maloofs wanted to make some roster moves as well, and try to get back in the title hunt, I would say push hard to get Pat Riley out of retirement or sign Adelman to an extension unless it's really clear that the players have given up on him after about 20 games or so.

If they want to go in the rebuilding mode, I wouldn't mind seeing someone like Eric Musselman, I thought he actually showed promise in Golden State.

[LPKingsFan]

Also, if we wanted to keep a similar system, we could turn to former assistants Byron Scott (if fired from NO/OK) or Terry Porter (recently fired from the Bucks, albeit under shady conditions).

[AleksandarN]

I would love Jerry Sloan coaching this team. What are his chances of leaving the Jazz. We need toughness and that mentality starts from the coach. I think our softness comes from Ricks coaching style and personality this team needs a in your face type of coach. If not a new coach a new core because this current team and how they are playing can not go on like this or else we can say goodbye to the playoffs.

[Bricklayer]

Also, if we wanted to keep a similar system, we could turn to former assistants Byron Scott (if fired from NO/OK) or Terry Porter (recently fired from the Bucks, albeit under shady conditions).

Unfortunately I see absolutely no way a guy like Riley would come here for a variety of reasons -- he's got control of his own franchise in Miami, lives in the fast paced glam city of his choice (as opposed to Sac) and if he wants to coach has a team right there in front of him that he built his way (around a giant post center).

But Porter is out there. Could see that. Not really sure what it would accomplish THIS season given that he runs a very similar system to Rick and has a modest track record. But he was always one of the guys that seemed to make sense if we were looking to "stay the course" with a similar coach who was part of the family. Of course, if the point was to shake things up, is that really how we'd want to play it? Or would we want a significant change of style?

[Bricklayer]

I would love Jerry Sloan coaching this team. What are his chances of leaving the Jazz. We need toughness and that mentality starts from the coach. I think our softness comes from Ricks coaching style and personality this team needs a in your face type of coach. If not a new coach a new core because this current team and how they are playing can not go on like this or else we can say goodbye to the playoffs.

Sloan is near the end now, and has been a bit dubious in recent years anyway. Hard to see him not just retiring as a Utah lifer. He'd have an absolute fit if presented with all our softies anyway -- there'd be much screaming and wailing from all sides.

That's the thing about a midseason coaching change -- ok, sure, you want to switch coaches to try to fix the GMs mistakes. But who is really out there that you KNOW will make things better and not worse?

[AleksandarN]

Sloan is near the end now, and has been a bit dubious in recent years anyway. Hard to see him not just retiring as a Utah lifer. He'd have an absolute fit if presented with all our softies anyway -- there'd be much screaming and wailing from all sides.

That's the thing about a midseason coaching change -- ok, sure, you want to switch coaches to try to fix the GMs mistakes. But who is really out there that you KNOW will make things better and not worse?

bobby knight

[Bricklayer]

bobby knight

Where is the smiley. ;)

Bobby Knight could NOT teach the pros. There'd be a lineup to go Latrell on him. ;) (perhaps headed by me since I think the guy desperately needs to be strung up for being such an *******)

[RoyalDiva]

Yeah, but that sure would be a great train wreck to watch!! ;)

[OptimusRhyme]

Rick Patino, knows the princeton offence, runs it in Louisville.

[Bricklayer]

Rick Patino, knows the princeton offence, runs it in Louisville.

....and was a miserable failure in the pros. Not to mention that big-time college coaches are not going to leave their teams midseason.

Not being negative -- just realistic. All that's out there midseason is unemployed guys or your own assistants.

[RoyalDiva]

People keep ticking off great coaches as replacements for Adelman, but what they fail to state is why they would be great for OUR team. No one is talking about the chemistry elements. How exactly would they fit in with our guys that would be so much better than Adelman?

[AleksandarN]

People keep ticking off great coaches as replacements for Adelman, but what they fail to state is why they would be great for OUR team. No one is talking about the chemistry elements. How exactly would they fit in with our guys that would be so much better than Adelman?

