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Bricklayer
12-11-2004, 09:15 PM
Peja ( C- ) -- okay -- what the hell was that? Minnesota is one thing. Do it to him every time. But Indiana? Started out hitting a few shots. But then went ice cold, and it wasn't because of lack of shots -- he was tied for the team lead in the first half with 10. Then in the second half just fell entirely off the map. Was totally out of rhythm, passing up shots he should have taken, taking shots he should have passed, spacing seemd off all night long. Down the stretch reappeared a little bit, but results were decidedly mixed. Got matched up on Fred Jones, who obviously had the tremendous athletic advantage. Got burned, and on one critical play, even rebounded over by Jones. Did grab a couple of rebounds this time out -- 6 tonight. Hardly remarkable except that I think that's his second best total this season -- he helped here and there. Went out at the end of regulation with what seemed to be a charlie horse above the knee.
Webber ( B ) -- looked pretty good physically on the back to back -- actually was probably moving more naturally than he was in the Minnesota game. Teetered on the edge of having a good game all night long, but like the rest of the team was erratic and mistake prone. Picked up his 4th foul on a ticky tack early in the 3rd, but Rick left him out there, and he managed to avoid getting his 5th until late int he game. Problem was that that made him have to be passive on defense and the glass, and Foster in aprticualr took advantage. Down the stretch in the 4th Webb stepped forward and started knocking down big shots, but in the final two minutes and overtime made some shaky plays and forced shots once again. By the end of the game had really filled up the boxscore with 26pts on 50% shooting 10rebs 6ast, but it was not a smooth effort.
Miller ( B ) -- scrappy erratic effort (gee, who would have guessed tonight). Was just getting worked on the boards by Foster for the first 30 minutes, but seemed to finally tire of it in the late third quarter and started to hit the glass aggressively. Got into a running dispute with Dan Crawford, who made a string of terrible calls against the Kings at one point in the 3rd. Made an absolutely atrocious turnover in the last 30 seconds of regulation, but made partial amends by grabbing some big rebounds therafter. Stepped up and hit all the clinching FTs in the final 10 seconds of OT (4 of 4).
Christie ( C+ ) -- a true giventh and taketh away game for Doug. In the first half he was getting his hands on a lot of balls and came up with 3-4 steals. But was also making terrible unforced turnovers all game long, of the "here, let me throw the ball right into the opponent's hands" variety. Made some key passes in the 4th quarter, and hit big FTs late in regulation, and then again late in OT to help secure the victory.
Bibby ( C+ ) -- Got off to a terribe start to this one -- was just fumbling the ball all over the court, LITERALLY dribbling the ball off his own foot etc. very strange. Was also getting punished by Anthony Johsnon and Fred Jones at the defensive end. Came out in the second half and looked much more confident. Started hitting shots, slowed down the TO parade. But still made an inexplicable turnover in the last 5 seconds when he passed up a wide open jumper to win it and instead threw a stupid turnover in the corner trying to hit Doug for some reason. Tried a little too hard to make up for it in OT with some quick shots, but eventually hit a couple of big ones there, and even played some nice defense on Reggie on an attempted 3-ptr to tie it. Gave us another boost on the boards -- getting to almost expect it anymore.
BJax ( C- ) -- started off this one playing like he had had a lobotomy on the plane ride into town. Just stupid, stupid play. Forcing selfish shots. Throwing the ball around randomly. He and Bibby just really stank it up in the first 24 min. When he returned in the second half, he was much better. But it wasn't his usual offensive spark, but rather some intense defense which was his main contribution to our victory tonight. Fouled out on a dumb little touch foul in the opening minute of OT, and we ahd to go with Barnes the rest of the way.
Songaila ( C ) -- had a first half stint. And to tell you how well it went all I have to say is that he never appeared in the second. We were totally out of rhtyhm, and Darius doesn't function well in that sort of environment. Gave us nothing on the boards.
Ostertag ( B- ) -- gave us some pretty good minutes tonight. Helped restore a little order inside, and was working hard on the offensive glass. Was our 4th big man in the first half, but our third int he second half. Might have gotten even more minutes, except Rick elected to gamble and leave Webb in with foul trouble, and just when it seemed putting Tag in to slow down Foster might have been smart, Miller started to board.
Barnes ( C- ) -- short first half stint when he contributed a couple of sloppy fouls (which may or may not have been fouls -- they were off the ball). Then was called upon in OT and kind of more of the same. Did play some solid defense in the extra minutes. But mostly, just did not mess anything up.

