Kings v. Suns game thread

[piksi]

Plenty of time till the game starts.

So here is the fair warning to everybody.



WALTON ALLERT !


Entering at Your own risk.

God bless You!

[Twix]

Thanks for the warning, piksi! :)


GOO KINGS!!! I'm glad it's finally on national TV so I can watch it! http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[bibbyweb]

They are not showing the game on the TV :(.

[stifeler]

what u people got against walton?

im just asking i honestly dont know

[fakie]

They are not showing the game on the TV :(.
it's on ESPN i believe.
this is my first game to watch since last season.

too excited, words can't convey.

[The Freak]

what u people got against walton?

im just asking i honestly dont know
Well this is from my point of view:

First of all, he's such a bandwagoner. Before his son was on the Lakers, he kept on saying how the Lakers are just going to win it all year after year. After they lost, he kept on switching his so called "favorite teams".

Second, whenever any team would play the Lakers, he would always say something negative about that team and compliment the Lakers.

[piksi]

what u people got against walton?

im just asking i honestly dont know

Just listen to his comentary. If it starts making sense - please let us know. The fact that he favores LAL definitely speaks against him. BW is able to make a bad game even worse.

[Bricklayer]

Lakers are irrelevant when it comes to Walton. He's still a bombastic fool even when covering Magic vs. Hawks. Never understood why some people actually LIKE to have that loudmouthed buffoon yabbering in their ears incessantly during games in order to make them "entertaining". Isn't the game entertaining enough itself? And isn't Walton the same insufferable fool who you make a point of NOT inviting over to your house to watch the game because he simply won't shut up and will constantly spew B.S. and ruin the game for everyone else?

[piksi]

Lakers are irrelevant when it comes to Walton. He's still a bombastic fool even when covering Magic vs. Hawks. Never understood why some people actually LIKE to have that loudmouthed buffoon yabbering in their ears incessantly during games in order to make them "entertaining". Isn't the game entertaining enough itself? And isn't Walton the same insufferable fool who you make a point of NOT inviting over to your house to watch the game because he simply won't shut up and will constantly spew B.S. and ruin the game for everyone else?

could not have said it better myself.

P.S.

He does shut up sometimes - when they go to comercials
:D

[rhuber]

Lakers are irrelevant when it comes to Walton. He's still a bombastic fool even when covering Magic vs. Hawks. Never understood why some people actually LIKE to have that loudmouthed buffoon yabbering in their ears incessantly during games in order to make them "entertaining". Isn't the game entertaining enough itself? And isn't Walton the same insufferable fool who you make a point of NOT inviting over to your house to watch the game because he simply won't shut up and will constantly spew B.S. and ruin the game for everyone else?
LOL... Now every time I come across someone who fits that bill... I'll silently refer to them as a "Walton". I think we all have at least one Walton in our lives.

[LMM]

ok.. detroit comes back from a 15 point lead.. it's only a 4 pt wolves lead now.. 2:25 left.. if they push this game to overtime, i will kill myself..


uhh.. ok, i may not kill myself.. but i'll be PO'd.. they better do that ESPN alternate thing if this goes to OT..

[The Freak]

Doug is PLAYING!!! w00t!

[Pacboy]

Doug is PLAYING!!! w00t!
But webb isn't

[4cwebb]

anyone know why CWebb isn't playing?

[LMM]

yeah.. doug's playing.. i hope he didn't rush things, though.. hopefully he's 100% and he won't make things worse by playing tonight..

[Bballkingsrock]

I am watching the game but why is Doug playing?

[LMM]

4cwebb --kings are just being cautious.. i guess they didn't wanna play him back to back before the season starts..

[zip95843]

ZERO rebounds.... That can't be good...

[LMM]

I am watching the game but why is Doug playing?
he said his foot is feeling much better.. and he wants to play before the start of the season..

[zip95843]

Finally DSong hears me...

[piksi]

No defense of any kind

Can not hit lay ups

No rebounding


Does that sound familiar ?

[Since93]

Our defense worries me.. :(

[Pacboy]

wow..im really impress with Matt Barnes. Very good hustle

[piksi]

preseason or not - we suck!

[Bricklayer]

wow..im really impress with Matt Barnes. Very good hustle
While Martin may look more than Doug facially, Barnes is actually impressing me as kind of a poor man's D.C. Nowhere near the defense of course. But long, athletic and versatile with a bit of a shaky jumper. And the thing I like is that he's a good and willing passer. Even saw us having him bring the ball up court there with Bobby in the game, which is one of the things that Doug can do for us that most OG types really can't.

[4cwebb]

Phoenix shooting above 70% and now up by 20. Good lord, this preseason has been discouraging, even if it is only the preseason.