The problem I see is that the core players are not really responding to Rick anymore, This is the same situation that Flip was in Minny. We need a different approach whether it is with a new set of core players or a new coach the path we are heading to is one that does not include the playoffs. We must be a better team.

[yanon]

What the Kings don't need is a coach that just want to fit in. Adelman is that type of coach. If the team needs coaching change, then it should be looking for a coach who commands players.

[thenbakings]

We need a coach with some fire that will get on somebody's a**. The players are playing with no heart and do not respond to Adelman anymore. It is past time to get rid of him. It should have been done last year. He has taken this team as far as he can take them.

[Fillmoe]

i bet this thread surfaces after every bad loss.......

[AleksandarN]

i bet this thread surfaces after every bad loss.......

I bet this tread closes or dies when Rick gets fired or steps down.

[thesanityannex]

Jon Gruden anyone?

[Smart_guy3]

Should we go after SVG if the Heat fire him? I think he will likely get the boot and Riley will take over I wouldn't mind having him.

[kingsofnba]

if the kings continue playing like this, i think RA head will be the first to roll... i give the kings 15 games to turn it around, otherwise i think the maloofs pull the plug on the adelman era... if the kings are something like 4 or 5 wins and 11 losses, i think the maloofs will fire RA... the team just doesn't seem to have any fire or energy playing anymore... i think the kings may have tuned RA out...

[Sum182]

The Kings are having a losing streak, not because the players, but because the coach Rick Adelman. This guy thinks the team still has a good bench, but unfortunately, that was 2 years ago.

He puts all the bench in the second quarter when the kings are winning by only a few points. When the bench enters the game, the opponent team takes the lead for about 10 points.

An offesive minded coach with an all offensive team/ an no defensive coach with an no defensive team. What Sacramento needs is a deffensive minded coach, to teach them how to defend (specially Stojakovic, he just cant defend), Because the king's players are all offensive. It will be a balanced team, The best team in the NBA.

Adelman is a common coach, the type of coach that only knows offense.
Have you ever noticed how hard it is for the kings to make a shot and how easy it is to its opponent to make it. Other issue is that Rick sits Stojakovich when he is on fire on the third quarter instead of letting him increase the lead... On the 4th qtr. Peja doesnt shoot!!!

And what is this coach thinking when he puts K-Mart to play? (this guy is in pure progress) He is giving him too much minutes. The same on Francisco Garcia instead of putting Corliss Williamson to play.

Our team must change its coach or they wont make the playoffs.
Losing to New Orleans is a real embarassment, maybe the worst team in the league.

I'm tired of Sacramento be an almost winner, it's time to make a change and be #1...

[DeAtHrOw]

What Sacramento needs is a deffensive minded coach, to teach them how to defend (specially Stojakovic, he sucks in deffense),


Peja is one of the best defenders on the Kings team. It also goes to show you how bad our defence is.

[playmaker0017]

Peja is one of the best defenders on the Kings team. It also goes to show you how bad our defence is.

Did I hear that correctly? Peja is one of the BEST defenders on the team?

He's, quite possibly, the worst defender on the team .... but Mike Bibby has a lot to say on the subject.

But, Peja is certainly not one of the better defenders on the team. He's awful. Simply awful. The others range from good (Skinner) to mediocre (Miller) to bad (Thomas).

[DeAtHrOw]

Did I hear that correctly? Peja is one of the BEST defenders on the team?

He's, quite possibly, the worst defender on the team .... but Mike Bibby has a lot to say on the subject.

But, Peja is certainly not one of the better defenders on the team. He's awful. Simply awful. The others range from good (Skinner) to mediocre (Miller) to bad (Thomas).

I suggest you watch some games instead of checking out nba.com to follow games :rolleyes:

[thesanityannex]

I suggest you watch some games instead of checking out nba.com to follow games :rolleyes:seriously. peja is definitely one of the best defenders out of starters.