Adleman ( B- ) -- we only too obviously did not come out ready to compete tonight. Had a heavy duty T-Wolf hangover (as did the Wolves themselves BTW). Standout coaching moment of the night was when he elected to keep Webb in the game with 4 fouls early in the third. One of those things that could have backfried, but because it worked you tip your cap to him. made the right call as well going with tag over darius in the second half. We needed the size and shotblocking. Called some good plays tonight out of timeouts, but our execution was just terrible. Most of our turnovers were just 100% unforced. This was an ugly ugly victory, but a victory still. Nothing to crow about, but losig it would have been worse still. Hate to give wins away to bad teams (which indiana unquetionably is rihgt now).

Mad D
12-11-2004, 09:18 PM
our 3 guards combined for 15 turnovers..

VF21
12-11-2004, 09:21 PM
Pretty good grades, Brick...

My overall team grade: B- (Look at it like a D student who aces the final exam. I weigh my course pretty heavily in favor of the final outcome.) ;)

Not pretty; not something they should be very proud of but it was a W and they fought to get it.

Bricklayer
12-11-2004, 09:21 PM
our 3 guards combined for 15 turnovers..
U-G-L-Y

VF21
12-11-2004, 09:22 PM
What's with the tape on Bobby's hand, BTW? He looked ready to slip on a boxing glove.

ReinadelosReys
12-11-2004, 09:22 PM
Webber ( B ) -- By the end of the game had really filled up the boxscore with 26pts on 50% shooting 10rebs 6ast, but it was not a smooth effort.
Around my house we call him "Santa" ;) :)

-Was this the first time in the history of Bricklayer grades that no one has garnered a grade higher than a "B" but the Kings still win?

quick dog
12-11-2004, 09:23 PM
How do you explain this stuff? The Bulls beat Minnesota tonight. It must be a breakdown of the ozone layer.

ReinadelosReys
12-11-2004, 09:24 PM
What's with the tape on Bobby's hand, BTW? He looked ready to slip on a boxing glove.

I think from the pre-preseason he sprained his hand then he injured his wrist whatever game it was that he and both Peja hurt their wrists.

bballagrl24
12-11-2004, 09:25 PM
what is a lobotomy? bricklayer mentioned it in bjax's grade

Zyphen
12-11-2004, 09:26 PM
Well, in the end, we won and the wolves lost. Things couldn't have turned out much better than that. I'm surprised Webber was playing so well on a back-to-back. Maybe his leg is getting better.

SacKings384
12-11-2004, 09:30 PM
Here's what happened... Peja gets 8 shots against Minnesota... So he probably feels like he isn't getting the ball back... So what does he do? He tries to do something that just isn't his game at all... Dribbling, fadeaways, jumpers in peoples faces, forcing shots... Then the whole sitting out thing just pissed me off... But the W was a W so I'm happy

Zyphen
12-11-2004, 09:31 PM
Lobotomy is where you smash up the frontal lobe of your brain. This causes you to be somewhat of a vegetable and/or retarded.

LPKingsFan
12-11-2004, 09:33 PM
What was up with everyone passing up the J and turning it over on the last minute pass? That happened countless times, with the same result.

Give Crawford a D-. Usually one of the better refs out there. Seemed to have some sort of vendetta out there, and neither team was happy.

Bricklayer
12-11-2004, 09:33 PM
Lobotomy is where you smash up the frontal lobe of your brain. This causes you to be somewhat of a vegetable and/or retarded.
Actually its a surgical procedure to smash up the front of you brain. :)

used to be used rather barbarically to "cure" various mental disorders

VF21
12-11-2004, 09:34 PM
Here's what happened... Peja gets 8 shots against Minnesota... So he probably feels like he isn't getting the ball back... So what does he do? He tries to do something that just isn't his game at all... Dribbling, fadeaways, jumpers in peoples faces, forcing shots... Then the whole sitting out thing just pissed me off... But the W was a W so I'm happy
Um, what?

VF21
12-11-2004, 09:35 PM
Lobotomy - See "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" with Jack Nicholson

Folsom Al
12-11-2004, 09:36 PM
I can't help myself on this one ... play as a team ... C-minus

Way below average in peformance (especially to a team with 3-starters gone) ....

But, there's something to learn and take out of EVERY GAME ...