[piksi]

Phoenix shooting 71.9 %

[Gargamel]

what u people got against walton?

im just asking i honestly dont know
It's absolutely HOOOOORRIBLE the way they treat me, isn't it? Woah! That was the best missed shot in the HIStory of the game. The pageantry, the spectacle, the beauty, the excitement that these NBA thoroughbreds are displaying tonight! Goodness gracious, snakes alive!

http://www.allamericanspeakers.com/sportspeakers/photos/Bill_Walton.jpg

[Since93]

Is it gonna be that easy to turn the switch just like that? The regular season is just 4 days away. I hope I am wrong. Our players just look uninterested.

[Geoff]

There's positive reinforcement, and there's sticking our heads in the sand.

Why is Phoenix leading by almost 20?

[Bricklayer]

This is kind of why I felt like the slack effort last night was a bit of a concern. Winning/losing doesn't matter in the preseason, but you would like to at least be playing solid cohesive ball by the last few games.

But now the preseason reality -- we were just in a lineup of 2 PGs (Bibby/Bobby), the smallest rookie SF in NBA history in Martin, an undrafted SF playing PF in Daniels, and an undersized reserve PF playing C in Songaila.

[Since93]

Sorry but I somehow hope we got blown by 65.

We need that slap in our face. :mad:

[RaY Z]

now you can see why im getting worried!!!!!!!!!! WHERE GETTING KILLED OUT THERE!!!!!

where prolly gonna let let in 70 in the first half!!!!

wtf is wrong with our team? :(

[sloter]

I'm not too concerned as the complete downfall in this game started as soon as Pedja was taken out of the offense (when Bobby Jackson entered the game).
However, here's one message for the Kings:
Suck it up and don't suck!

[piksi]

Suck it up and don't suck!

too late.

imagine how bad our D would be with Vlade still playing. We do not have a PG in our team. Absolutely braindead.

[Bricklayer]

I'm not too concerned as the complete downfall in this game started as soon as Pedja was taken out of the offense (when Bobby Jackson entered the game).
However, here's one message for the Kings:
Suck it up and don't suck!
The "downfall of the Kings" had very little to do with Peja, and certainly nothing to do with the offense. We could have been on pace to score 120pts in the game and would still be being blown out. Fact of the matter is we played hard for about 4 minutes to start the game, were up 11-9. Then Phoenix ran of something like 14 straight points and never looked back.

[sloter]

Yep, but Sacramento came back and were in the game exactly until the point when Jackson came in and Pedja didn't touch the ball for the last 2-3 minutes of the first quarter.

[LMM]

i didn't think i'd be concerned with how the kings are playing in a preseason game.. but wow.. we're getting killed out there.. i thought they'd want to win this game since it's the last game before the season starts.. oh well.. let's see what they got when they begin the season.. the defense tonight is absolutely TERRIBLE! oh god..

we allow them to score 74 at the half (43 in the 2nd)
they shoot 70% fgs and 73% 3fgs! (while we shoot 35%fgs, and 20% 3fgs)
they have 20 assists, we have 10
they have 26 rebs, we have 14

sigh.. let's hope they get it together in time for the mavs on tuesday..

[fakie]

1. think they'll try to fight and win this game?
2. where is out defense?
3. what was brad miller talking to the ref about?

[Since93]

Put the defensive problem aside, which I think is so obvious, I am concern about our rookie Kevin Martin. His body is just not ready for the NBA. A serval times he has to adjust his shoot to aviod body contact. He can't hit those shots like that. He just too weak out there.

[PejaFanatic]

This is one ugly game for a preseason. So I am going out and when I come back, hopefully there will be a miracle.

Plsss......

[fakie]

wide open, peja for 3 beautiful as always
good to have something to cheer about.....
but what's up with trailing for almost 30 points?

[fakie]

78-55, and the crowd goes wild
yay

[fakie]

peja another beautiful 3 way behind the arch,
gotta love that man

[sloter]

Yep, Pedja is on another level from everyone else on this Kings team.

[fakie]

peja 2 more 3s in a row
the crowd is loving it
i am loving it
good to see some energy back

[HndsmCelt]

"Miller to Evans"... think we will be hearing that a lot this year

[fakie]

104-80, suns' lead
end of 3rd
we are getting more energy though, that's good

[LMM]

kings were 15/21 fgs in the third but they're still trailing by 24.. wow..

the suns lowest scoring qtr so far is the 3rd.. they ONLY scored 30.. lol

[AriesMar27]

Martin doesnt match up very well against this team.... Hopefully Barnes will become a consistent scorer. At the same time, I'm scared to see bobby running the second unit... Bobby, Martin, Barnes, Songailia and 'Tag... Bobby should get most of his minutes with the starters and let DC run the team. Sub Bobby in for Chirstie until the defense begins to suffer, then slowly bring in the second unit. I dont know... this bench just worries me, tons of hustle players but no scoring threat. Peja may have to play some serious minutes this season, cause we know webber cant, we cant take that risk...