[DeAtHrOw]

seriously. peja is definitely one of the best defenders out of starters.

Thank you. And as stated before this only emphasizes our dire need for some defense.

[Sum182]

What Sacramento needs is a deffensive minded coach, to teach them how to defend (specially Stojakovic, he sucks in deffense),


Peja is one of the best defenders on the Kings team. It also goes to show you how bad our defence is.

Peja is the worst defender on the team and in the NBA. Bonzi Wells and Brian Skinner are the best defens the kings have.

[playmaker0017]

I suggest you watch some games instead of checking out nba.com to follow games :rolleyes:

Jeez. I guess I'll go ahead and cancel my League Pass. I was sure i was watching all the games, including preseason, but I must not have.

Thank you for your words of wisdom.

[playmaker0017]

seriously. peja is definitely one of the best defenders out of starters.

His man is consistantly getting position, rebounds, good looks at the basket.

We can have different opinions on the matter, but to me, Peja and Bibby could make the all-star non-defensive squad ... or at least the second unit.

[4cwebb]

I think Peja's acquitted himself as a serviceable man-to-man defender over the past few years. Haven't seen any of this year's games to this point (and just from looking at the box score, Peja certainly didn't do much to bother Prince's third quarter explosion the other night), but I'd be surprised if he's seriously regressed.

Of course, I'm not going to go out on a limb and say Peja is a good defender as he does virtually nothing from a team defense perspective. That being said, he usually isn't the Kings' achilles heel in man-to-man (that title belongs to Bibby and Bibby alone).

[acisking]

Sorry, but the refrain is tired and old - and very typical of some previous posters who are no longer here.

The Kings didn't FOLD in the WCF because of poor coaching. In addition, they didn't FOLD the next year - they were doing quite well until a certain power forward crumbled to the floor and didn't get up. The Kings hopes to go further sprawled there on the court with him.

Last year, they didn't FOLD as much as they were simply outplayed after mid-season trades that pretty much guaranteed an early exit from the playoffs.

Right now, the coach is the least of our problems.

Feel free to continue to rail against Adelman and his inadequacies. We'll agree to disagree... with the understanding that at the end of the year, if not before, it may all end up being moot anyway.


great quote vf

[playmaker0017]

great quote vf

I'm with VF too.

RA is the least of the problems right now.

I think the biggest problem is personnel.

It's no coincidence that the biggest World Champion contenders have DEEEEEEEP benches.

Then I think that Bibby is just not the man to run point. I'm still on the fence about Peja. I think he's a phenominal second option and should be kept, if possible. But, Bibby can't initiate an offense. He can't properly run the pick and roll or pick and pop or get the ball into the post ... and that would be our bread and butter with this line up. That's our biggest problem right now.

[Sum182]

seriously. peja is definitely one of the best defenders out of starters.

I don't think so. I suggest you watch today's game to see that Peja is the worst defender in the League after Cuttino Mobley. That guy really sucks at deffense. The best defender in the starting 5 is Bonzi Wells.

Those who does'nt agree I invite you to see top plays on a DVD or something like that and I assure yo that you will see Peja in at least five plays defending (standing still).

[vj9999]

I don't think so. I suggest you watch today's game to see that Peja is the worst defender in the League after Cuttino Mobley. That guy really sucks at deffense. The best defender in the starting 5 is Bonzi Wells.

Those who does'nt agree I invite you to see top plays on a DVD or something like that and I assure yo that you will see Peja in at least five plays defending (standing still).

Peja is not the best nor the worst in the league. He is not even the worst defender in our starting lineup.

I would dare to say that his defending has actually steadily improved over the years and he has become a better one on one defender. Rest of his defending skills still leave a bit to be desired, but he is not aweful.

Am I feeding a troll?

[Kings113]

Peja is the worst defender on the team and in the NBA..

Well, that's quite the exaggeration.

Peja is not the best nor the worst in the league. He is not even the worst defender in our starting lineup.

I would dare to say that his defending has actually steadily improved over th