Lesson learned in this game ... NEVER UNDER ESTIMATE

SacKings384
12-11-2004, 09:37 PM
Was anyone else pissed off when Reggie ran into the back of Webber, flopped, and got Webbs 5th foul and 2 shots with little time remaining?!

Pacboy
12-11-2004, 09:37 PM
Actually its a surgical procedure to smash up the front of you brain. :)

used to be used rather barbarically to "cure" various mental disorders

yes, it was improve to the transorbital lobotomy, where they stick an ice pick through the skull behind the eyeball and mucking around in there to cure mental disorder.

LMM
12-11-2004, 09:38 PM
Was anyone else pissed off when Reggie ran into the back of Webber, flopped, and got Webbs 5th foul and 2 shots with little time remaining?!
oh god i was so pissed at that!!!!!!!! ugh!!!!

thankfully, we still won the game

Zyphen
12-11-2004, 09:38 PM
Actually its a surgical procedure to smash up the front of you brain. :)

used to be used rather barbarically to "cure" various mental disorders
Hahah, I'd hardly call ramming an ice pick up your nose a surgical procedure but I guess that's what passed for medicine in those days. Amazingly it was no more than a century or so ago.

LMM
12-11-2004, 09:40 PM
i posted this in the PBP thread.. weird night..

all the kings starters scored in double digits.. all had atleast 5 rebs and all, except peja, had atleast 5 assists.. every starter also had atleast *2* TOs and 1 steal

HndsmCelt
12-11-2004, 09:42 PM
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy."

piksi
12-11-2004, 09:44 PM
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy."

Bottle of milk ? :eek:

HndsmCelt
12-11-2004, 09:46 PM
Great Grades... ugly game but a W is a W. Sort of good to see the guys pull off a caper and steal a raod win, sticking in there when things are not workding and gutting out a win anyway.

SacKings384
12-11-2004, 09:52 PM
Um, what?
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I missed when Peja went out, but when I turned it back it said that Peja was done for the game with a bruised thigh... And I see him sitting on the bench with some ice... He missed all OT...

LMM
12-11-2004, 10:08 PM
^^ yeah he did have a bruised quad but your comment sounded like you were pissed at peja for sitting out.. he was hurt, so if he can't go, he can't..

we won, so no harm done, really.. and it's not like he was doing much for us out there anyways..

SacKings384
12-11-2004, 10:16 PM
I woulda preferred him to suck it up... Or at LEAST come in for the free throws... (even though the Kings hit all 4)

VF21
12-11-2004, 10:20 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I missed when Peja went out, but when I turned it back it said that Peja was done for the game with a bruised thigh... And I see him sitting on the bench with some ice... He missed all OT...
He was injured when Fred Jones basically ran over him like he was a piece of carpeting.

You don't tell your premiere shooter to suck it up and risk any problems, especially in a game against the Indiana Pacers in December.

Had you seen Pedja when he tried to get up - twice - and winced with pain, you would have been more than happy for him to sit out the rest of the game.

piksi
12-11-2004, 10:20 PM
I woulda preferred him to suck it up... Or at LEAST come in for the free throws... (even though the Kings hit all 4)

We do not even know how serious it is. If it is what I think it is - with a dead leg there is no way to have any kind of balance. No balance - shaq's free throws routine.

VF21
12-11-2004, 10:39 PM
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy."
I'D RATHER HAVE A BOTTLE IN FRONT OF ME
(Randy Hanzlick)


Jimmy and I were brothers.
We went down different paths.
Jimmy always listened to my mother,
And me, I never like to take a bath.

As we grew and tumbled through adulthood
The pressure caused emotional drain.
So now I'm slowly dying in the bottle
and Jimmy has to live with half a brain.

Yes, me, I've got a bottle in front of me,
And Jimmy has a frontal lobotomy.
Just different ways to kill the pain the same.

But I'd rather have a bottle in front of me,
Than have to have a frontal lobotomy.
I might be drunk, but at least I'm not insane.

Jimmy let his troubles drive him crazy.
He never tried to drown it in a drink.
I know that drinking makes my thinking hazy,
But at least I still have brains enough to think.

Jimmy's got a brain that isn't stable.
He doesn't have the sense to say his name.
I'm sorry that his doctor was unable
To remove the proper portion of his brain.

Yes, me, I've got a bottle in front of me,
And Jimmy has a frontal lobotomy.
Just different ways to kill the pain the same.