[AriesMar27]

with evans and barnes on the team will Martin get enough minutes? they are both doing pretty well...

[HndsmCelt]

Phoenix is on fire 61% shooting... not sure anyone could sop this freight train tonight...

[fakie]

Martin doesnt match up very well against this team.... Hopefully Barnes will become a consistent scorer. At the same time, I'm scared to see bobby running the second unit... Bobby, Martin, Barnes, Songailia and 'Tag... Bobby should get most of his minutes with the starters and let DC run the team. Sub Bobby in for Chirstie until the defense begins to suffer, then slowly bring in the second unit. I dont know... this bench just worries me, tons of hustle players but no scoring threat. Peja may have to play some serious minutes this season, cause we know webber cant, we cant take that risk...
good points.
bobby's been the baby sitter this game.
well, it is the last game of the preseason. we'll see comes next week when the games start to count

[Bricklayer]

Actually its because of the lack of proven bench scorers that we need Bobby to provide us with that lift off the bench (he's pressing right now though). But Barnes/Evans/whoever realy isn't the relative portion of the bench. Barring injuries those guys probably won't be playing many minutes. Its really Bobby/Tag/Songaila/Martin (and/or maybe Alexander).

Would love to have is a second proven scorer emerge back there. Martin or Alexander (if he makes it) seem like the best bets.

[AriesMar27]

but with the guys that we have, who gives peja a rest? more importantly for how long? I dont know how long the team could hold up with both bibby and peja not on the floor unless webber And miller were out there. Maybe I should just wait until I see how well Tag plays, if he and Darius can hold there own, then i'll be ok with the bench.

[Bballkingsrock]

why didnt webber play?

[KingKong]

I'm assuming they were trying to be cautious with his knee, as it was a back-to back.

[KingKong]

Im really not all that concerned though, the only thing that concerns me is if Webber is not healthy to play when the real games start. Good to know that Chrisitie was back even if it was for a short stint.

[ReinadelosReys]

::reviews the last 8 games::

No new injuries....I deem this preseason a success! :)

[Twix]

I'm glad the last preseason game is over. Can't wait till Tuesday! :)

It was nice to see Doug play a few minutes.

[KingKong]

I do think that we underestimate Chrisite's presence though. He might be more valuable to the team than just about anyone.

[HndsmCelt]

Wow ugly, really ugly. I would feel alot beter about the season if the Kings had at least hung in there but thye got smoked... Ok sure it was preseason, sure Webber did not play, Tag did not play and DC played 7 min (0-3 shooting). But even so this was ugly. Not the feeling you want to see the team drag into the season. Of course this might motivate them to work harder and play harder.

OK tonights bright spots... Mo Evan.. the MO I see the Mo I like... It's not jsut his dunks, but his energy and movemnt with out the ball. That opp of His from Miller was picture perfect. His strenth give him an edge on some fo the other prospects. Daniels played a few serious min, but picked up garbage time as well. MOre good hustle but with Evans and Barnes ahead of him for a slot this might be the last time we see Daniels in a Kings jersey. Pdja definatly ahs his stroke back and Bobby is ready and able to lead the second squad... now if we can get a healthy crew the second squad may not be as bad as some folks feared. Bobby, Martin, Evans/Barnes, Songlia and Tag is not a bad second unit... really! I KNOW the starters can pull it together, but that does not mean that they don't have to... they do. The past 2 games havebeen relay bad for the starters and it is now up to them to pick it up pronto and head into Texas with an attitude and an arsenal.

[fakie]

why didnt webber play?

they just wanted to rest him before the searson starts. no injury related.

we had some good runs at the end of 3rd quater, although it was short-lived it was sweet.
that was the Kings i know. i've missed it all summer.

[bibbyweb]

We are not looking good at all.

[KingKong]

Could this be right? NBA.com has Phoenix with 58 rebounds to a pathetic 26 from us. Nice to see we addressed our weaknesses coming into this season. Yikes.

[Lamar_Odom]

Nothing to worry about. It's only the pre-season. There are 82 games in the regular season to get it together. ;)

[Gargamel]

Nothing to worry about. It's only the pre-season. There are 82 games in the regular season to get it together. ;)
That's the spirit.

[GoGoGadget]

Goodness gracious, snakes alive!

The "snakes alive" made me laugh very hard.

Thank you for that.

[quick dog]

Adelman's "bench presence" tells it all. We're doomed. I suppose it doesn't matter. I won't see very many games anyway. Comcast bites.

[coolhandluke]

I do think that we underestimate Chrisite's presence though. He might be more valuable to the team than just about anyone.

So true.