But I'd rather have a bottle in front of me,
Than have to have a frontal lobotomy.
I might be drunk, but at least I'm not insane.

Funny how the world works.
People can be real jerks.
Some prefer the tension over booze.

Either way it ends the same.
Hard to beat the living game.
Might as well enjoy it while you lose.

When I need a drink I start to shiver
And Jimmy always viewed it with concern.
But I'd rather have cirrhosis of the liver
Than an intellect that's second to a fern.

I wonder if old Jimmy's gonna hear it
When I tell him that his logic wasn't sound.
They'll dose him up on lots of evil spirits
When they take him to the psychiatric grounds.

Yes, me, I've got a bottle in front of me,
And Jimmy has a frontal lobotomy.
Just different ways to kill the pain the same.

But I'd rather have a bottle in front of me,
Than have to have a frontal lobotomy.
I might be drunk, but at least I'm not insane.
I might be drunk, but at least I'm not insane!

fishgirl
12-12-2004, 12:51 AM
He was injured when Fred Jones basically ran over him like he was a piece of carpeting.

You don't tell your premiere shooter to suck it up and risk any problems, especially in a game against the Indiana Pacers in December.

Had you seen Pedja when he tried to get up - twice - and winced with pain, you would have been more than happy for him to sit out the rest of the game.
I definitely agree... I was up from my seat when I saw Peja fall (and wince) and kept my eye on him after the time out until the end of regulation just to see if he was moving well or any at all. I was worried to see him sitting during the OT, but felt good that they didn't make him push himself too much. I mean, if he was already hurting, he was already sucking it up until the end of the fourth. Didn't need to risk it even more by playing an additional 5 mins. Good decision, I think.

slugking50
12-12-2004, 12:56 AM
A W is a W right?.... Ugh sorta...


...What a frustrating game to watch.... Out team seems to be in a funk. Yes we won but we should've easily beat the Pacers by 15. Maybe we arent good enough. Sure looks like it at this point...


I have to be honest... I do question whether Peja wasn't able to go. Pejas is a bit of a wimp (Pro Athlete wise) especially when he gets an ouchie. He need to dig inside and find the Wizard within himself cause his play of late isnt cutting it.

webberfan
12-12-2004, 01:28 AM
Well, in the end, we won and the wolves lost. Things couldn't have turned out much better than that. I'm surprised Webber was playing so well on a back-to-back. Maybe his leg is getting better.
i'd rather have us win and the wolves lose yesterday, but i'll take this one. :)

Evenstar
12-12-2004, 02:01 AM
Lobotomy - See "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" with Jack Nicholson
oh gawd that was a horrible movie!!! the book was *SO* much better. so kids, read the book :D

back to the kings....

good to see the kings win, even if it took them OT to do it. whatever, a W is a W and i LMAO when i saw that the BULLS beat the woofs. THE BULLS!!!! i hope peja isn' hurt too bad. maybe it would be good for him to miss a game, maybe it would be good to have a mental break for a little while becuase his stats sure weren't pretty. no free throw attempts AGAIN?!?!?! come on man you are KILLING me. get that butt in the paint!!! get your butt to that line becuase it's automatic points for you mr free throw best at it. ( LOL that's really bad english hehehehe. oh man it's late!)

foster had freaking 12 offensive boards :eek: 24 turnovers for the kings :eek:


ah well WE WON!!! WOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO

VF21
12-12-2004, 04:02 PM
Going into last night's game, the Kings were leading the league in fewest turnovers. That's a good thing. Then, last night they couldn't seem to hold onto the ball or keep their focus and committed 24 turnovers. That's a bad thing. BUT - and this is important to me, at least - despite the abysmal turnovers, they sucked it up and they won!

That is what's truly important. It was a horrible performance and yet, when push came to shove, they got the job done.

And - for the record - even Grant is now beginning to make a comment when Webber gives "the look." Webb does that and the entire team seems to get energy from it.

Evenstar
12-12-2004, 04:50 PM
And - for the record - even Grant is now beginning to make a comment when Webber gives "the look." Webb does that and the entire team seems to get energy from it.
NICE!!!!! i LOVE " the look" :D

iheartBrad
12-12-2004, 06:12 PM
i would of given DC a better grade

but other than than that...good grades

Evenstar
12-13-2004, 12:21 AM
hahah NICE slim!!!

i miss that "hooray beer" guy.