[RaY Z]

Nothing to worry about. It's only the pre-season. There are 82 games in the regular season to get it together. ;)
you gotta face the facts man THIS IS SOMETHING TO WORRY ABOUT!!!

[Lamar_Odom]

I just realized that the finale was played in Arco Arena. It looked like the Kings took the night off. If they get blown away by the Mavs in the opener, that would be a cause for legitimate concern. But even then, it's still just 1 out of 82. It's a long season.

One question: Are the Kings still hungry?

[VF21]

Okay, everyone quit panicking! ;)

My impressions of the game? We stunk. But we stunk for a variety of reasons that don't really have me sending up disaster flares quite yet.

First, the Suns were hitting everything from everywhere. At one point, their FG% was 72%. That was, in and of itself, unbelievable.

Second, the Kings just looked like they want the pre-season to be over and done with. In the Skyline Lounge after the game, after the initial crowd left, there were pretty much just a few of us - Koz on the air with Coach T and Scott Marsh. The consensus was that the China trip REALLY took its toil on the team and disrupted their whole routine of getting into game shape. I have to agree. They looked just slightly out of focus.

I have to give major props to Peja and Darius. I don't know how much you saw on TV and I don't know, of course, what the broadcasters had to say, but Peja was pretty much being mugged the entire time he was on the court. For the most part, I think he must have been invisible to the officials because he certainly didn't get the calls.

Darius didn't play perfect ball (none of them did) BUT he did play with hustle, intensity and - after one particularly nasty non-call in the second half - he played with a lot of focus. It was refreshing to see on a night when there wasn't a lot to be celebrating.

IMHO Matt Barnes has earned the right to continue to play for the Kings, as has Evans. I was not impressed with Daniels, who just didn't seem to be part of the flow. (Although considering the outcome of the game, that might not have been so bad...) He just didn't look good.

All in all, although it was an abysmal game if you just look at the score, I'm not going to throw in the towel. The veterans didn't play well and I think it was just mental exhaustion.

Speaking of exhaustion, I just realized I'm tired.

I'll catch up the prediction game results after I get some sleep...

Tidbit: When we left, we walked out next to Geoff Petrie. Unless I'm mistaken, he wears English Leather cologne.

;)

[KingKong]

Okay, everyone quit panicking! ;)

My impressions of the game? We stunk. But we stunk for a variety of reasons that don't really have me sending up disaster flares quite yet.

First, the Suns were hitting everything from everywhere. At one point, their FG% was 72%. That was, in and of itself, unbelievable.

Second, the Kings just looked like they want the pre-season to be over and done with. In the Skyline Lounge after the game, after the initial crowd left, there were pretty much just a few of us - Koz on the air with Coach T and Scott Marsh. The consensus was that the China trip REALLY took its toil on the team and disrupted their whole routine of getting into game shape. I have to agree. They looked just slightly out of focus.

I have to give major props to Peja and Darius. I don't know how much you saw on TV and I don't know, of course, what the broadcasters had to say, but Peja was pretty much being mugged the entire time he was on the court. For the most part, I think he must have been invisible to the officials because he certainly didn't get the calls.

Darius didn't play perfect ball (none of them did) BUT he did play with hustle, intensity and - after one particularly nasty non-call in the second half - he played with a lot of focus. It was refreshing to see on a night when there wasn't a lot to be celebrating.

IMHO Matt Barnes has earned the right to continue to play for the Kings, as has Evans. I was not impressed with Daniels, who just didn't seem to be part of the flow. (Although considering the outcome of the game, that might not have been so bad...) He just didn't look good.

All in all, although it was an abysmal game if you just look at the score, I'm not going to throw in the towel. The veterans didn't play well and I think it was just mental exhaustion.

Speaking of exhaustion, I just realized I'm tired.

I'll catch up the prediction game results after I get some sleep...

Tidbit: When we left, we walked out next to Geoff Petrie. Unless I'm mistaken, he wears English Leather cologne.

;)


Good points. The Rockets don't seem to be playing well either. If they are just going through the motions, I'm glad it's now rather than later. But I wonder, as Lamar Odom put it, "are the Kings still hungry?"

[Vlad]

too late.

imagine how bad our D would be with Vlade still playing. We do not have a PG in our team. Absolutely braindead.
Vlade was never a terrible defender... I seem to remember he used to play pretty good defense on shaq back in the day.

[Since93]

We NEED to get back on track soon. I really don't want our guys to let the China trip be an excuse. I hope they are not.

[6th]

Edit: I moved this post to the "Now I'm worried" thread.

[VF21]

We NEED to get back on track soon. I really don't want our guys to let the China trip be an excuse. I hope they are not.
I didn't say the team was using the trip to China as an excuse. While it may be one, I'm quite sure the team won't be using it.